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#1 2015-08-06 10:44:55

AlexS7320
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No boot after installation - Macbook Pro 1.1 Intel Duo Core 2006

Hey,
lubuntu shuts down to much.
Crunchbang should manage it, but it doesnt boot [after installation] (folder with ? -macbook).
Read it can be solved by adjusting to BIOS ?! or smth like that ...

Some help here would  be awesome smile

EDIT:
After reading about installing  rEFIt from Mac OS X, i tried using the mac os x install cd. But it wouldnt find proper partition. Disk Utilites of the os x shows a 3.6 TB drive instead of 500GB and gives errors on processing them...
Now macbook pro shows a globe as start up and Live CD of Lubuntu cant run live session even due to Kernel related error...   sad

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#2 2015-08-07 06:13:44

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Re: No boot after installation - Macbook Pro 1.1 Intel Duo Core 2006

how did you miss the fact that crunchbang is dead, end of life, fini?

install the bunsenlabs alpha2 instead (the guys are so humble calling it alpha2, from what i hear it's pretty stable).

and then we would need more information, if you still have problems.

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#3 2015-08-07 09:07:38

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Re: No boot after installation - Macbook Pro 1.1 Intel Duo Core 2006

-Installed Crunchbang11 ... can not boot (by what i heard its connected to grub beeing installed)
-MacOS X finds wrong info on drive, Disk Utilities gives error
-Lubuntu Live session failed ... shut down
-Crunchbang Live Session runs !!!! Crunchbang Install will find drive! sees ext4 it made. Can cut more ext4 pieces, but wont do anything more i guess....

How can i recover my hdd? then ill go for the alpha2
[running gparted from CB live session, asked for partition table]edit
[Solus Alpha project is only available for 64bit machines]

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#4 2015-08-07 10:50:14

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Re: No boot after installation - Macbook Pro 1.1 Intel Duo Core 2006

neither gparted in CB live session nor CB install will give a formating.

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#5 2015-08-07 14:22:54

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Re: No boot after installation - Macbook Pro 1.1 Intel Duo Core 2006

i see.
maybe it's a mac-specific thing.
can't be efi on a 2006 machine?

you want to dual boot with os x?

there's a thread "#! on macbook".

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#6 2015-08-07 18:16:17

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Re: No boot after installation - Macbook Pro 1.1 Intel Duo Core 2006

no dual boot pls.

can you please tell me any way to sweep my disk again?

Disk Utilities like Gparted and Testdisk find 465GB after CB.
Those 465GB are not usable. How can i get the 35GB back? They are not detected...

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#7 2015-08-08 18:56:13

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Re: No boot after installation - Macbook Pro 1.1 Intel Duo Core 2006

AlexS7320 wrote:

no dual boot pls.

can you please tell me any way to sweep my disk again?

Disk Utilities like Gparted and Testdisk find 465GB after CB.
Those 465GB are not usable. How can i get the 35GB back? They are not detected...

If you just want to format the entire disk, first boot to #! live, find out the disk name (assuming that is /dev/sda) then

sudo mkfs.vfat -I /dev/sda
ohnonot wrote:

install the bunsenlabs alpha2 instead (the guys are so humble calling it alpha2, from what i hear it's pretty stable).

I think they still call it Alpha 'cuz it's still in devel, so not nessessary to be buggy or breaky.

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#8 2015-08-09 08:40:00

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Re: No boot after installation - Macbook Pro 1.1 Intel Duo Core 2006

^ i don't think you can write a filesystem to an entire disk (/dev/sda), but have to write it to a partition instead (/dev/sda1).

when i want to completely wipe a disk ("nuke" it) - i usually use the dd method.
s, first find out which disk you want to wipe:

sudo fdisk -l

- and since you want to wipe the entire disk, not just a partition, it shouldn't have a number in the end.
then:

sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/XXX

where XXX is what you found with fdisk.
You can leave this running until the end (many hours...), so it will zero out the entire hard drive, or just for a minute or so - to make sure it wipes the MBR, thus making all data on the disk unusable.

added benefit: if you had some sort of bootlogger virus, it will be gone, too.

after that, i install my whatever linux and the installer (person or program) takes care of partitioning.


cnx wrote:

I think they still call it Alpha 'cuz it's still in devel, so not nessessary to be buggy or breaky.

hhh wrote:

I've named these ISOs "alpha2" out of caution but I believe they are rock-solid stable. Please feel free post your feedback and any issues you have here (we'll split support issues off to their own threads as necessary).

please refer to this thread.

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#9 2015-08-09 10:41:57

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Re: No boot after installation - Macbook Pro 1.1 Intel Duo Core 2006

Well, @ohnonot, I can't understand why do you format a disk by writing some random data on it - that would takes hours to get done when that is unnecessary (unless you need to make the ole data unrecoverable). About the mkfs, I guarantee that it will always work (with the -I option, of course). It'll neither wipe out anything nor create a partition table for normal use, but since the installa will re-partion the whole things, that doesn't matter (keep in mind that partman - the patitioning tool in Debian installa - won't wipe out anything either).

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#10 2015-08-09 10:53:50

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Re: No boot after installation - Macbook Pro 1.1 Intel Duo Core 2006

man mkfs.vfat wrote:

       -I  It  is  typical  for  fixed  disk  devices to be partitioned so, by
           default, you are not permitted to create a  filesystem  across  the
           entire  device. mkfs.fat will complain and tell you that it refuses
           to work. This is different when using MO disks. One doesn't  always
           need  partitions on MO disks. The filesystem can go directly to the
           whole disk. Under other OSes this is  known  as  the  'superfloppy'
           format. This switch will force mkfs.fat to work properly.

you really don't want to use this on a 500GB internal hard drive!!!


dear OP, if you're still around:
wipe your hard drive, and then format it to e.g. ext4. do not format an internal hard drive to one giant FAT partition!!!



ps:
yes, it is a good idea to wipe the mbr before installing, because reasons above.
no, you don't have to wait until dd finishes zeroing out the whole hard drive.
and if you have a problem with pressing "Ctrl+C", you can also do it like this:

sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/XXX bs=1M count=10

this will wipe the first 10MB of your hard drive. that is more than enough to nuke the MBR and make all data unusable (except with some low-level recovery tool). shouldn't take more than 2 seconds.

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#11 2015-08-09 12:48:49

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Re: No boot after installation - Macbook Pro 1.1 Intel Duo Core 2006

crunchbang@crunchbang:~$ sudo mkfs.vfat -I /dev/sda
mkfs.vfat 3.0.13 (30 Jun 2012)

crunchbang@crunchbang:~$ 
crunchbang@crunchbang:~$ sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda

...doesnt do anything.
The problem is i, can access 465 instead of 500gb
[btw i used the i486 not i6xx, because 486 matched my machine, but maybe that was the download for "old computers"]

crunchbang@crunchbang:~$ sudo fdisk -l

Disk /dev/sda: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders, total 976773168 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x00000000

Disk /dev/sda doesn't contain a valid partition table
crunchbang@crunchbang:~$ sudo fdisk /dev/sda
Device contains neither a valid DOS partition table, nor Sun, SGI or OSF disklabel
Building a new DOS disklabel with disk identifier 0x66782d70.
Changes will remain in memory only, until you decide to write them.
After that, of course, the previous content won't be recoverable.

Warning: invalid flag 0x0000 of partition table 4 will be corrected by w(rite)

The device presents a logical sector size that is smaller than
the physical sector size. Aligning to a physical sector (or optimal
I/O) size boundary is recommended, or performance may be impacted.

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#12 2015-08-09 13:41:07

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Re: No boot after installation - Macbook Pro 1.1 Intel Duo Core 2006

ohnonot wrote:

you really don't want to use this on a 500GB internal hard drive!!!

dear OP, if you're still around:
wipe your hard drive, and then format it to e.g. ext4. do not format an internal hard drive to one giant FAT partition!!!

I told the OP to use mkfs because it would help him/her remove the old (and some-how unreadable) table. FS type is not sth you should care about 'cuz you're gonna repartition the hard drive later in the installation process, it could be ext4, ext2, fat32, or even ntfs (I'm just kidding, nobody like ntfs), but I chose fat because mkfs.vfat run fastest. More importantly, it is because we're not going to use the newly created file system, because rarely a distro allow us to install anything directly on MBR.

Then I realized that we're all talking nonsense as partman can actually can do it in the installation. If I remember all correctly, after go to manual partitioning, you just only need to choose the hard drive (it'd be  sth like /dev/xyz), choose to erase the whole disk, create a new partition table, then you can create partitions for installation.

AlexS7320 wrote:
crunchbang@crunchbang:~$ sudo mkfs.vfat -I /dev/sda
mkfs.vfat 3.0.13 (30 Jun 2012)

crunchbang@crunchbang:~$ 
crunchbang@crunchbang:~$ sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda

...doesnt do anything.
The problem is i, can access 465 instead of 500gb

crunchbang@crunchbang:~$ sudo fdisk -l

Disk /dev/sda: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders, total 976773168 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x00000000

Disk /dev/sda doesn't contain a valid partition table

What do you mean by 'doesn't do anything'? Now your hard drive is a solid 500 GB partition. I mean, man, what have you expected? And please note that 500 GB equal to about 465 GiB (465.661287308, to be exact). GB (gigabyte) and GiB (gibibyte) are different units (read more on Wikipedia).

After formating the hard drive, you should begin to install your OS just like how you did that before.

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#13 2015-08-09 15:16:04

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Re: No boot after installation - Macbook Pro 1.1 Intel Duo Core 2006

crunchbang@crunchbang:~$ sudo mkfs.vfat -I /dev/sda
mkfs.vfat 3.0.13 (30 Jun 2012)

crunchbang@crunchbang:~$ 
crunchbang@crunchbang:~$ sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda

those commands took no time, thats why i think they dont do anything.
Mac OS X still finds a 3.6TB drive which it cant process, Lubuntu still crashes on initialization.

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#14 2015-08-12 19:19:05

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Re: No boot after installation - Macbook Pro 1.1 Intel Duo Core 2006

Hey there,
did this now:
sudo shred -n 3 -v /dev/sda

it did shred for a day the whole drive.

But still, installation CDs of Linux Crash and MacOSX sees a 3.6 tb drive.

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#15 2015-08-13 06:47:24

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Re: No boot after installation - Macbook Pro 1.1 Intel Duo Core 2006

i re-read the whole thread, but i'm still not 100% sure what your problem is.

1) you want to install linux, and linux only on your macbook
2) something (?) went wrong with the hard drive (?), and nothing installs

now, before we proceed with the installing bit, can you boot any linux live medium?

- if yes, please open a terminal and enter the command

sudo fdisk -l

, and copy-paste the complete terminal output here.

- if no, it must be bios related, so go into your bios and allow it to boot from usb (legacy?)

- if your machine uses EFI, i can't help with that bit but i hear one has to switch secure boot off.

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#16 2015-08-13 08:04:36

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Re: No boot after installation - Macbook Pro 1.1 Intel Duo Core 2006

See,
Linux Mint KDE on this Laptop was too heavy.
Ubuntu was fine.
Lubuntu has those videocard (most probably) issues and shuts down too frequently.
Crunchbang didnt boot after installation.

Since then i tweaked the disk.
As far as i understood GRUB loader installed in macbook is not good~

Boot from USB is not possible with macbook unless there is `refine`... if i had cared about installing refine to this machine via MacOsX, i would have installed CB through refine + save grub loader on usb instead of disk.

So maybe its the bios, or whatever a macbook is dealing with.... since Lubuntu once said something like Kernel Panic (after CBinstall) and MacOsX sees no disk after disk dd 0, shred and multiple testdisk/fdisk /dev/sda/mkfat ...

CB live medium works. Knoppix shuts down after i make any move and elementary os once reached desktop but mostly shuts down on the boot cd.

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#17 2015-08-13 20:02:09

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Re: No boot after installation - Macbook Pro 1.1 Intel Duo Core 2006

Core duo cpu would make this a 32 bit machine, requiring an i386 build???

It's rEFInd btw.

See this guy's journey:
https://astrofloyd.wordpress.com/2014/0 … ng-refind/

Though I'd be temped to give a debian jessie 32bit net install a try on this before anything else, I suspect (I don't know) it'll handle the bootloading stuff. If successful you could then do a bunsenlabs net install.  https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/

Jessie boots a gen 1 mac pro for me (which is a frankenstein 32 bit bootloader on a 64bit machine)... now sporting a shiny bunsenlabs desktop.

I'm not an expert btw, just reporting what worked for me on old mac hardware.

Red

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#18 2015-08-14 18:35:07

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Re: No boot after installation - Macbook Pro 1.1 Intel Duo Core 2006

Your old Mac is 64 bit. The mac here is 32bit and i think its i486. Thought the systems are downgradeable anyway.

You mean debian jessie 32bit won`t crash cause its bootloader is familiar with the previous #! installation?

Thanks for the respond, links and oppinion. How does a net install work?

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#19 2015-08-14 19:18:11

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Re: No boot after installation - Macbook Pro 1.1 Intel Duo Core 2006

No, A net install via the debian 8  'jessie' 32 bit i386 netinstall iso:
https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/

Not sure where your i486 thing comes from. To quote the debian ports list:
"32-bit PC (i386)    The first architecture, and not strictly a port. Linux was originally developed for the Intel 386 processors, hence the short name. Debian supports all IA-32 processors, made by Intel (including all Pentium series and recent Core Duo machines in 32-bit mode), AMD (K6, all Athlon series, Athlon64 series in 32-bit mode), Cyrix and other manufacturers."

I read jessie is more capable of booting weird 32 bit machines (and yes, some of these old macs are weird 32 bit machines), which is why I suggest trying.

If this machine has nothing useful on it you have nothing to lose by trying, do you?

Red

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#20 2015-08-15 11:32:38

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Re: No boot after installation - Macbook Pro 1.1 Intel Duo Core 2006

the jessie net install cd gets stuck when asking for boot option 1. or 2. ....
The boot options dont have any descriptions and the cursor blinks like the speed is a multiple. The keyboard didnt respond.

Tried pressing ALT which lead to me picking the cd as boot option, that way i could hammer number 1 before the keyboard stoped responding, but not ENTER.


Tried putting in the Knoppix DVD. Then i went to  install it in flash but picked my disk.
But it gives "error no configuration file or config setting, no default or U configuration setting...

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#21 2015-08-15 15:45:02

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Re: No boot after installation - Macbook Pro 1.1 Intel Duo Core 2006

Hmmmm,

Are you seeing the startup manager after turning on your mac?

"Turn on or restart your Mac.
Immediately press and hold the Option key. After a few seconds, the Startup Manager appears. If you don't see the volume you want to use, wait a few moments for Startup Manager to finish scanning connected drives.
Use your mouse or trackpad, or left and right arrow keys to select the volume you want to use.
Double-click or press the Return key to start up your Mac from the volume you selected."
https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204417

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#22 2015-08-24 08:40:24

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Re: No boot after installation - Macbook Pro 1.1 Intel Duo Core 2006

The ALT key is the Option key. Tried that...

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#23 2015-09-23 19:12:34

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Re: No boot after installation - Macbook Pro 1.1 Intel Duo Core 2006

http://dropcanvas.com/xr0fz/1
http://dropcanvas.com/xr0fz/2
Still no way found to boot again...
those pics might hopefully give hint hmm

...will try alternative install of ubuntu now

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#24 2015-09-24 04:24:16

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Re: No boot after installation - Macbook Pro 1.1 Intel Duo Core 2006

the first screenshot looks like you're getting pretty far along the way: the last line already talks about the X server. does it hang there?
in that case you should make a non-graphical install first and work up from there.

i don't understand the second screenshot.
how does it relate to the first? are those the same operating systems? does the boot process hang at the point you took the picture?

on a more general note, i find the way you are presenting the information a little confusing; you don't go into detail very much, don't answer questions directly, and i'm still not 100% sure what your problem is. can you boot a live usb or not?

i think you're also trying too many different distros - maybe you're hoping that one of them just magically installs. maybe it will, but to us it is very confusing.

skimming the blog post redcollective linked, it seems to me that dealing with refind is the first step. how's that going?

please read this article on how to structure your help requests.
(people usually get emotional at this point. i don't understand why, i think the article is perfectly reasonable. we are just trying to help, so please don't)

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