RELEASED: BunsenLabs 8.1 (Hydrogen) Live ISO 32 & 64 bit (alpha2)

porkpiehat · 2015-07-12 20:48:12

slchan wrote:

It is a tough question; Would you create BunsenLabs--distro, website and a dedicated forum--or babysit a dead distro?

Not a tough question at all. Bunsen is a creation of some Crunchbang users, and is hosted and helped by the Crunchbang forum. It may or may not get a dedicated website and forum when those users decide it is necessary. Until (and if) that happens I see no issue with Bunsen continuing on the Crunchbang forum, nor does anyone except you.

hhh · 2015-07-12 20:51:35

slchan wrote:

So, would you guys go about creating BunsenLabs on Jessie, and later on Stretch, or go on babysitting a dead or dying distro?

BunsenLabs Hydrogen is based on Debian 8.1 (jessie).

Although we've been working on this since the end of CrunchBang was announced, we are just getting off the ground. You've posted your suggestion, twice now. I answered that it's not a priority to launch our own website at the moment, our priority is making sure the ISOs work well. Even if the #! forums went down tomorrow, nothing would change as our development is taking place on our GitHub repository.

The whole discussion of our goals is an ongoing one. Feel free to open another thread if you want to discuss a website, but please don't evangelize in this thread anymore. Thanks.

porkpiehat · 2015-07-12 21:19:38

Works well live here.

Thank you for including a non-pae kernel. Just a thought -- machines that need a non-pae kernel (mostly Pentium M laptops) are often not able to boot from USB, so those are the ones that need a CD-sized ISO the most. If there is no other way to reduce the 32-bit iso make it fit on a CD, I'd lose the pae kernel and only ship with 586. Maybe add an option to the menu to install the pae kernel later, for those who think they need it.

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MartinRF · 2015-07-12 21:31:59

Just came home (been out sailing), downloading as we speak.

/Martin

Sector11 · 2015-07-12 21:55:10

slchan = banned! For those that have been here a while check it out. If you have comments put them over there, not here.

Note to all if you notice new users 'trolling', please, please use the report button.
Thank you to the user who reported this user (name withheld to protect the guil innocent)

KrunchTime · 2015-07-13 00:36:49

Great news and a big thank you to everyone involved in getting BunsenLabs to the point that it's at. High fives and hugs from KrunchTime.

Will the BL netinstall script continue to be supported?

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johnraff · 2015-07-13 02:59:52

KrunchTime wrote:

Will the BL netinstall script continue to be supported?

Yes. It's a parallel route, along with the iso, or direct install of debs from twoion's repo.

Soon the netinstall script will become much simpler and faster as it will be able to access the online deb files instead of building them itself from github. The github build script could still exist for people who want to install the latest packages from the start, but many people will find it simpler to install from the iso or the deb repo and then run 'upgrade-bunsen-pkgs -u' . Hopefully, however, as the bunsen packages settle down, it will become increasingly unnecessary to do even that.

btw

porkpiehat wrote:

machines that need a non-pae kernel (mostly Pentium M laptops) are often not able to boot from USB, so those are the ones that need a CD-sized ISO the most.

Indeed.

hhh · 2015-07-13 03:02:12

porkpiehat wrote:

Maybe add an option to the menu to install the pae kernel later, for those who think they need it.

I had the same thought when I realized the 64 bit build was smaller because it had one kernel.

I've made this suggestion to the team, I think it would be very cool to have our ISOs fit on a CD and use the Welcome script and right-click menu to install software that old skool #! users might miss. If anyone is passionate about this one way or the other (CD sized ISO or ISO with a bunch of software pre-installed), please open another thread to discuss it in.

smacz · 2015-07-13 04:36:06

Great to see this rolling out so soon! Keep up the great work Devs! Will be seeding for as long as this is current.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2015-07-13 06:29:38

Great work team!

The only problem I can see so far is that the ISO image in non-EFI

Will there be a UEFI-compatible version or are you relying on the netinstall+script option for that use case?

KrunchTime · 2015-07-13 09:20:40

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

The only problem I can see so far is that the ISO image in non-EFI

Another reason to go the netinstall route.

spacex · 2015-07-13 11:20:53

KrunchTime wrote:

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
The only problem I can see so far is that the ISO image in non-EFI
Another reason to go the netinstall route.

But it's really easy to workaround. The long and tricky uefi-guides is scary for some. But I have a very easy way to do it. No cli-experience needed.

DISCLAIMER: NO GUARANTEES, but it works for me. YOU may BLOW up your computer!!!

1. Install any kind of Debian install in uefi-mode. Let the efi partition be sda1, but reserve partitition 2 for Bunsen or whatever. Put Debian below in the chain, so you can remove it later.

2. After successfully created a Debian uefi-install, then install Hydrogen as normal, write grub to PARTITION.

3. Reboot and run sudo update-grub in the Debian-install you created in point 1.

4. Now reboot, and boot into Bunsen. Add something like this to fstab: (Of course replace it with your UUID)

 /boot/efi was on /dev/sda1 during installation
UUID=9977-5E48  /boot/efi       vfat    umask=0077      0       1

5. Now then, reboot into Bunsen once again, but this time the efi-partition will be mounted.

Open a terminal, run

sudo apt-get install grub-efi

Let it replace grub-pc, just accept and go for it.

Then,

 sudo grub-install /dev/sda

update-grub should automatically be run in the previous step, if not, do it manually.

That should be it..., reboot, and Bunsen should now be in charge of the uefi-boot. The Debian Bootloader is still there. Remove it if you want to, but it doesn't hurt if it only sleeps in the efi-partition.

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rumpel · 2015-07-13 13:40:04

Just a quick question (didn't have the opportunity to test it out yet): is the easy encrypt whole system option avaliable in the installer of the .iso?

Also great job on the BL distro! Happy to install it soon once I get a new external HDD for the data back up.

MsMattie · 2015-07-13 14:23:33

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

The only problem I can see so far is that the ISO image in non-EFI
Will there be a UEFI-compatible version or are you relying on the netinstall+script option for that use case?

So, to install Bunsenlabs on a UEFI i7 desktop I cannot use the .iso? I will have to go the netinstall route?

twoion · 2015-07-13 14:41:55

KrunchTime wrote:

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
The only problem I can see so far is that the ISO image in non-EFI
Another reason to go the netinstall route.

We are currently looking into how to configure an EFI-enabled bootloader for the live images. HoaS is making a very good point; EFI should definitely be supported.

MsMattie · 2015-07-13 14:47:41

twoion wrote:

We are currently looking into how to configure an EFI-enabled bootloader for the live images. HoaS is making a very good point; EFI should definitely be supported.

Good. In the meantime will the Debian-BL netinstall procedure work for a pc with UEFI?

damo · 2015-07-13 14:59:49

MsMattie wrote:

Good. In the meantime will the Debian-BL netinstall procedure work for a pc with UEFI?

See spacex's post ^

twoion · 2015-07-13 15:02:18

MsMattie wrote:

twoion wrote:
We are currently looking into how to configure an EFI-enabled bootloader for the live images. HoaS is making a very good point; EFI should definitely be supported.
Good. In the meantime will the Debian-BL netinstall procedure work for a pc with UEFI?

Yes, if you use the multiarch netinstall CD/DVD on a x86_64 system (required due to EFI being always 32bit) or a regular 32bit or multiarch netinstall on a x86 system. EFI is supported by Debian netinstalls.

Before kicking off the netinstall script, you will walk through the regular Debian installer and as part of that processes be also given the choice of a BIOS/MBR- or EFI/GPT-based system.

MsMattie · 2015-07-13 15:07:06

Thanks. I'll just wait, as this is getting beyond my easily attained skill level.

spacex · 2015-07-13 15:50:30

@twoion

I guess they are working with it for live-build. Here you see the response I got when I asked them about uefi for live-build:

It's on my todo list. I started implementing it a few months back, and
got a very messy set of working code implemented, but I haven't gotten
around to finishing it yet, I've had a lot of other things to work on.
I don't know if/when I'll finish it; perhaps sometime over the next
several weeks when I should hopefully be finished with the things that
I've been working on in the mean time.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2015-07-13 17:37:44

@spacex -- I don't use GRUB for UEFI booting.

I much prefer direct booting of the kernel using it's CONFIG_EFI_STUB capability

I can write up a tutorial on how to convert a non-EFI BunsenLabs system to pure EFISTUB booting if there is any demand.

EDIT: At any rate, I would prefer a live ISO using UEFI 'cos then I can use it for my internet banking.

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Head_on_a_Stick · 2015-07-13 17:41:32

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

I can write up a tutorial on how to convert a non-EFI BunsenLabs system to pure EFISTUB booting if there is any demand.

Silly me...

I forgot about this:
http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=39256

hhh · 2015-07-13 17:55:46

rumpel wrote:

Just a quick question (didn't have the opportunity to test it out yet): is the easy encrypt whole system option avaliable in the installer of the .iso?

We're using the Debian installer, currently with almost no customizations. So yes, the options are available during the partitioning section of the installer. See section 4.2.13.5. Setting Up Encrypted Partitions for more info...
https://debian-handbook.info/browse/sta … steps.html

re: UEFI, I don't have any UEFI hardware or experience with it. This discussion needs it's own thread it's complicated. And thanks for linking that last thread, HoaS.

rumpel · 2015-07-13 18:40:13

Thanks hhh, that's awesome!

LabRat · 2015-07-13 18:49:27

Wow!

Been away for a few days and look what happens.. lol

Congratulations AND thank you to hhh and everyone involved! I'll download tomorrow and seed continually.

CrunchBang Linux

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