Should there be a music player in Hydrogen?

KrunchTime · 2015-03-31 21:13:15

Well, I don't use nano, so MOC probably would feel foreign to me. I'm not saying I couldn't figure it out, but there's too many nice GUI music players, so why bother? I'm not a minimalism purist for some things.

boromeus · 2015-04-01 03:05:29

If any, I'm for Audacious. VLC and I are not good friends recently, mostly because of playlists.

There is a great wow!-factor in Audacious for novice "nixers" (copyright CBiz), cause it can look totally like Winamp which is the default choice of millions of people on Windows. It's kind of ugly, but users are emotionally attached to it, I believe.

Seriously: I know a bunch of neckbeards who have an orgasm every time they see that someone else is also using Winamp... or at least something that looks like Winamp.

damo · 2015-04-01 03:41:20

FWIW I'm doing a multimedia pipemenu atm - see this thread

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Unia · 2015-04-01 11:21:55

KrunchTime wrote:

I'm not a minimalism purist for some things.

Blasphemy! ]:D

hhh · 2015-04-01 15:44:41

Oouch, Krunch got BURNED! 8o

pvsage · 2015-04-01 17:44:30

boromeus wrote:

If any, I'm for Audacious. VLC and I are not good friends recently, mostly because of playlists.
There is a great wow!-factor in Audacious for novice "nixers" (copyright CBiz), cause it can look totally like Winamp which is the default choice of millions of people on Windows. It's kind of ugly, but users are emotionally attached to it, I believe.
Seriously: I know a bunch of neckbeards who have an orgasm every time they see that someone else is also using Winamp... or at least something that looks like Winamp.

In the few times I've installed Audacious, I have not been dissapoint. If there is to be a dedicated media player in Hydrogen, Audacious is a reasonable choice. (Note my commitment to being non-committal. O:) )

I was actually quite fond of Winamp 2.x, and I like both the Audacious Winamp-like interface and its gtk+ interface.

hhh · 2015-04-01 18:17:16

pvsage wrote:

If there is to be a dedicated media player in Hydrogen, Audacious is a reasonable choice.

+1, it's pretty small with not many dependencies, it's configurable and it does gapless playback well.

Posting this triggered a memory, though. 4 years ago I was very fond of decibel-audio-player. v.1.06 is available in jessie and sid, I'ma take it fo' a spin...

porkpiehat · 2015-04-01 21:23:23

+1 for audacious -- if you need a gui music player, it is one of the lightest out there. There is a reason why it is default in most LXDE distros.

twoion · 2015-04-01 22:25:28

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

I vote for mpd with one of the many mpd-clients as the controller (I like ncmpc).
It's the lightest and the best-sounding of all the player options.

I second mpd and a client, ncmpcpp (terminal) and a graphical client (I don't use one). It's very simple to configure, there is a myriad of very good clients, it supports ALSA as well as PULSE (and a bunch of other playback things). Streaming over the network is of course part of the package, too.

Picture: ncmpcpp in action.

ohnonot · 2015-04-02 05:58:27

...it makes sense since mpd is slightly less than trivial to set up, so good if it's already there on the install disk.
and people can still choose whichever client floats their boat (gmpc is quite nice, too).

smacz · 2015-04-02 06:12:04

damo wrote:

FWIW I'm doing a multimedia pipemenu atm - see this thread

And there's a lot more that just music players that we're discussing!

But as far as the music players go, audacious seems to be popular, and is so far to be included in the scripts damo is putting together.

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johnraff · 2015-04-03 02:43:22

ohnonot wrote:

...it makes sense since mpd is slightly less than trivial to set up, so good if it's already there on the install disk.

This is a good point. Rather than apps which would be a simple apt-get-and-go, for pipemenus or bl-welcome we might be thinking of those that come with an unhelpful default configuration or need a bit of setting up that a script can help with.

pvsage · 2015-04-03 17:13:28

OK, so the choices are:
1. No, VLC is adequate as a general-purpose media player for a Live ISO.
2. Yes, and that should be Audacious.
3. Yes; Hydrogen should come with mpd properly configured for use with whatever front-end the user wishes to use.

If 3, then which front-end should come with the Live ISO? I'd expect an Ncurses front-end such as ncmpc or ncmpcpp to have as many haters as CMus or MOC. Is Sonata acceptable?

hhh · 2015-04-03 18:07:59

I don't think the front-end is going to be the major problem...
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mu … figuration
http://www.musicpd.org/doc/user/
http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=182574
http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/howto/mpd

And my favorite...
http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=15278&p=1
http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic. … 49#p150349

Option 1, and let the users decide what other levels of pain they want to enter!

Sector11 · 2015-04-03 18:15:13

Option 1 - and let it run .. I don't like pain a bruise easily! ]:D

spacex · 2015-04-03 19:41:58

Option1, but personally I don't even feel that VLC is necessary on a live-cd. Dropping VLC helps quite a bit to get the image below 700 MB. Not that it matters to me, I only use usb-sticks. But I guess there are still pc's around that doesn't boot from usb.

nicholasalipaz · 2015-04-04 00:54:48

pvsage wrote:

...The more I think about this, the more I see the choice of a dedicated music player is rather more personal than it would appear at first blush....

I agree and think it should be left to the user to decide. On my computer, I don't have an official music player per se. I use my plex media center and I have a google chrome desktop shortcut that opens the media center like it is it's own app.

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johnraff · 2015-04-04 02:29:26

#1

VLC is a bit chubby, but there should be something and it's a good general purpose app.

damo · 2015-04-04 06:25:30

johnraff wrote:

#1
VLC is a bit chubby, but there should be something and it's a good general purpose app.

I agree

pvsage · 2015-04-04 15:48:33

If we have both CD-sized and USB/DVD-sized Live Images (I suppose we could call them "standard edition" and "bloat edition"), would it make sense to have mpd + Sonata (along with GIMP and possibly Libre Office) on the latter? I think part of the reason corenominal included GIMP on all CrunchBang releases despite calls for its removal was because he wanted CrunchBang to be a usable "production system" running as a Live system, and he considers GIMP a necessary part of a production system; I can understand that other users might consider a music player necessary on a production system. It's been a long time since I've seen any Flash media smaller than 4GB, but even if we limit the "bloat edition" to 2GB, that's still plenty of room for many utilities that you or I might not be interested in, but that somebody else might consider essential for a "production system".

smacz · 2015-04-04 17:21:45

^ +1

Having fully-featured live images makes it easy for me to demo distros to interested people, or work on a stubborn computer. (I prefer #! to Knoppix for that purpose...)

boromeus · 2015-04-05 22:13:12

On the live CD there should be a simple GUI tool to open the 15-20 most common file formats. I'm not sure about the order, but .mp3 and .avi are surely on the list as well as .pdf and .doc - therefore Hydrogene live CD should include mupdf and abiword too. If it's possible.

pvsage · 2015-04-06 07:31:20

A PDF viewer - most likely Evince - will be on both the "standard" and "bloat" images. Abiword will definitely not; it just has too many rendering problems right now. (Most likely these rendering problems are in the open source video drivers, not in Abiword, but so far Abiword and Iceweasel are the only major applications I've seen affected by them, and Abiword is hit hard by them, to the point of being unusable on my machine.)

smacz · 2015-04-06 07:52:20

@boromeus Do you mean Thunar?

pingu · 2015-04-06 14:58:28

My experience with music players is a bit peculiar.
vlc sounds like crap (good for movies, bad for music, and I coundn't find a way to make my cds sound like they do when played from a cdplayer).

Alsaplayer is cool, but if started from X, either in text mode or gtk, it freezes X (mouse, keyboard, all gone, so you'll have to poweroff by force of thumb) when it finishes playing an audio disc (doesn't happen if ran from tty). This happened in arch and gentoo, so I assume it's their bug.

mpv and mplayer had problems accessing cache (I have no idea why or what that even means) and skips cd playback every couple of seconds, great sound though, and good for videos. (this also happened in both arch and gentoo installs--arch has pulse, gentoo just alsa)

maybe playing audio disks is a thing of the past...

I ended up with deadbeef being the only one I found that actually played audio disks with good sound quality and no breakage (in both installs without having to mess with any configs). So I would install deadbeef (for audio), mplayer and smplayer(for video) immediately after the os install.

But I don't know if these issues I had are at all widespread, so whatever the default is ok because it's something easy to change.

Edit: I don't think I have ever used audacious...

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