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#151 2015-02-17 14:51:52

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Re: Wally - a Waldorf replica on a Jessie netinstall

isosceles wrote:

The following issue was already in place for Waldorf;  I report it here in case of coincidence, rather than common cause:
Icons on tint2 taskbar have lines through them and weird white blocks in the background.

This issue can be resolved by ditching cb-compositor and providing a compton.conf. You will have to fix up autostart to point to the new compton.conf. I am at work atm but can provide some source this evening.

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#152 2015-02-17 17:47:24

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Re: Wally - a Waldorf replica on a Jessie netinstall

Got wally (or whatever) working with minor changes over the original cheat sheet. All smooth. Great job, johnraff.

2015_02_17_1424194522_1020x766_scrot.jpg
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For those interested, I replaced thunar, nitrogen and catfish for spacefm, viewnior for mirage, terminator for xfce4-terminal (for the dropdown thing), geany for medit, etc... but essentially the system is wally/waldorf like.

Need to tweak the grub and lightdm backgrounds accordingly (though I'm liking the Debian 8 themes, actually), and maybe lightdm supplying the background instead of spacefm (or nitrogen) but that should be easy.

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#153 2015-02-17 19:11:10

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Re: Wally - a Waldorf replica on a Jessie netinstall

Another update on this Debian Jessie / Wally / LXDE testing, ...@John Raff - there needed to be the tilda "~" not hyphen "-" on the:
<...2>>~/dpkg-scanpackages.log...> so it was my bad typo...Woke up later in the middle of the night and performed the routine
correctly...then, went back to bed....

Anyways...this system is now half-strung between your "pure" Wally and a purged and removed LXDE version of Debian Jessie..weird..

And there is no firmware, and no sound functioning on this system, either...I may try another fresh install tomorrow, unless otherwise.

Leaning toward the "pure" Wally installation unless, there are specific tests you want me to do before Wednesday...#!'ers...!!!!


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#154 2015-02-17 19:35:01

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Re: Wally - a Waldorf replica on a Jessie netinstall

jalexander9 wrote:

And there is no firmware, and no sound functioning on this system, either...I may try another fresh install tomorrow, unless otherwise.

Leaning toward the "pure" Wally installation unless, there are specific tests you want me to do before Wednesday...#!'ers...!!!!

In case you haven't discovered these gems, jessie RC1 images that include the firmware:

http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unoff … ie_di_rc1/

Best,

Chuck

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#155 2015-02-18 00:19:30

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Re: Wally - a Waldorf replica on a Jessie netinstall

OK, I think I've made some progress in finding what's handling disk access permissions in LXDE.  There's a daemon called lxpolkit.  It's a binary, so I have no idea what's actually in it (could probably find the source code with a quick search), but it's provided by...wait for it...lxsession. 8o  Gonna boot into my not-quote-Wally install and see if simply installing lxsession helps sort this out.

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#156 2015-02-18 00:24:24

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Re: Wally - a Waldorf replica on a Jessie netinstall

@jalexander9 - I did mention that tilde a few posts back... smile


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#157 2015-02-18 00:26:25

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Re: Wally - a Waldorf replica on a Jessie netinstall

pvsage wrote:

OK, I think I've made some progress in finding what's handling disk access permissions in LXDE.  There's a daemon called lxpolkit.  It's a binary, so I have no idea what's actually in it (could probably find the source code with a quick search), but it's provided by...wait for it...lxsession. 8o  Gonna boot into my not-quote-Wally install and see if simply installing lxsession helps sort this out.

Hmm.. maybe we could end up embracing lxsession in a more general way for Bunsen session management...


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#158 2015-02-18 00:55:38

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Re: Wally - a Waldorf replica on a Jessie netinstall

I just tried it, and lxsession does, indeed, handle internal disk authentication...if it's running.  There seems to be more to it though, "one does not simply" slap on lxsession and launch it with the Openbox autostart.  It tries to take over other aspects of the DE (as DEs are want to do).

A quick search of apt for polkit suggests that the packages that aren't DE-specific are part of a basic systemd installation.

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#159 2015-02-18 04:51:48

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Re: Wally - a Waldorf replica on a Jessie netinstall

I'm having the time of my life here installing Wally from the beginning, more carefully, and more strictly to the cheat sheet, when I come to the instruction 'startx' -- I've been in x since installing iceweasel. I wrote the lines through www browser on paper, then startx, and off to this thread for the rest. Is this a problem?

I'm thinking not, but install seemed buggy, with instances of

W:  Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168g-3.fw for module r8169

and the like, with variations in the alphanumeric string preceding .fw.

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#160 2015-02-18 05:28:31

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Re: Wally - a Waldorf replica on a Jessie netinstall

^ I see the missing firmware messages everytime I run apt-get dist-upgrade and a package calls for rebuilding the boot image.  It just means you have a Realtek network adapter (wifi or wired, doesn't matter...proprietary firmware is proprietary).

So John's switched to startx instead of LightDM? hmm  startx is typically what you use if you consider a display manager "bloat".

I've been having a look at the Policykit manual; now I'm seeing triple.

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#161 2015-02-18 05:48:55

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Re: Wally - a Waldorf replica on a Jessie netinstall

Also,

tar: tinkerbox-debs.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory
tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now

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#162 2015-02-18 05:55:02

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Re: Wally - a Waldorf replica on a Jessie netinstall

So John's switched to startx instead of LightDM?

Nope, it's just used to run an Xsession to make things (copy paste commands) easier for the steps before installing lightdm.

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#163 2015-02-18 06:05:13

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Re: Wally - a Waldorf replica on a Jessie netinstall

isosceles wrote:

Also,

tar: tinkerbox-debs.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory
tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now

Are those the ones in the local repo? Then you should use sudo for those lines. If you are extracting them anywhere into your home you shouldn't have those errors if the downloads are right. Perhaps you should use wget -c -P if your network connection is not steady.

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#164 2015-02-18 06:12:46

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Re: Wally - a Waldorf replica on a Jessie netinstall

I have located a solution for the authentication problem! big_smile
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php? … 2&p=371257
I have no idea what the if which conditional at the top of that thread does, but add this line to your ./config/openbox/autostart

/usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1 &

and logout/login or reboot.  The first time you access an internal drive, the authentication agent will bug you for a password; after that, it will leave you alone until you logout.  (EDIT:  There was never any authentication to access internal drives in Waldorf, but there doesn't seem to be a way around it now; I actually consider the password check an improvement.)  Also, it won't attempt to take control of anything else on your desktop.

I think I've earned a beer. 8o

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#165 2015-02-18 06:22:19

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Re: Wally - a Waldorf replica on a Jessie netinstall

(passes you a beer) big_smile

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#166 2015-02-18 06:26:25

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Re: Wally - a Waldorf replica on a Jessie netinstall

I think I've earned a beer.

Get two.  tongue

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#167 2015-02-18 06:39:38

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Re: Wally - a Waldorf replica on a Jessie netinstall

It was mostly a matter of sifting through all possible web search strings until I finally happened across "openbox policykit".  (Obvious search string was not obvious. lol )

EDIT:  After spending some time with this, I see that there is a timeout on the authentication.  If you try to mount another internal drive immediately, it will allow this without interruption, but if you come back half an hour later and mount another internal drive, it bugs you for your password again.  I still think this is an improvement over the "once you've logged in, any passerby can access all your things" permissions in Waldorf.

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#168 2015-02-18 07:01:11

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Re: Wally - a Waldorf replica on a Jessie netinstall

Well I've made it back to where I was this morning -- Wally sans audio and a sensitive network connection. Not bad smile I think my most recently mentioned problems were caused by commands that I skipped / entered in error / or otherwise corrupted. I saw somewhere back in this thread that there might be a thread with an answer to my network reconnection problem, so I'll follow that lead.

...

I forgot to test my USB soundcard until now, and it works fine. No signal from the headphone jack or speakers built into my laptop.

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#169 2015-02-18 07:14:28

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Re: Wally - a Waldorf replica on a Jessie netinstall

I have audio, but skipped the pulse part. Just alsa here.

About the firmware, have you started from the Jessie release candidate?

http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/jessi … etinst.iso

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#170 2015-02-18 07:44:59

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Re: Wally - a Waldorf replica on a Jessie netinstall

^
"Magically" I cannot find my iso!  But I was quite certain I had burned the Jessie amd64 netinstall iso.

Perhaps it was not that particular .iso.

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#171 2015-02-18 07:49:03

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Re: Wally - a Waldorf replica on a Jessie netinstall

There are different isos. This particular one is supposed to provide non-free firmware for the network devices.

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#172 2015-02-18 15:58:42

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Re: Wally - a Waldorf replica on a Jessie netinstall

@John Raff taken all of your advice posts into consideration and just completed a fresh Wally installation.

IMHO this is really great!!...Kudos to all of the comments and suggestions on this. Greybird aesthetics were the 'secret sauce!'

Better than LXDE, just my opinion...Still working hard on restoring the sound on this old testing machine....


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#173 2015-02-18 16:13:53

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Re: Wally - a Waldorf replica on a Jessie netinstall

isosceles wrote:

Grub and login screen (Slim?) are both Debian 8 themed, not like Waldorf.

lightdm, not slim. Here's how to make them uniform...
http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic. … 22#p418522

The Documents/documents etc... issue is probably from /.config/user-dirs.dirs, open that file and make sure it looks like this (or similar)...

# This file is written by xdg-user-dirs-update
# If you want to change or add directories, just edit the line you're
# interested in. All local changes will be retained on the next run
# Format is XDG_xxx_DIR="$HOME/yyy", where yyy is a shell-escaped
# homedir-relative path, or XDG_xxx_DIR="/yyy", where /yyy is an
# absolute path. No other format is supported.
# 
XDG_DESKTOP_DIR="$HOME/"
XDG_DOWNLOAD_DIR="$HOME/downloads"
XDG_PUBLICSHARE_DIR="$HOME/public"
XDG_DOCUMENTS_DIR="$HOME/documents"
XDG_MUSIC_DIR="$HOME/music"
XDG_PICTURES_DIR="$HOME/pictures"
XDG_VIDEOS_DIR="$HOME/videos"
XDG_TEMPLATES_DIR="$HOME/templates"

Make sure those folders exist, logout and in and you should see emblems on those folders. You can then delete the duplicates (Documents, etc... make sure they're empty!)


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#174 2015-02-18 16:15:37

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Re: Wally - a Waldorf replica on a Jessie netinstall

@pvsage, I have no issues with Thunar mounting volumes or requesting permissions. Do you have gvfs installed? @johnraff, are you including gvfs in the installation instructions?

-edit- nm, I see you've included gvfs-bin and gvfs-fuse, the latter depends on gvfs. For comparison, here are the gvfs packages I have installed...

ii  gvfs:i386                     1.22.2-1            i386                userspace virtual filesystem - GIO module
ii  gvfs-common                   1.22.2-1            all                 userspace virtual filesystem - common data files
ii  gvfs-daemons                  1.22.2-1            i386                userspace virtual filesystem - servers
ii  gvfs-libs:i386 

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#175 2015-02-18 16:17:04

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Re: Wally - a Waldorf replica on a Jessie netinstall

Yep, I guess the duplicated folders in home are due to the Debian skel using upper case names and the waldorf config making lower case ones.

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