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#76 2015-02-16 17:41:58

Ragnarok
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Re: Looks Like Someone's Beat the Community in Pushing Out a #! Successor

intoCB wrote:

The only problem I have with #!++ is that the concept not only goes against Corenominal's express wishes, it also uses his face. An Englishman's face is his own private castle.

In hindsight, a more restrictive license than the WTFPL might have been in order smile

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While the name change is legal even though it goes against corenominal's wishes, I highly doubt the logo is.

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#77 2015-02-16 18:13:18

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Re: Looks Like Someone's Beat the Community in Pushing Out a #! Successor

hinto wrote:

#!11
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I Like it!  But then "I" would.   lol  lol  lol  lol


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#78 2015-02-16 18:17:22

hhh
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Re: Looks Like Someone's Beat the Community in Pushing Out a #! Successor

intoCB wrote:

This reply is published under the GPL.

The lulz!


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#79 2015-02-16 19:09:57

pingu
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Re: Looks Like Someone's Beat the Community in Pushing Out a #! Successor

Is cerenominal's real life picture under gpl?


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#80 2015-02-16 19:19:52

Ragnarok
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Re: Looks Like Someone's Beat the Community in Pushing Out a #! Successor

pingu wrote:

Is cerenominal's real life picture under gpl?

AFAIK, corenominal doesn't state what his personal photos are licensed under and they're completely separate from #!, so they're not under the WTFPL or GPL. All of corenominal's images/works are automatically copyrighted no matter what and his site even states "© 2015 Philip Newborough."

IANAL, but I'm pretty sure using someone's face to represent your product without their permission is also illegal in most countries.

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#81 2015-02-16 19:23:38

hhh
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Re: Looks Like Someone's Beat the Community in Pushing Out a #! Successor

All humor aside...

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commo … ble_people

As I understand it... you post it on Twitter, you kiss it goodbye. The reworking of it might be considered defamatory/vilifying, but then you can get away with a lot due to it being "artistic". I'm not an attorney though, and it all varies by country.


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#82 2015-02-17 00:41:47

AnInkedSoul
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Re: Looks Like Someone's Beat the Community in Pushing Out a #! Successor

Ragnarok wrote:

AFAIK, corenominal doesn't state what his personal photos are licensed under and they're completely separate from #!, so they're not under the WTFPL or GPL. All of corenominal's images/works are automatically copyrighted no matter what and his site even states "© 2015 Philip Newborough."

IANAL, but I'm pretty sure using someone's face to represent your product without their permission is also illegal in most countries.

but the image isnt an exact copy but more of a monochrome cartoonish replication and facial features are obscured making it unrecognizable

it could be anyone

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#83 2015-02-17 00:45:11

chillicampari
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Re: Looks Like Someone's Beat the Community in Pushing Out a #! Successor

^but it's not. We recognize it right away.

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#84 2015-02-17 00:56:30

AnInkedSoul
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Re: Looks Like Someone's Beat the Community in Pushing Out a #! Successor

....you think you recognize it....because you think you know who it is...

would someone else, that didnt know Philip, recognize it was Philip if they wer presented with a hundred bald guys pics, one of the being Philip? nah...

it could be this guy
http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Jim+ … coWeAl.jpg
or this guy if he shaved
http://thumb7.shutterstock.com/display_ … 926595.jpg
or this guy
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9 … QE9L0dyPsw
or this guy
http://new3.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/commen … f9eae4.png



heck who is to say that the picture Philip uses is his actual picture anyway

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#85 2015-02-17 00:59:38

chillicampari
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Re: Looks Like Someone's Beat the Community in Pushing Out a #! Successor

Of course I do, as does a lot of the community. you can drop links of people who look like him, but that doesn't change a thing.

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#86 2015-02-17 01:06:03

AnInkedSoul
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Re: Looks Like Someone's Beat the Community in Pushing Out a #! Successor

err...okay....

how about we let Philip handle it then as he would be the only person that could legally take issue with it

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#87 2015-02-17 01:14:06

chillicampari
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Re: Looks Like Someone's Beat the Community in Pushing Out a #! Successor

I would hope that respect of his wishes should suffice.

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#88 2015-02-17 01:17:34

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Re: Looks Like Someone's Beat the Community in Pushing Out a #! Successor

I have to agree with chilli on this one. Seems like a no brainer to me.

This guy goes too far. C'mon guys, he even highjacked Philip's face!


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#89 2015-02-17 01:20:13

pingu
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Re: Looks Like Someone's Beat the Community in Pushing Out a #! Successor

and its not like he's gonna make any money with that... bragging rights? I'm still confused.


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#90 2015-02-17 02:11:34

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Re: Looks Like Someone's Beat the Community in Pushing Out a #! Successor

Unia wrote:
spacex wrote:

The perfect approach is. Do the debian netinstall with just the standard system tools, then wget the install script you like to use. Keeps the ISO's small, and requires much less work than keeping and maintaining own big repos and iso's...

But that's just my opinion. So if I evcer create any distro, it will be done like that. The ISO offered for download would be the official debian netinstall.iso, and instead I would be offering a install script that does the rest to make it my distro. Sure, I would have to keep somethings outside Debian. like Wallpapers, icons, themes, custom pipemenus, a few config-files and things like that. But not all that much...

That is  exactly what I am setting up now. The GitHub organisation will hold our community artwork, scripts and configs. The idea is that after a netinstall, one clones the github repositories and runs the install script that installs packages and puts everything into place. Once this is working, we can move on to something more complicated such as providing scripts that locally build .debs so apt or aptitude can track installed items. But hey, walk before you run and all that.

I see that now. All great minds think alike. At least if they think like me lol

But don't worry. I will be no competition to anyone, as my ideas pretty much are just for me. And I'm all over the place, trying everything. The instant I have created something, I loose interest and move on to the next project. I would have no patience supporting anything that I've already left behind me, and to me, the documentation part is only tedious paperwork. I would need a secretary to do that sh... smile

I've already downloaded the deb8-theme from your github. Looks very nice. But that's just the topping of the cake. I'm waiting to see what's inside.... Exciting times indeed. Lots of people popping up with ideas and projects, being creative. That's how I like it.

It's obviously sad that #! is at the end, but if we are going to be honest....,we have to admit that all this new creativity never would have happened without Phillips decision. It is this decision that has triggered others to step up and become better, and in that sense, something good is actually coming from it... smile


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#91 2015-02-17 02:51:48

spacex
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Posts: 385
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Re: Looks Like Someone's Beat the Community in Pushing Out a #! Successor

pvsage wrote:

@spacex:  It feels so odd to have ew in our corner.  Good, but odd.  I'm trying to adjust to the oddness, but I appreciate ew'r support, as do the other mods.

I completely understand the feeling of oddness, but rest assure that I will continue to support you and all the other long-standing members of the community. I will not go into why it became as it did, because that's just going to steal focus. Let's leave it at that, and I do apologize to Core, the mods, and anyone else that might have been caught in the drama. I've learned from it. Let's move ahead smile


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#92 2015-02-17 04:45:52

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Posts: 3,361

Re: Looks Like Someone's Beat the Community in Pushing Out a #! Successor

^ smile


Time to move on!#

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#93 2015-02-17 04:52:47

chillicampari
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Re: Looks Like Someone's Beat the Community in Pushing Out a #! Successor

^+1 and thank you very much, ew. Let's move forward. smile

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#94 2015-02-17 06:16:32

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Re: Looks Like Someone's Beat the Community in Pushing Out a #! Successor

Please, remove the picture of corenominal of your site: http://crunchbangplusplus.org/. It is horrible and disrepectful.

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#95 2015-02-17 08:23:22

pvsage
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Re: Looks Like Someone's Beat the Community in Pushing Out a #! Successor

^ Agreed.  The original Sex Pistols cover was part of a rant against the British Royal Family; your use of the image in this context makes it look like you're ranting against Philip.

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#96 2015-02-17 08:44:56

Forthy
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Registered: 2012-01-16
Posts: 226

Re: Looks Like Someone's Beat the Community in Pushing Out a #! Successor

What if computermouth is core nominal, and this is all just a strange experiment?  yikes

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#97 2015-02-17 09:59:57

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Registered: 2012-06-15
Posts: 1,643

Re: Looks Like Someone's Beat the Community in Pushing Out a #! Successor

Moderators: Can you please merge all the ++ threads into one?

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#98 2015-02-17 13:03:33

Hy
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Registered: 2012-02-18
Posts: 112

Re: Looks Like Someone's Beat the Community in Pushing Out a #! Successor

pvsage wrote:

^ Agreed.  The original Sex Pistols cover was part of a rant against the British Royal Family; your use of the image in this context makes it look like you're ranting against Philip.

I wonder what Corenominal meant by 'Oh my'?  CN's Twitter post of the controversial image

The original cover was a calculated marketing move by the Sex Pistols management (Glitterbest?) to move more units, nothing more. They wanted as many images of the Queen (in tightly rolled bundles) in their pockets as they could possibly get!

It was more about money and fame than any real call-to-arms 'Anarchy'. The image itself has, much like that of the Kings Road mohawk 'punks' become something of an icon of London and Englishness, more 'Seaside postcard naughty' than outright offensive.

smile

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#99 2015-02-17 13:24:15

spacex
ew
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Re: Looks Like Someone's Beat the Community in Pushing Out a #! Successor

johnraff wrote:

btw most of the things they say on their site don't work yet on #!++ are working fine on Wally, and presumably any number of other #! clones...

Yes, but we are not going to tell them how to fix those things, are we? I'm sure not going to smile


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#100 2015-02-17 13:34:36

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Re: Looks Like Someone's Beat the Community in Pushing Out a #! Successor

Well, in the world of FOSS it's all freely available if you know where to look, and understand it when you find it. icon_rolleyes.gif


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