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#1 2015-02-07 21:19:20

twoion
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[CANCELLED] Community IRC Meeting for Coordination Purposes

Various suggestions regarding the future of #! have been brought forward in various threads, like The Beginning or 'Sparkle Dancer'? Nooooo!.

I suggest that an IRC meeting be called in order to sort through the various things that have been said and tentatively reach an agreement on what to do. An IRC meeting takes place in a limited period of time and is not open-ended like the forum discussion, wherefore I think that this form is better suited for actually coordinating an effort.

The main suggestions that have been made so far are these (please forgive me if I did miss one):

  • Embrace Debian Jessie as it is and concentrate on providing an alternative to the debian.net forums (intoCB)

  • Request a sponsorship from the Debian project in order to get a CrunchDE package into Debian which enables a #! mode (pvsage)

  • Make the future #! (digit)

  • Get a configured #! desktop into Debian as a DE option in a future Debian release (intoCB)

  • Offer tasks for tasksel and configuration packages for Debian 8 which could be used for crunchbangifying a system to various degrees in a repository (twoion)

  • Repackage current cb-* packages for Debian 8 (pvsage, johnraff)

If you think this is a good idea, we could agree on a time and place.

Last edited by twoion (2015-02-21 12:03:21)


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#2 2015-02-07 21:33:39

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Re: [CANCELLED] Community IRC Meeting for Coordination Purposes

Any time tomorrow is good for me.

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#3 2015-02-07 21:36:03

chillicampari
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Re: [CANCELLED] Community IRC Meeting for Coordination Purposes

Stickied until meeting notes and discussion on that comes back.

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#4 2015-02-07 21:37:37

tknomanzr
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Re: [CANCELLED] Community IRC Meeting for Coordination Purposes

Depending on time I will be there. If ya catch me during the middle of the work week, daytime in U.S. I would have to miss it. Gonna be hard to coordinate given #!'s worldwide reach, though.

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#5 2015-02-07 22:07:43

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Re: [CANCELLED] Community IRC Meeting for Coordination Purposes

Anytime after 7pm UK time is good for me (up until 11pm ish) on most days.
All day on Fridays.
Probably all day on Saturdays.
Not really free on Sundays.


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#6 2015-02-07 23:12:03

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Re: [CANCELLED] Community IRC Meeting for Coordination Purposes

excellent thread and list collating the ideas.

some points to be aware of...
scheduled irc meetings may help focus in on things, but may also exclude many who for various reasons dont get to participate in the time window.   as such, i dont think they should be used as the absolute.   they also reduce thinking time for well considered input.

unfortunately we dont have ability to make polls here on #! forum, which could help clarify popular opinions on issues we raise.


... sorry.  i've come here with doubts and problems, and no solutions or suggestions... oh, cept that perhaps the time of such scheduled discussions be when it's the middle of the night in hawaii.  this helps maximise the number who might have a chance to show up.

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#7 2015-02-08 00:15:02

twoion
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Re: [CANCELLED] Community IRC Meeting for Coordination Purposes

Thanks for the reponses.

Since I'll be deadly busy with real life next week (finals anybody?) I was thinking of doing this on next week's weekend (Feb 14-15) or even a week later (Feb 20-21), and setting the time to 14:00h or 15:00h UTC which would allow us to capture both European and American people during reasonable (?) hours. Getting all the world under that umbrella seems impossible to me.

I have been looking for a sane cross-timezone meeting schedule tool but haven't found one yet, so there will be probably two polls next week: one for the day, and a second one for the time.


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#8 2015-02-08 00:30:16

tknomanzr
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Re: [CANCELLED] Community IRC Meeting for Coordination Purposes

I am good with weekend schedule for sure as i have much more freedom in my extra-curricular stuff then. As a suggestion, someone who is there should capture notes so we can post them here for the folks who would be unable to make it.

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#9 2015-02-08 00:46:17

chillicampari
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Re: [CANCELLED] Community IRC Meeting for Coordination Purposes

^Good idea, since I probably won't be there and that would be really helpful.

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#10 2015-02-08 01:04:47

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Re: [CANCELLED] Community IRC Meeting for Coordination Purposes

Twoion thanks for another constructive post. I tend to agree with Digit that an IRC meeting, while a good way of getting to quick decisions, might miss out too many people who wanted to be involved, and not allow enough time for careful thought.

This looks like a good summary of the current situation though:

twoion wrote:

The main suggestions that have been made so far are these (please forgive me if I did miss one):

  • Embrace Debian Jessie as it is and concentrate on providing an alternative to the debian.net forums (intoCB)

  • Request a sponsorship from the Debian project in order to get a CrunchDE package into Debian which enables a #! mode (pvsage)

  • Make the future #! (digit)

  • Get a configured #! desktop into Debian as a DE option in a future Debian release (intoCB)

  • Offer tasks for tasksel and configuration packages for Debian 8 which could be used for crunchbangifying a system to various degrees in a repository (twoion)

  • Repackage current cb-* packages for Debian 8 (pvsage, johnraff)

My suggestion would be to keep all of them in mind, while putting them into some kind of time order. That means tackling what look like the easiest tasks first, gradually building up. (They might not turn out to be quite so easy anyway...)


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#11 2015-02-08 06:24:15

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Re: [CANCELLED] Community IRC Meeting for Coordination Purposes

I will be there in IRC ... I pick a time, date and place


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#12 2015-02-08 14:22:46

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Re: [CANCELLED] Community IRC Meeting for Coordination Purposes

Please count me out. My ideas of what happens next differ too much from what other people seem to want i.e. another OB-based CrunchBang-alike.

Bye everyone.

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#13 2015-02-08 15:59:14

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Re: [CANCELLED] Community IRC Meeting for Coordination Purposes

I don't do IRC - and as a developer/programmer I am dead in the water

... but as an interested party I will watch this thread and when the time is settled ... I'll try to make it.


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#14 2015-02-08 19:02:07

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Re: [CANCELLED] Community IRC Meeting for Coordination Purposes

This is a good Idea some of us from IRC have already some discussions on how to move forward. I think a forum section thats a dedicated landing place for all things regarding how we as a community procede would be a good idea also. So I'll reach out to the moderators to suggest that.

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#15 2015-02-08 20:19:20

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Re: [CANCELLED] Community IRC Meeting for Coordination Purposes

(just as an update for the thread)

Got it and yep, we're gonna need to add some things to the forum. It may be a few days so we can figure out how it should all lay out to work the best, and update it as much as possible at once (as to not add too much to corenominal's load since he will be making the changes).

It'll still be at least a bit messy in the meantime, but yes, it's something we need to do.

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#16 2015-02-08 20:53:40

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Re: [CANCELLED] Community IRC Meeting for Coordination Purposes

So us people of the IRC channel, me and a few others have decided to try to take control of the forums and try to do some redirecting it to the new idea.

The people to look out for on IRC for this idea:
DrakkenWarr
Derpadong (Me)
Halts (Community helper)
xskoulx
Ferus (Maybe)
toeshred (Maybe)
etc

If you are in this idea and I didnt mention you, I am sorry. I feel like I could work on themes for the distro and do some other idea. We all are on at different times but I know I am on there every day, all day. We want this to be an ongoing thing and we have taken the steps to move forward on this idea. We are just waiting for some emails to be answered with yes.


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#17 2015-02-08 21:01:00

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Re: [CANCELLED] Community IRC Meeting for Coordination Purposes

So for someone like me, who has never used IRC, but (still) has xchat in his obmenu - which channel are we talking about?

And are there channels which noobs can use for practicing on?


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#18 2015-02-08 21:01:58

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Re: [CANCELLED] Community IRC Meeting for Coordination Purposes

Waitasec- we're all gonna need to work together, not one part taking full control of either area.

simpledesign wrote:

So us people of the IRC channel, me and a few others have decided to try to take control of the forums and try to do some redirecting it to the new idea.
...

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#19 2015-02-08 21:04:21

simpledesign
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Re: [CANCELLED] Community IRC Meeting for Coordination Purposes

We want people to join us. We arent trying to make this 2 seperate teams. damo - freenode, ##crunchbang channel.


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#20 2015-02-08 21:06:46

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Re: [CANCELLED] Community IRC Meeting for Coordination Purposes

We all need to be on the same page, and that's gonna have to be both places. IRC and the forum.

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#21 2015-02-08 21:12:15

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Re: [CANCELLED] Community IRC Meeting for Coordination Purposes

chillicampari wrote:

Waitasec- we're all gonna need to work together, not one part taking full control of either area.

simpledesign wrote:

So us people of the IRC channel, me and a few others have decided to try to take control of the forums and try to do some redirecting it to the new idea.
...

What chillicampari said. "me and a few others have decided to try to take control of the forums" is probably not the message you want to send if you want people to cooperate on any new project.

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#22 2015-02-08 21:14:32

simpledesign
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Re: [CANCELLED] Community IRC Meeting for Coordination Purposes

I know of this. We could do a bot for IRC to pull logs. Anything is possible.


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#23 2015-02-08 21:24:20

chillicampari
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Re: [CANCELLED] Community IRC Meeting for Coordination Purposes

porkpiehat wrote:
chillicampari wrote:

Waitasec- we're all gonna need to work together, not one part taking full control of either area.

simpledesign wrote:

So us people of the IRC channel, me and a few others have decided to try to take control of the forums and try to do some redirecting it to the new idea.
...

What chillicampari said. "me and a few others have decided to try to take control of the forums" is probably not the message you want to send if you want people to cooperate on any new project.

Spot on and thank you porkpiehat.

@simpledesign, a bot for logs would be very helpful to keep everyone in the loop, but we still need to know what the intention is here.

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#24 2015-02-08 21:28:20

simpledesign
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Re: [CANCELLED] Community IRC Meeting for Coordination Purposes

We arent trying to make this place closed. We will take everyone's ideas and try to add them in. We will welcome everyone into this. We want this to keep going.


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#25 2015-02-08 21:35:15

chillicampari
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Re: [CANCELLED] Community IRC Meeting for Coordination Purposes

Even though we discussed earlier privately that the best path may be to combine resources, we should think about the utensil option <--->. The code is WTFPL, the standing request from corenominal is a full name change.

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