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#1 2015-02-07 09:30:28

cloverskull
#! Junkie
Registered: 2013-10-26
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#! inspired Debian spinoff - help on some of the finer points please!

Hey guys,

I see a lot of you are talking about continuing with #!, with "Sparkle Dancer," and other ventures. I'm going to try to build my own rolling release Debian based distro inspired by #! more or less as an adventure in learning more about linux. This isn't an advertisement, more of a solicitation of some advice and a bit of help on some of the bits. smile

  1. What's the easiest / most convenient way currently to make a live iso?

  2. Would it be terribly difficult to make a live iso with a branded installer, much like #!?

  3. What are the rules as far as branding and a logo with the Debian swirl included within?

  4. Anybody wanna make a bit of cash helping with the branding (logo design, site design, theme, etc?)


For what it's worth, my design philosophy is simple - a KISS Debian based openbox/conky/tint2 rolling release distro. Smallest possible initial ISO size, 64 and 32 (pae and non-pae) bit editions, each of stable/testing/unstable editions. Hopefully it'll have a robust wiki and a guide (as well as a script) to build from vanilla Debian netinst.

Basically I want to build something I'd like to use but brand it and make it sparkle like #! and hopefully give something back to the community. #! inspired me to delve deeper into Debian - I hope to be able to influence other people (perhaps yet unfamiliar with linux) to do much the same.

Cheers!

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#2 2015-02-07 09:41:32

pvsage
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Re: #! inspired Debian spinoff - help on some of the finer points please!

Well, at the moment, I can only help with:
1.  Remastersys

3.  https://www.debian.org/logos/

EDIT:  Also, Sparkle Dancer is now Zurg.

Last edited by pvsage (2015-02-07 09:42:17)

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#3 2015-02-07 09:49:17

damo
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Re: #! inspired Debian spinoff - help on some of the finer points please!

(1) I have played with remastersys, versions of which are used by eg VSIDO and others afaik HowTo: Make your own iso, with Remastersys
Crunchmaster - for making a Live iso from your own Crunchbang install

(Be prepared to fix the scripts if necessary though)

(2) Dead easy - have a look at Crunchmaster for an example of "branding"!

Crunchbang uses the Debian live installer, which is way harder to configure imo, which is why I had a go with Remastersys. It is much more powerful though, and obviously it is maintained


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#4 2015-02-07 09:51:51

cloverskull
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Re: #! inspired Debian spinoff - help on some of the finer points please!

Thanks for the help gents smile Once I get things rolling along I'll obviously give everyone a heads up.

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#5 2015-02-07 15:04:09

AnInkedSoul
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Registered: 2010-06-30
Posts: 232

Re: #! inspired Debian spinoff - help on some of the finer points please!

[*]What's the easiest / most convenient way currently to make a live iso?[/*]

For me it is my script although it needs a serious update for jessie. For others I would suggest the refracta tools. I think the recent versions are kept at http://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/testing/

[*]Would it be terribly difficult to make a live iso with a branded installer, much like #!?[/*]

It is not really difficult but it is more work than just adding a live installer to the actual system.

and a guide (as well as a script) to build from vanilla Debian netinst.

actually I would suggest doing this more than I would suggest creating a distro

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#6 2015-02-07 15:10:26

cloverskull
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Re: #! inspired Debian spinoff - help on some of the finer points please!

Thanks. You mentioned a script, could you give a link? smile

My plan is to initially do the scripted build from debian netinst. However part of the beauty of #! for me was the ease of installation, the booting on any hardware into a live environment to test the default hw/sw compatibility, and the ability to keep a #! USB as a computer-agnostic rescue option. For this reason I'd like to follow through with the iso idea, though that will be probably a second or third major iteration of my project. Thanks!

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#7 2015-02-07 15:18:04

altman
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Re: #! inspired Debian spinoff - help on some of the finer points please!

Will keep an eye on your dvellopments cloverskull .


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#8 2015-02-07 15:33:06

AnInkedSoul
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Registered: 2010-06-30
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Re: #! inspired Debian spinoff - help on some of the finer points please!

Nah I doubt i will bother posting my script as most users would be better off using the refracta tools and my script is seriously in need of an update. My scripts started the refracta distro and tools...and then fsmithred came along and jacked em up!!! The -base packages should provide you with the command line versions of the snapshot and installer tools. The graphical parts are contained in the -gui packages.


an old version of my script is here - http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic. … 90#p324490
and some info about it satrts here - http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=13227&p=2
I suspect it will work on wheezy as-is but I do not think it will work on jessie until it gets updated.

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#9 2015-02-07 16:08:48

cloverskull
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Re: #! inspired Debian spinoff - help on some of the finer points please!

Thanks @altman! I'll update when I get something substantial up and moving. Full disclosure: I'm an American forward deployed to Afghanistan right now. I will be here for a while. It's actually a pretty ideal development environment due to lack of typical distractions (tv, booze, etc) but sometimes I'll have periodic internet outages. So it will be a bizarre way to start a project like this, but I'm in!

@AnInkedSoul - awesome, thanks I'll check that stuff out. Cheers!

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#10 2015-02-07 16:33:35

altman
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Registered: 2014-12-20
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Re: #! inspired Debian spinoff - help on some of the finer points please!

cloverskull wrote:

Thanks @altman! I'll update when I get something substantial up and moving. Full disclosure: I'm an American forward deployed to Afghanistan right now. I will be here for a while. It's actually a pretty ideal development environment due to lack of typical distractions (tv, booze, etc) but sometimes I'll have periodic internet outages. So it will be a bizarre way to start a project like this, but I'm in!

@AnInkedSoul - awesome, thanks I'll check that stuff out. Cheers!

Lol , no worries , keep fighting them mate .


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#11 2015-02-07 17:31:02

Digit
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Re: #! inspired Debian spinoff - help on some of the finer points please!

with your initial (good!) questions answered rather well indeed, i wish you the best with this adventure. smile
any idea what you'd call it?

you seem to be planning for more than just rolling (which i take to mean just "sid" in relation to debian), to include releases for all branches, which may prove to be a sizeable workload.  any notion as to how often you'd release iso snapshots?  (even, auto-generated on a timer?!) presumably more rapid release for sid than testing/stable?  ~ idk, maybe these questions are jumping the gun.  one step at a time.

vsido's a #! inspired sid/experimental distro, releasing every fortnight or there abouts (i think), and manages to pull off a rather cushy media-ready userland and simple but glitsy composit'ed fluxbox interface for something in the 350-450mb region iirc.  might be some more tips n tricks to learn from its development too.  smile

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#12 2015-02-07 19:31:48

cloverskull
#! Junkie
Registered: 2013-10-26
Posts: 377

Re: #! inspired Debian spinoff - help on some of the finer points please!

Digit wrote:

with your initial (good!) questions answered rather well indeed, i wish you the best with this adventure. smile
any idea what you'd call it?

Thanks! Yeah, decided on hashtag linux, or #linux (#lnx for short). Seemed easy enough. Plus for the logo/symbology I really like the idea of joining a # with a debian swirl. Plus it's just enough of a crunchbang ripoff to be paying homage while still in decent taste, in my opinion. smile

you seem to be planning for more than just rolling (which i take to mean just "sid" in relation to debian), to include releases for all branches, which may prove to be a sizeable workload.  any notion as to how often you'd release iso snapshots?  (even, auto-generated on a timer?!) presumably more rapid release for sid than testing/stable?  ~ idk, maybe these questions are jumping the gun.  one step at a time.

I was planning a stable branch, testing branch, and unstable branch. My plan is to build isos of each and periodically update them. I'll have to see how the workload is, though. I'd like to use all core debian repos and not any custom repos, so that it can be a true debian rolling release in hotpants...more or less. Essentially building the desktop environment and theming everything, and then just letting everything update as a normal debian distro would.

As long as I don't use release names in the sources, it should always roll updates, and more closely resemble one of the things I truly like about arch. smile But again I'll have to see how unwieldy it will be to make 32 bit, 32 bit pae, and 64 bit isos of each of stable/testing/unstable...maybe I'll have to crawl before I walk on that one!

vsido's a #! inspired sid/experimental distro, releasing every fortnight or there abouts (i think), and manages to pull off a rather cushy media-ready userland and simple but glitsy composit'ed fluxbox interface for something in the 350-450mb region iirc.  might be some more tips n tricks to learn from its development too.  smile

That's a good tip. I'm going to deep dive it the next few days in a VM and see what I can figure out. I've also taken a look at johnraff's netinstall->crunchbang builder script for inspiration for my initial plan of ... well, essentially making the distro work initially from a debian netinstall base.

Thanks!

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