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#1 2014-11-27 22:40:53

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Old Version of Terminator

The version of terminator used in CrunchBang Waldorf is 0.93-4.  However, version 0.95-1 is available in the Debian Stable repo.  Does anyone know why CrunchBang is using an earlier version?


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#2 2014-11-27 22:51:49

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Re: Old Version of Terminator

Hmmm, good question KrunchTime. Perhaps there's no discernible difference and or it wasn't available at the time of Waldorf's build? I use Terminator as well and didn't know it was out of date either. Thanks


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#3 2014-11-27 23:07:17

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Re: Old Version of Terminator

KrunchTime wrote:

The version of terminator used in CrunchBang Waldorf is 0.93-4.  However, version 0.95-1 is available in the Debian Stable repo.  Does anyone know why CrunchBang is using an earlier version?

Because the crunchbang repo is rarely, if ever, updated it seems


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#4 2014-11-28 00:48:25

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Re: Old Version of Terminator

TicTac wrote:

it wasn't available at the time of Waldorf's build?

This.

I recommend reducing Waldorf's pinning to 500 or lower at this point if you want more recent packages in Wheezy to be installed.  (Terminator is one of the few binaries that corenominal saw fit to compile from git for Waldorf, and the default Waldorf pinning keeps this from being updated to the current version in wheezy.)  If you don't want to risk losing some of the custom Waldorf niceties like the slick black GRUB theme, you could pin Waldorf at 800 and preferentially install packages with wheezy as the target, e.g.

 sudo apt-get install -t wheezy terminator

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#5 2014-11-28 01:14:40

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Re: Old Version of Terminator

AH -pvsage has got it covered already, but I'll post this anyway...

Try apt-cache policy for cases like this:

~$ apt-cache policy terminator
terminator:
  Installed: 0.93-4-bzr1026
  Candidate: 0.93-4-bzr1026
  Version table:
     0.95-1 0
        500 http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy/main amd64 Packages
 *** 0.93-4-bzr1026 0
       1001 http://packages.crunchbang.org/waldorf/ waldorf/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

So the cause is the 1001 pinning that the #! packages get by default.

You can force the terminator version by running:

sudo apt-get install terminator=0.95-1

but before doing that you might want to check the changelog and see if 0.95-1 actually has any new features or bugfixes you need.

I don't use terminator so I upgraded to see what happened - the new terminator looks OK and seems to run without errors, except for this message:

/usr/share/terminator/terminatorlib/terminal.py:700: GtkWarning: IA__gtk_box_reorder_child: assertion `old_link != NULL' failed
  self.reorder_child(self.vte, 0)

which might be harmless...  big_smile


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#6 2014-11-28 02:30:14

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Re: Old Version of Terminator

pvsage wrote:

I recommend reducing Waldorf's pinning to 500

And then, if you want to do:

sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade --no-install-recommends

... put tint2 on hold first.

sudo apt-mark hold tint2

there is a problem with it.


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#7 2014-11-28 02:39:36

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Re: Old Version of Terminator

^ Oh, I forgot to mention:  Before allowing the current version of tint2 from wheezy, you should apt-get purge tint2conf; this was from a git version of tint2 when Waldorf was new, has been folded into the mainline tint2 package in wheezy.  Once tint2conf has been purged, mainline tint2 should be updated without incident.

EDIT:  This first came to light when the #! repository was inaccessible due to a DDOS attack.

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#8 2014-11-29 02:07:59

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Re: Old Version of Terminator

johnraff wrote:

You can force the terminator version by running:

sudo apt-get install terminator=0.95-1

but before doing that you might want to check the changelog and see if 0.95-1 actually has any new features or bugfixes you need.

This seems like the best idea and I've learned something in the process.  I don't want to mess up my system by lowering the pinning for the Waldorf repo.  I'll do some research to find out the differences between v0.93 and v0.95 and wait to see if any other enlightening responses are provided.

Thank you everyone for your responses, especially johnraff.   wink


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#9 2014-11-29 02:09:39

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Re: Old Version of Terminator

KrunchTime wrote:
johnraff wrote:

You can force the terminator version by running:

sudo apt-get install terminator=0.95-1

but before doing that you might want to check the changelog and see if 0.95-1 actually has any new features or bugfixes you need.

This seems like the best idea and I've learned something in the process.  I don't want to mess up my system by lowering the pinning for the Waldorf repo.  I'll do some research to find out the differences between v0.93 and v0.95 and wait to see if any other enlightening responses are provided.

Thank you everyone for your responses, especially johnraff.   wink

@TicTac:  You're welcome.  I don't think non-availability is the issue as Waldorf is based off of Wheezy.  If terminator is in the stable repo, then it was available when Wheezy became stable.

Whoops...sorry.  I meant to edit my prior post and must have absent-mindedly clicked the Quote link.  :8

Last edited by KrunchTime (2014-11-29 02:11:21)


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#10 2015-01-06 23:48:41

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Re: Old Version of Terminator

I finally made time to determine the differences between terminator v0.93 (CrunchBang 11) and terminator v0.95 (Debian Stable).  From https://launchpad.net/terminator/+download ...

v0.94 (released 07/04/2010)

  1. Improved support for entirely hiding Terminal titlebars

  2. Plugin configuration via preferences UI

  3. New plugins: Terminal Screenshot, Watch Terminal Activity

  4. Add preferences support for profile encodings (LP: #597340)

  5. Deprecate the tabbar_hide option, replacing it with a 'hidden' option for tab_position.

  6. Add profiles, custom titlebar and custom tab labels to layouts.

  7. Improved directional navigation

  8. Backwards compatibility fixes for RHEL 5.5.

  9. Disabled-by-default keybindings for switching broadcast modes

  10. Bug fixes for LPs: #566925, #563445, #583041, #589200, #576279, #597340, #554571, #597651, #308025, #600280, #576276, #570706, #575827 and some other bugs.

v0.95 (released 08/24/2010)
New configuration options for a DBus server, font anti-aliasing. A new plugin for Maven URLs (thanks to Julien Nicoulaud). Also various improvements in error handling and updated translations.

I installed v0.95 on one of my CrunchBang 11 installations by temporarily disabling the settings in the /etc/apt/preferences file for the CrunchBang repo.  I currently don't notice any differences.


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