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#1 2014-12-13 05:11:11

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First attempt on a 2001 P III m with 512 mb with nVidia Geforce2 Go

And I got it all to work, nvidia 96. drivers, replaced kernel, firmware for wifi and all, without needing to ask even one question.

It says a lot for the quality of the software and this board.  And it even runs well smile


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#2 2014-12-13 08:01:51

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Re: First attempt on a 2001 P III m with 512 mb with nVidia Geforce2 Go

Hi there bobc and welcome  smile

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#3 2014-12-13 09:42:07

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Re: First attempt on a 2001 P III m with 512 mb with nVidia Geforce2 Go

2001? congrats! a picture of the result?  8)

i think it also says something about the quality of the hardware.

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#4 2014-12-13 11:10:12

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Re: First attempt on a 2001 P III m with 512 mb with nVidia Geforce2 Go

Hello bobc, welcome to #!

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#5 2014-12-13 12:59:56

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Re: First attempt on a 2001 P III m with 512 mb with nVidia Geforce2 Go

First attempt on a 2001 P III m with 512 mb with nVidia Geforce2 Go

OH MY!  I would love to see a screen shot as well.  big_smile

... and "without needing to ask even one question." says a bunch about bobc too!

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#6 2014-12-13 15:04:37

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Re: First attempt on a 2001 P III m with 512 mb with nVidia Geforce2 Go

Thanks for the responses smile

I'll see if I can get a screenshot after I get my conky running right.  With only 512mb of memory and a slow processor, its important to keep it out of swap, so I'm working on having the conky monitor it for me and displaying a warning as well as sending a popup box out in case i don't see the conky screen in time.  It takes at least 15 or 20 browser tabs to overload it, but if it does get overloaded, it takes a lot of time and effort to get it to recover, so I'm trying to avoid running out of memory in the first place.


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#7 2014-12-13 15:48:19

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Re: First attempt on a 2001 P III m with 512 mb with nVidia Geforce2 Go

bobc wrote:

And I got it all to work, nvidia 96. drivers, replaced kernel, firmware for wifi and all, without needing to ask even one question.
.....)

Welcome to Crunchbang smile  Maybe you can answer a few questions.... big_smile


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#8 2014-12-13 16:25:12

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Re: First attempt on a 2001 P III m with 512 mb with nVidia Geforce2 Go

Just tossing these out for you ...

Maybe:

# Subtract (file system) buffers from used memory?
no_buffers yes

# Imlib2 image cache size, in bytes. Default 4MiB Increase this value if you use
# ${image} lots. Set to 0 to disable the image cache.
imlib_cache_size 0

and staying away from "exec" type commands.  Just a thought.

One of my haunting grounds:
Index » Tips, Tricks & Scripts » The New Monster Conky Thread


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#9 2014-12-13 23:58:10

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Re: First attempt on a 2001 P III m with 512 mb with nVidia Geforce2 Go

Thanks Sector11.  I had the no_buffers yes already, but don't use ${image} and did not have imlib_cache_size set anywhere, so it was defaulted.


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#10 2014-12-14 10:46:15

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Re: First attempt on a 2001 P III m with 512 mb with nVidia Geforce2 Go

^ S11: haunting or hunting? both would be appropriate i guess...

bobc: i don't mean to nag, but i meant a real picture, not a screenshot. but only if you get around to it, and if it wouldn't involve cleaning up half your appartment... like in my case it would.  :8

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#11 2014-12-14 13:20:22

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Re: First attempt on a 2001 P III m with 512 mb with nVidia Geforce2 Go

Hmmmm,

One person wants a screenshot and someone else wants a REAL pic.

As you can see there is a floppy in  the drive.  I can boot it with plop linux and then switch the boot to a USB flashdrive.  I also fixed the DVD drive by cleaning a little blue shiny thing with my shirt.  I bought a "cleaner" cd, but it didn't work, so I figured out that it was supposed to be cleaning the blue eye thing and carefully cleaned it myself by hand, and now it works.  Some OS's just doo not like booting from floppy to USB.

BTW, my usual conky is NOTHING compared to some of the stuff I see posted around here.  But my machines are generally older and slower, and so I need to be frugal about how I use memory and cpu cycles or they get too slow to be any fun working on.  That's typical with MS Windows, but with the "better" linux distros, I have found I can work at a reasonable speed even on a 14 yr old machine like this one.  My definition of "better" probably differs from other people's, but its by necessity.  If the OS isn'/t efficient, its just too slow to be useful for me.

I noticed there is no

inxi -Fxz

Is there some other preferred diagnostic to show the system details that's used here instead??

here is  a screenshot 54am.png

and hopefully here is a pic...   well, it came out sideways because i had to turn the camera to fit, lol
2014-12-1406-38-34405.jpg

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#12 2014-12-14 16:35:24

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Re: First attempt on a 2001 P III m with 512 mb with nVidia Geforce2 Go

^ AWESOME!

RE: inxi
I got my "wheezy" version at http://smxi.org/ under "Utilities".  Works well.
You'll still need lm-sensors and hddtemp installed though.

 14 Dec 14 | 13:15:55 ~
    $ s11
System:    Host: sector11 Kernel: 3.2.0-4-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: Openbox 3.5.0
           Distro: CrunchBang Linux waldorf
Machine:   Mobo: ECS model: MCP61M-M3 v: 7.0 Bios: American Megatrends v: 080015 date: 11/03/2010
CPU:       Triple core AMD Athlon II X3 450 (-MCP-) cache: 1536 KB 
           clock speeds: max: 3214 MHz 1: 3214 MHz 2: 3214 MHz 3: 3214 MHz
Graphics:  Card: NVIDIA GT218 [GeForce 210]
           Display Server: X.Org 1.12.4 driver: nvidia Resolution: 1920x1080@60.0hz
           GLX Renderer: N/A GLX Version: N/A
Audio:     Card-1 NVIDIA MCP61 High Definition Audio driver: snd_hda_intel Sound: ALSA v: 1.0.24
           Card-2 NVIDIA High Definition Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel
Network:   Card: NVIDIA MCP61 Ethernet driver: forcedeth
           IF: eth0 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 500.1GB (15.5% used) ID-1: /dev/sda model: WDC_WD5000AAKX size: 500.1GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 20G used: 4.3G (23%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1
           ID-2: /media/5 size: 197G used: 63G (34%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda5
           ID-3: /media/6 size: 20G used: 172M (1%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda6
           ID-4: /media/7 size: 20G used: 172M (1%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda7
           ID-5: /media/8 size: 23G used: 172M (1%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda8
           ID-6: /media/9 size: 23G used: 172M (1%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda9
           ID-7: /media/10 size: 136G used: 188M (1%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda10
           ID-8: /home size: 20G used: 2.8G (15%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda2
           ID-9: swap-1 size: 2.15GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda3
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 40.0C mobo: 40.0C gpu: 42C
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: 2242 fan-2: 0 fan-3: 0
Weather:   Conditions: 83 F (28 C) - Scattered Clouds Time: December 14, 1:32 PM ART
Info:      Processes: 143 Uptime: 5:13 Memory: 753.5/5988.1MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.2.14
 
 14 Dec 14 | 13:32:12 ~
    $ 

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#13 2014-12-14 16:39:27

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Re: First attempt on a 2001 P III m with 512 mb with nVidia Geforce2 Go

This is a beautiful thing....
For context, In 2001 I was fighting with Redhat Linux 6 and Mandrake 7. This was pre-fedora.

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#14 2014-12-14 16:45:34

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Re: First attempt on a 2001 P III m with 512 mb with nVidia Geforce2 Go

Yes, my conky's are what I'd call "relatively simple, but useful".  They conky itself runs once every 15 seconds and the different execs inside are anywhere from 30 seconds to 2 hours apart, and all run quickly, so there is no performance degradation even on my turtle-like systems.  Mem says it only uses 1 or 2 mb, so I don't worry about that, either.  I created a script to run from it to check for ram availability and send a popup message to the x-windows screen the other day, but i don't have that implemented under cb yet, as that conky has a few dependencies I need to cover first.


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#15 2014-12-14 18:03:03

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Re: First attempt on a 2001 P III m with 512 mb with nVidia Geforce2 Go

2001 PC? Very impressive!  If you want to lower that footprint more suggest switching to cli based applications where possible.  For my netbook I had #! on before flashing to seabios on my chromebook, I used xxxterm for heavy flash based web browsing and youtube/amazon instant video, links2 -g for general browsing with pictures.  And for chat used finch and irssi.  Feh for image viewing, and switch to mplayer for video viewing.

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#16 2014-12-14 18:38:50

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Re: First attempt on a 2001 P III m with 512 mb with nVidia Geforce2 Go

Yes, you have it right that the browsers are the killer. 

i was doing so experimenting/testing with manjaro, and i had a problem where some app went nuts firing off xdg-open's and the poor thing got over 1000 of them running at once before it started needing to use swap, and then it was just hopeless spending 30 min or so trying to close browser windows trying to get it back, and finally having to just hit the power button.  So afterwards, I did a test where I intentionally opened browser programs and tabs till it started getting slow, and as expected, it was when it started swapping, so then I came up with a configurable script I could run from the conky that checks available ram that is configurable to be run either based on mb available or percent available, and sends a popup window message box out so I have a chance to keep it from locking up.

I was able to get about 20 tabs up ok, even with other programs running, but you are right, that if I were to use a significantly more memory efficient browser, even *I* wouldn't be getting so close to hitting the wall.

I will have to look at xxxterm again.  I did try it once, but its SOOO spartan, lol.  I suppose if I could just get used to it...

The other apps, I really don't run much or often, just a few basic games here and there, or maybe edit a resume or cover letter type thing...


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#17 2014-12-14 20:42:02

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Re: First attempt on a 2001 P III m with 512 mb with nVidia Geforce2 Go

Oh and you might want to check out "ranger" file manager, I learned of that little gem compliments of LinuxBBQ


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#18 2014-12-14 21:25:38

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Re: First attempt on a 2001 P III m with 512 mb with nVidia Geforce2 Go

LOL, no ranger or links2 for me! 

They remind me of about 1987 to 1989 maybe, back when 386's were new, and before Windows.  One program from that era I still LOVE is Norton Commander.  Version 2 of that was just great!  DesqView was cool, too.  With that and NC I had no need for Windows at all. 

I use Midnight Commander ALL the time.  I haven't really gotten used to it completely, but it and the Browser are the two programs that get used constantly on my systems.

I haven't settled on a browser.  I like Dillo, its fast and light, but there are many sites it can't handle.

Forget Chromium, its just too big and slow.  Opera is ok.  Firefox and clones are ok, but big.  Those are what I use lately.

Qupzilla and Midori crash every few minutes or I'd like either of those best.  Sometimes I think the crashes are caused by the site's contents, not the browser?  Maybe its all the flash garbage that does it?  I don't like that flash stuff except to play videos when I WANT to play a video. 

I guess I live way, way in the past...

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#19 2014-12-15 08:02:40

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Re: First attempt on a 2001 P III m with 512 mb with nVidia Geforce2 Go

bobc, thanks for the pic.

seeing this makes me happy.
also reading how you "fixed" your dvd player.  8o

may it live another 14 years!

re browsers:
no clue why qupzilla is crashing. i was using it succesfully on archlinux and liked it a lot (the right mix between features and lightweight). but it's not in the repos for stable, maybe that's why?

there's a few lightweight webkit frontends: arora, dwb, luakit, surf, uzbl...
i have tried xombrero (newer version of xxxterm) and it is very lightweight while still having rudimentary right-clickability, but it has some quirks i just can't live with :-(
i keep dwb as a second, lightweight browser on my system.

re flash:
i have removed the flashplugin from my system.
about 90% of all youtube videos also run on html5.
i have yet to enter a situation where i would really need flash in my browser.

anyhow, there's much nicer ways to watch online videos, like trizen's youtube-viewer (but i found the gtk version to be useless on debian stable).

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#20 2014-12-15 08:14:18

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Re: First attempt on a 2001 P III m with 512 mb with nVidia Geforce2 Go

bobc wrote:

LOL, no ranger or links2 for me! 

They remind me of about 1987 to 1989 maybe, back when 386's were new, and before Windows.  One program from that era I still LOVE is Norton Commander.  Version 2 of that was just great!  DesqView was cool, too.  With that and NC I had no need for Windows at all. 

I use Midnight Commander ALL the time.  I haven't really gotten used to it completely, but it and the Browser are the two programs that get used constantly on my systems.

I haven't settled on a browser.  I like Dillo, its fast and light, but there are many sites it can't handle.

Forget Chromium, its just too big and slow.  Opera is ok.  Firefox and clones are ok, but big.  Those are what I use lately.

Qupzilla and Midori crash every few minutes or I'd like either of those best.  Sometimes I think the crashes are caused by the site's contents, not the browser?  Maybe its all the flash garbage that does it?  I don't like that flash stuff except to play videos when I WANT to play a video. 

I guess I live way, way in the past...

There's an option in Opera to make it so that opera doesn't play or even download flash content unless you click on it. Go to Preferences>Advanced>Content and check "Enable plug-ins only on demand." For sites that don't need it, you can hit F12 and uncheck plug-ins and javascript when you're on sites that don't require them. A few sites that I go on are really heavy on javascript without adding any features or anything with it, so when I go on those sites I uncheck javascript to get a little smoothness back.


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#21 2014-12-15 08:38:38

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Re: First attempt on a 2001 P III m with 512 mb with nVidia Geforce2 Go

Different55 wrote:
bobc wrote:

LOL, no ranger or links2 for me!

There's an option in Opera to make it so that opera doesn't play or even download flash content unless you click on it. Go to Preferences>Advanced>Content and check "Enable plug-ins only on demand." For sites that don't need it, you can hit F12 and uncheck plug-ins and javascript when you're on sites that don't require them. A few sites that I go on are really heavy on javascript without adding any features or anything with it, so when I go on those sites I uncheck javascript to get a little smoothness back.

I will have to try that with Opera, and see if it helps.  I'm also using a slower 56 mbps PCMCIA wireless card, as compared to the 100 mbps wireless router, so the less that I'm not getting that I don't really want to see, the better.

Murphys law says Qupzilla and Midori probably can't do that and those are the ones that are crashing if i try to go to certain sites.

Links2 with the -g wasn't as bad and the text version, but still, I couldn't use it someplace like here, so it really won't do me any good.  Dillo has the same issues.  There are just very few basic pages anymore.  Everything is glitz, need it or not.

To be honest, for a 14 yr old, it really is doing a fine job, and at some point will get donated to someone even needier than myself.  But in the meantime, it is really a challenge to make it faster and better doing basic tasks than windows machines that are double or quadruple the speed and memory.


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#22 2014-12-15 08:44:18

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Re: First attempt on a 2001 P III m with 512 mb with nVidia Geforce2 Go

ohnonot wrote:

bobc, thanks for the pic.

seeing this makes me happy.
also reading how you "fixed" your dvd player.  8o

may it live another 14 years!

re browsers:
no clue why qupzilla is crashing. i was using it succesfully on archlinux and liked it a lot (the right mix between features and lightweight). but it's not in the repos for stable, maybe that's why?

there's a few lightweight webkit frontends: arora, dwb, luakit, surf, uzbl...
i have tried xombrero (newer version of xxxterm) and it is very lightweight while still having rudimentary right-clickability, but it has some quirks i just can't live with :-(
i keep dwb as a second, lightweight browser on my system.

re flash:
i have removed the flashplugin from my system.
about 90% of all youtube videos also run on html5.
i have yet to enter a situation where i would really need flash in my browser.

anyhow, there's much nicer ways to watch online videos, like trizen's youtube-viewer (but i found the gtk version to be useless on debian stable).

Trizen is a nice guy and good coder.  I was using his obmenu-generator and needed a minor mod to it to get the job done right, so I figured out the code and sent it to him, and instead of being upset, he implemented it.

I will have to try your idea of just removing the stinking flashplugin.  I'm almost betting it fixes my problems.  I wonder it its all due to my old CPU that only does PAE and SSE, but none of the other fancy stuff?  I hate most of that flash stuff anyway, but do want to be able to watch something on request.

PS: This has to be the friendliest board I've found.  No wonder people post all the neat things they've done here smile

Last edited by bobc (2014-12-15 08:47:42)


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