Ideas for Janice

olegabrielz · 2014-06-17 07:17:09

Alad wrote:

Crunchbang is not simple. GTK3, Network Manager, pulseaudio, udisks, ... ]:D

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photonucleon · 2014-06-17 12:18:21

I thought that true simplicity was about "bringing order to complexity". And that's exactly what #! does, really Oh, and makes it fantastically customisable too

cloverskull · 2014-06-17 18:31:24

I've been toying with the idea of making a debian testing #! clone but make the iso as minimal as possible, and control everything through metapackage style bash scripts, i.e. pull down gimp because you either installed it intentionally or you ran the graphic manipulation metapackage script.

Why not make everything a script and keep the base install as small as possible?

Head_on_a_Stick · 2014-06-17 19:47:11

^ Isn't that what a minimal netinstall does, using apt-get as the scripting tool?
Also, check out the the Linux BBQ

cloverskull · 2014-06-18 00:10:50

Yep, more or less. It's still a bit hacky of an approach for a user friendly "just works" distro like #!, in my opinion, but it's the method I typically use to install a fresh OS nowadays.

Also, I dig BBQ. I haven't been on the forums much there, perhaps I'll take a look

andril · 2014-06-20 15:00:41

I love #! just the way it is but...... systemd, Deadbeef, Xnoise, auto updating Openbox, and system update command will be nicer

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damo · 2014-06-20 15:18:33

andril wrote:

I love #! just the way it is but...... systemd, Deadbeef, Xnoise, auto updating Openbox, and system update command will be nicer

I thought there was already a "system update" command?

sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade

twoion · 2014-06-20 15:26:29

cloverskull wrote:

I've been toying with the idea of making a debian testing #! clone but make the iso as minimal as possible, and control everything through metapackage style bash scripts, i.e. pull down gimp because you either installed it intentionally or you ran the graphic manipulation metapackage script.
Why not make everything a script and keep the base install as small as possible?

This would require to define both '#!' and 'base system' in

#! install = core + base system + #!

which is harder to do than just

#! install = deb stable + #!

If the stable base moves for example, you just have to adapt a small #!-specific codebase to the new base system in order to crunchbang a system. Maintaining a 'base system' spec and the additions is way more work because packages get removed, renamed or binaries are moved into different packages or dropped. You can monitor this process by reading debian-devel discussions or running testing or unstable; it happens all the time. You'd have to do way more detail work if you'd want to go through with a '#! install script'. In that regard, you would also want to use tasksel or other tools that have been written to provide just that kind of functionality instead of a simple script.

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cloverskull · 2014-06-20 17:48:06

Thanks for the explanation - that really puts some things into perspective. Thanks

JaZZyCooL · 2014-06-29 01:05:43

All I want to say is please have a UEFI support I really want to install Crunchbang without messing up my windows 8 on a pre-installed UEFI windows 8 system, but the method seems too hard without direct installation.

fishstory · 2014-07-01 07:32:44

sleeveroller wrote:

As a final note IMO this thread is getting a bit bloated and it's hard to keep track of the ideas mentioned here. I know corenominal is a busy man :-) but maybe it's time for a new thread or threads to discuss in further detail the subset of ideas that he's keen to actually include in Janice.

I completely agree! I don't think a forum is really the best medium for discussing feature requests. It would be cool to have something like a bug tracker where we could mark and merge duplicate requests and vote on which ones we'd like the most. What do you think?

I don't know whether anyone has mentioned this but I'd really like a built in openbox shortcut key for toggling the touchpad. I currently use a simple bash script to toggle that someone posted to the forum a while ago - but I think it would be a nice feature to have this capability available by default as I'm sure there are many others like me who absolutely despise the touchpad and would physically rip it out of their laptops if they could do it with impunity!

BTW I recently dared to install lubuntu on my netbook as I figured it would be far more up to date than the current crunchbang. Within ten minutes I was bogged down by so many irritating bugs, I've decided to scrap it and come back to a distro that just works with no nonsense!!

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Bearded_Blunder · 2014-07-01 09:34:35

fishstory wrote:

I don't know whether anyone has mentioned this but I'd really like a built in openbox shortcut key for toggling the touchpad. I currently use a simple bash script to toggle that someone posted to the forum a while ago - but I think it would be a nice feature to have this capability available by default as I'm sure there are many others like me who absolutely despise the touchpad and would physically rip it out of their laptops if they could do it with impunity!

Cut some card to fit the recess - fix in place - job done.
Or open the case, they're easy enough to just disconnect in most notebooks.

fishstory · 2014-07-01 10:31:08

Bearded_Blunder wrote:

Cut some card to fit the recess - fix in place - job done.
Or open the case, they're easy enough to just disconnect in most notebooks.

I did actually disconnect it in one laptop it was annoying me so much... but I found that this also disconnected the pointing stick, which I needed. Basically I need the touchpad every once in a while, but I can *not* have it active when I'm typing, or I'll lose it...

anonymous · 2014-07-01 15:01:25

fishstory wrote:

sleeveroller wrote:
As a final note IMO this thread is getting a bit bloated and it's hard to keep track of the ideas mentioned here. I know corenominal is a busy man :-) but maybe it's time for a new thread or threads to discuss in further detail the subset of ideas that he's keen to actually include in Janice.
I completely agree! I don't think a forum is really the best medium for discussing feature requests. It would be cool to have something like a bug tracker where we could mark and merge duplicate requests and vote on which ones we'd like the most. What do you think?

Perhaps UserVoice could be an option? Here's some examples of what it is like:

http://feedback.novalauncher.com/
http://apexlauncher.uservoice.com/

ElQuia · 2014-07-01 23:24:57

Hi guys, long time no see.

Just a SIMPLE (?) question.....
Is there any ETA for CB 12? I am feeling sort off outdated, I was yesterday doing some "benchmarks" (just testing and toying arround) with the new Libre office fresh 4.31. IT IS MUCH FASTER than the versio CB (stable) has....
There are some distros out there like lxle, that are too complex (not simple and beautiful) but they have last versions of fast proggies. I'd like a CB with thoses programs....

so..... any ETA? O:)

Ozitraveller · 2014-07-02 01:00:42

ElQuia wrote:

Hi guys, long time no see.
Just a SIMPLE (?) question.....
Is there any ETA for CB 12? I am feeling sort off outdated, I was yesterday doing some "benchmarks" (just testing and toying arround) with the new Libre office fresh 4.31. IT IS MUCH FASTER than the versio CB (stable) has....
There are some distros out there like lxle, that are too complex (not simple and beautiful) but they have last versions of fast proggies. I'd like a CB with thoses programs....
so..... any ETA? O:)

I'm pretty sure Libre Office 4.2.5 is available from backports. Also currently in jessie and sid. So 4.3 could be a while.

It looks like 4.3 is currently in experimental
https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libreoffice

Head_on_a_Stick · 2014-07-02 06:35:21

ElQuia wrote:

Is there any ETA for CB 12?

When it's ready
But seriously, I think the 6-month freeze will start in Jessie soon, ready for the move to Stable: we'll know then...

Copper0 · 2014-07-02 06:53:18

Jessie will freeze November 5th. So expect Janice maybe late summer 2015

vic · 2014-07-02 06:53:32

jessie freeze policy;

https://release.debian.org/jessie/freeze_policy.html

jeffreyC · 2014-07-02 10:53:38

But the Debian freeze is only part of it, after Debian Jessie gets released it will still be a while until CrunchBang Janice is released - probably not very long but certainly not before.

ElQuia · 2014-07-02 13:49:13

OK, guys, as I see it, we'll have to wait quite a while...
Well 11 still is one of the best if no the best distro for old notebooks and PC's....
Thanks to all for answers

pvsage · 2014-07-02 14:35:08

jeffreyC wrote:

But the Debian freeze is only part of it, after Debian Jessie gets released it will still be a while until CrunchBang Janice is released - probably not very long but certainly not before.

Unless corenominal has changed his policy from previous releases, we can probably expect a Janice Testing image about the same time as the Jessie freeze. This way, we will have shaken down any problems in Janice by the time Jessie becomes Debian Stable.

jeffreyC · 2014-07-02 17:49:33

pvsage wrote:

jeffreyC wrote:
But the Debian freeze is only part of it, after Debian Jessie gets released it will still be a while until CrunchBang Janice is released - probably not very long but certainly not before.
Unless corenominal has changed his policy from previous releases, we can probably expect a Janice Testing image about the same time as the Jessie freeze. This way, we will have shaken down any problems in Janice by the time Jessie becomes Debian Stable.

Alpha(s?) and or beta(s?) don't most distros do that?

I was thinking of the final release and forgot about that.

fishstory · 2014-07-03 11:56:55

Small suggestion for the installer... currently if you choose to encrypt the whole disk it automatically attempts to (I'm guessing) securely erase the disk before installing... this will literally take forever. If you're using a new HDD or one with data that you don't really care about falling into the wrong hands... surely there's no need to do this erasure? I always click 'Skip', but it might be nice just to have some small amount of text notifiying the newbie that erasure will take forever and doesn't need to be done on a new HDD. Unless I'm missing something.

See, e.g. http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=29667 for an example of newbie disorientation.

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fishstory · 2014-07-03 14:58:20

Another little feature that would be nice - some way to turn your screen off so that it stays OFF until you touch the keyboard or mouse. At the moment if you use "xset dpms force off" something (xscreensaver?) always comes along to wake the screen up at some seemingly random point in the future. The only way I've found for keeping the screen off is to set the xscreensaver power management setting to go to standby after 1 minute - but this is obviously a fairly inconvenient workaround...

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