Ideas for Janice

samdraz · 2014-06-02 09:15:58

tint2conf has been added to tint2 in debain sid , just got the broken message this morning

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MrM · 2014-06-02 19:52:02

Hi guys.. what about btrfs? I know it is for "experiments" rather than for daily use, but there is still some things what I really like... :-)

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garricck · 2014-06-02 20:00:26

my suggestions

+1 openrc and systemd-shim meaby no
+1 pulseaudio as option (alsa is better for resampling, ...)
+1 mlocate
+1 gimp

and meaby
+1 command-not-found
+1 mc

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th3pun15h3r · 2014-06-02 23:11:27

What about having Cairo composite manager be the composite manager? I like that it gives the options for mosaic and open and close animations..

nore · 2014-06-03 05:00:28

Is Cairo compositing still an active project? I used to like it too but lately I have left it behind for compton.

imp2021 · 2014-06-05 14:27:40

I would like to have:

* another MW to chose from per default (xmonad i heard should be a stable one... .i know there are more to chose from )
* some easy switch to turn of system beeps
* a sweeter login and screen-saver-lock
* 2 conkys, to switch, one with system-info and the other for daytime and casual infos. so that you can chose to have distraction or not (but its somewhat easily done self made, but it would look and feel awesome on default ! )
* another cursor-theme.. well, at least turn off the blinking on default, ty
* a grid of workspaces instead of a row.. i never really need it (i guess i got used to it, as it is what #! provides) but that is sometimes something, that i miss from ubuntu (and that is the only one thing..)
** but i use them excessively i guess. always when i am on a microsoft thing, i can not imagine to life w/o them! ..like i am close to tears, when i see beloved ones with a thousands tabs, browsers, applications in their Taskbar...
** btw tint could have a little hands on. my windows dont expand like i wanted them to. (they stopped on the bar. and no, autohide aint a good solution.. for somtimes they dont resize. however i have a workaround, but its with messing the 'on top' thing and.. not ideal.)
* python3 support per default, not to say that it is charming, but way more charming then python2..
* easier configuration for keymappings, like for <caps> who needs it? (i have it to give me hjkl-movement, super sweet, but i might have broken something during the process.. for im noob, but its awesome xD)
* some replacement for Thunar .. i do not know a really good replacement, but i guess i learn vifm, ranger, mc or alike.. so it is not a big deal. but that Thunar kinda always opens with a tooooooo large column with.. or range? .. however, i have to scroll.. not so nice.
* some wiki per default! i use zim (like every day!), i guess there are tons of other good ones out there.. i think it fits, its fast and easy to learn and to use. ..and it can keep you somewhat organized, the good way! (just a little buggy, but only very little.. i would rather say rough edges instead of buggy, but well, who knows.)
** ..there are other applications of taste of mine, but those are nothing a system needs to have as a operating system on default.. so only the filemanager and the wiki-thing is somewhat i think a system needs as some sort of bare extras to have set (besides the editor, firewall.. you guys know ;P)
* maybe you want to ship with 2 modi, like one to have super minimal and some to have like with your cb-welcome script..
* the clipboard integrated in the background (of a single workspace or such, conky?) (donno, if the clipboard could be managed more intuitively)

..and probably more.. the important stuff for me i bolded.
however, pls keep it simple (no flashlights and eye-candy besides clear looks).

You are doing a great job so far, ty !

anonymous · 2014-06-05 14:46:24

imp2021 wrote:

* a grid of workspaces instead of a row.. i never really need it (i guess i got used to it, as it is what #! provides) but that is sometimes something, that i miss from ubuntu (and that is the only one thing..)

Could you explain this? I *think* whether you see your workspaces laid out horizontally, vertically, or as a grid depends on what program you are using to switch workspaces.

imp2021 wrote:

* python3 support per default, not to say that it is charming, but way more charming then python2..

Do you mean you want python3 included on the LiveCD? That is easy. However if you want python to link to python3, I think that is controlled by the Debian packages. Also having python3 as default might break some poorly-written scripts.

imp2021 wrote:

* the clipboard integrated in the background (of a single workspace or such, conky?) (donno, if the clipboard could be managed more intuitively)

Explain this too.

th3pun15h3r · 2014-06-05 16:12:49

nore wrote:

Is Cairo compositing still an active project? I used to like it too but lately I have left it behind for compton.

They have a repo for sid so I assume its on going. I just wish they had a package for stable.

Sector11 · 2014-06-05 16:21:26

@ imp2021

* 2 conkys, to switch, one with system-info and the other for daytime and casual infos. so that you can chose to have distraction or not (but its somewhat easily done self made, but it would look and feel awesome on default ! )

Conky, beyond the basic stuff, is very hardware, DE, WM dependent and would be difficult to do. And like you said: easily done.

What do you mean by: "system-info" and the other for "daytime and casual info"? What is the difference?

* some replacement for Thunar .. i do not know a really good replacement, but i guess i learn vifm, ranger, mc or alike.. so it is not a big deal. but that Thunar kinda always opens with a tooooooo large column with.. or range? .. however, i have to scroll.. not so nice.

Set a default view
Thunar » Edit » Preferences » Display » View new folders using: Compact List View

Set a session view
Thunar » View -> at the bottom -

View as Icons          Ctrl-1
View as Detailed List  Ctrl-2
View as Compact List   Ctrl-3

Pick one

nore · 2014-06-05 19:11:01

th3pun15h3r wrote:

They have a repo for sid so I assume its on going.

If we read the same archives at tuxfamily, latest updates are dated 2010-Mar-18.

imp2021 · 2014-06-06 15:08:19

Some detailed notes to my suggestions, for I feel asked about. (sry for not quoting, but I think the shorter the effective.. except its unclear.) (@anonymus,Sector11)

* workspaces related:
hmm... I donno the tech behind them, but I had 4 or 6 of them on my ubuntu system, so 2 rows, 3 columns at max. And it was a charm for switching them, for the down row had like say graphical stuff, like inkscape or games or something, and the upper row had the more sophisticated stuff, like email, wiki.. so it was always like switching 'enviorements' on one key stroke.
..I am always like using 2 workspaces for a(ny) task. (so i need another 2 for a second task! but however, I am fine with 4 workspaces (btw the first thing i change after reinstall)). best example is for the use of idle (phyton interactive shell). I write in the editor, and I want the output on another workspace. I avoid using the mouse (which is charming on older thinkpads w/o touchpads), so tint aint the ideal option. besides it eats up screenspace.

* python3... erm, well, yea, it might break something.. but python3 is just.. the noobs should learn nowadays python3 first (imo.. the old print statements look soo confusing to the noobs, like me. but i might miss the point here, what that means for a 'liveCD', so you might as well ignore my state on that.)

* the clipboard, the.. to explain that, I have to say, I am learning vim, which forces me into some weird CnP interactions, with register-interpretations, to learn.. And I miss(ed) Clipboard interactions in my normal workflow before. And it is not so obvious for me to use it on default. ..maybe the <ctr><alt>u shortcut on the conky shortcut to show would be sufficient. ..I actually using it now, but I might as well be here complaining with no solution. sry for that..

* 2 conkys..
I saw it on archbang 'super+something' gives the shortcuts, so they stay out of the way on normal circumstances. (..you might as well just delete the Shortcutsection when you learned it, out of conky, but then its gone.. maybe someday i want to add more shortcuts to learn, or i forget about them.. so i actually dont want to delete them..)
Turns out I need conky most of the time tell me, what time and date it is (and tint does that most of the time..). ..the system info thing is great, dont get me wrong, I really like it! But I just dont want it to distract me. so i want that extra stuff, but only when i need it, not, when i turn on my machine.
..so i need 3 conkys actually.. 1 for date, 1 for sysinfo and 1 for shortcuts.. but yea, depends on how you like your system.

* Thunar.. ff, that thing!
Soooo, I am always in Ctrl+2 mode.. there is a column, that says 'Type'. (the one that says the filetype.. ) It seldom has more then 8 characters in it, except for symlinks or whatever.. But it is always way to large.. Just 3-8chr long, would be cool, but no, its like super large, and i have to scroll not nice. ..couldnt figure it.. tried it.. but

sleeveroller · 2014-06-06 16:11:59

Here's my 2p for what it's worth:

- I totally agree with the less is more crowd. Installing packages in Debian based distros is a breeze and the cb-welcome script is also a great way to give the user quick access to some standard applications that don't make the cut.

- Developer contributions have also been mentioned, again I think this is a great idea and I'd be very interested in helping out where and when I can.

- As a final note IMO this thread is getting a bit bloated and it's hard to keep track of the ideas mentioned here. I know corenominal is a busy man :-) but maybe it's time for a new thread or threads to discuss in further detail the subset of ideas that he's keen to actually include in Janice.

th3pun15h3r · 2014-06-06 16:42:22

nore wrote:

th3pun15h3r wrote:
They have a repo for sid so I assume its on going.
If we read the same archives at tuxfamily, latest updates are dated 2010-Mar-18.

Totally missed the error. My apologizes on that part. Too bad too it was a nice project. Is there any other real lightweight composite managers besides compton?

anonymous · 2014-06-06 21:38:02

imp2021 wrote:

* workspaces related:
hmm... I donno the tech behind them, but I had 4 or 6 of them on my ubuntu system, so 2 rows, 3 columns at max. And it was a charm for switching them, for the down row had like say graphical stuff, like inkscape or games or something, and the upper row had the more sophisticated stuff, like email, wiki.. so it was always like switching 'enviorements' on one key stroke.
..I am always like using 2 workspaces for a(ny) task. (so i need another 2 for a second task! but however, I am fine with 4 workspaces (btw the first thing i change after reinstall)). best example is for the use of idle (phyton interactive shell). I write in the editor, and I want the output on another workspace. I avoid using the mouse (which is charming on older thinkpads w/o touchpads), so tint aint the ideal option. besides it eats up screenspace.

There are Openbox keybinds to switch workspaces and you can install a different program for switching between programs too.

imp2021 wrote:

* the clipboard, the.. to explain that, I have to say, I am learning vim, which forces me into some weird CnP interactions, with register-interpretations, to learn.. And I miss(ed) Clipboard interactions in my normal workflow before. And it is not so obvious for me to use it on default. ..maybe the <ctr><alt>u shortcut on the conky shortcut to show would be sufficient. ..I actually using it now, but I might as well be here complaining with no solution. sry for that..

Unfortunately its still not clear what you want. Also what does <ctrl><alt>u do?

imp2021 wrote:

* Thunar.. ff, that thing!
Soooo, I am always in Ctrl+2 mode.. there is a column, that says 'Type'. (the one that says the filetype.. ) It seldom has more then 8 characters in it, except for symlinks or whatever.. But it is always way to large.. Just 3-8chr long, would be cool, but no, its like super large, and i have to scroll not nice. ..couldnt figure it.. tried it.. but

You can resize the columns if you wish. I think you can even resize it to zero (essentially hiding it) though I might be confused with SpaceFM.

th3pun15h3r wrote:

Is there any other real lightweight composite managers besides compton?

Maybe unagi?

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jeffreyC · 2014-06-06 23:08:04

anonymous wrote:

imp2021 wrote:
* workspaces related:
hmm... I donno the tech behind them, but I had 4 or 6 of them on my ubuntu system, so 2 rows, 3 columns at max. And it was a charm for switching them, for the down row had like say graphical stuff, like inkscape or games or something, and the upper row had the more sophisticated stuff, like email, wiki.. so it was always like switching 'enviorements' on one key stroke.
..I am always like using 2 workspaces for a(ny) task. (so i need another 2 for a second task! but however, I am fine with 4 workspaces (btw the first thing i change after reinstall)). best example is for the use of idle (phyton interactive shell). I write in the editor, and I want the output on another workspace. I avoid using the mouse (which is charming on older thinkpads w/o touchpads), so tint aint the ideal option. besides it eats up screenspace.
There are Openbox keybinds to switch workspaces and you can install a different program for switching between programs too.
imp2021 wrote:
* the clipboard, the.. to explain that, I have to say, I am learning vim, which forces me into some weird CnP interactions, with register-interpretations, to learn.. And I miss(ed) Clipboard interactions in my normal workflow before. And it is not so obvious for me to use it on default. ..maybe the <ctr><alt>u shortcut on the conky shortcut to show would be sufficient. ..I actually using it now, but I might as well be here complaining with no solution. sry for that..
Unfortunately its still not clear what you want. Also what does <ctrl><alt>u do?
imp2021 wrote:
* Thunar.. ff, that thing!
Soooo, I am always in Ctrl+2 mode.. there is a column, that says 'Type'. (the one that says the filetype.. ) It seldom has more then 8 characters in it, except for symlinks or whatever.. But it is always way to large.. Just 3-8chr long, would be cool, but no, its like super large, and i have to scroll not nice. ..couldnt figure it.. tried it.. but
You can resize the columns if you wish. I think you can even resize it to zero (essentially hiding it) though I might be confused with SpaceFM.
th3pun15h3r wrote:
Is there any other real lightweight composite managers besides compton?
Maybe unagi?

Already has a Debian package (and is in Arch too)
Only tested with AwesomeWM ? (Probably works anyway)

HELPME · 2014-06-07 20:24:32

list of standalone cm

ONEr · 2014-06-14 17:36:59

when Janice

Head_on_a_Stick · 2014-06-14 17:54:06

ONEr wrote:

when Janice

When ready

Sector11 · 2014-06-14 18:15:28

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

ONEr wrote:
when Janice
When ready

first comes Jessie .. and Debian says when Jessie is ready then comes Janice when corenominal gets it ready.

olegabrielz · 2014-06-16 18:16:16

Please.. just keep it simple. Don't change to much.
In my opinion the beauty of #! lies in it's simplicity..!!

Sector11 · 2014-06-16 20:20:04

olegabrielz wrote:

Please.. just keep it simple. Don't change to much.
In my opinion the beauty of #! lies in it's simplicity..!!

+1

#!_828 · 2014-06-17 02:13:27

Sector11 wrote:

olegabrielz wrote:
Please.. just keep it simple. Don't change to much.
In my opinion the beauty of #! lies in it's simplicity..!!

+1

What I've been saying all along

jeffreyC · 2014-06-17 03:21:44

#!_828 wrote:

Sector11 wrote:
olegabrielz wrote:
Please.. just keep it simple. Don't change to much.
In my opinion the beauty of #! lies in it's simplicity..!!

+1
What I've been saying all along

+1

“Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication.”
― Leonardo da Vinci

“Our life is frittered away by detail. Simplify, simplify.”
― Henry David Thoreau, Walden and Other Writings

“Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius — and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction.”
― E.F. Schumacher

“It is not a daily increase, but a daily decrease. Hack away at the inessentials.”
― Bruce Lee

lcafiero · 2014-06-17 03:26:54

jeffreyC wrote:

“It is not a daily increase, but a daily decrease. Hack away at the inessentials.”
― Bruce Lee

That's a good name for a distro: Bruce Lee Linux (to go with Chuck Norris Linux, or Chux)

Alad · 2014-06-17 05:25:35

Crunchbang is not simple. GTK3, Network Manager, pulseaudio, udisks, ... ]:D

CrunchBang Linux

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