Ideas for Janice

dot|not · 2014-05-22 05:35:55

cloverskull wrote:

Plus, this idea of not using a firewall...do you have any idea how easy it is to compromise a router or switch?

How does that matter? Man-in-the-Middle (or other nasty things) is possible with or without you running a firewall.

cloverskull · 2014-05-22 06:55:36

dot|not wrote:

cloverskull wrote:
Plus, this idea of not using a firewall...do you have any idea how easy it is to compromise a router or switch?
How does that matter? Man-in-the-Middle (or other nasty things) is possible with or without you running a firewall.

Yeah, true, I guess we should just throw out all of our ideas about security since someone somewhere can compromise whatever we do.

OR, we can make that more difficult for an attacker and protect ourselves as best we can.

Bearded_Blunder · 2014-05-22 10:10:09

There *is* a firewall, if you don't like it change it, if you want an extra program to make it easier to use instead of learning how to use it apt-get the program, in any group of 4 Linux users there will be 5 opinions on which is the best front end plus one user who wants a different base program...

Nobody suggested omitting iptables from the distro, so I skip configuring it, I'm behind a home built router that's a separate purpose built Linux firewall/router distro, with my wlan on a different network, so I'm comfortable with the risk I've chosen by not bothering. If I take my almost never used laptop to another location, I'll bother then, but I'll bother to use iptables to do it.

Using what's there now has the advantage that you actually *think* about what security you need and set it, rather than just pushing a big
| Make me (hopefully) safe |
button with little or no thought about what it does, but that button is where easy front ends lead, then it's one more step to Windows firewall.

dot|not · 2014-05-22 12:57:45

// Edit: Pointless.

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jalexander9 · 2014-05-22 17:20:19

Previous posts have been merely suggestions. The debate on merits of single packages and applications are welcomed, I presume?
This can become a valuable learning experience - encouraging deeper research and collaboration! No pain, no gain....

Bearded_Blunder · 2014-05-22 22:08:42

jalexander9 wrote:

Previous posts have been merely suggestions. The debate on merits of single packages and applications are welcomed, I presume?
This can become a valuable learning experience - encouraging deeper research and collaboration! No pain, no gain....

It's all fair game according to post #1 Suggest away...
There'll still be 5 opinions for each 4 users, but it's the boss that will decide...
I looked at ufw (along with some alternatives) it doesn't look that much easier than iptables anyway
If the object is to make it easy for the mobile computing brigade maybe the graphical version
If the object is to learn Linux, then why learn ufw, why not learn iptables and be able to set up security on virtually any distro, since they nearly all use iptables whatever front end they put on it?
Just don't like half-measures my personal opinion..

Alad · 2014-05-22 22:43:59

Firewalls are nice but...

sudo netstat -tulpn
sudo aptitude purge <service>

Disable ipv6 while you're at it.

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Bearded_Blunder · 2014-05-22 23:40:09

Alad wrote:

Firewalls are nice but...
sudo netstat -tulpn
sudo aptitude purge <service>
Disable ipv6 while you're at it.

Agreed, removing unused services beats hiding them behind a firewall, anything that isn't there can't be exploited by definition.
Not so worried by IPv6 my ISP doesn't support it, neither does my wireless access point (too old) and I'll notice anyone breaking in to plug in wired 8o

Head_on_a_Stick · 2014-05-26 10:09:35

How about including the debian-handbook package (or even the full pdf of the Debian Administrators Handbook) & an entry in the openbox menu to browse it...

iMBeCil · 2014-05-26 10:54:09

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

How about including the debian-handbook package (or even the full pdf of the Debian Administrators Handbook) & an entry in the openbox menu to browse it...

Why?

damo · 2014-05-26 11:27:57

iMBeCil wrote:

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
How about including the debian-handbook package (or even the full pdf of the Debian Administrators Handbook) & an entry in the openbox menu to browse it...
Why?

Because it would seem to be a reasonable addition to an updated Help & Information pipemenu, which at the moment is years out-of-date and isn't enabled in a default installation. ATM new users have only this forum and/or their own savvy to help them, and some don't even know the name of the window manager, never mind where to go to configure it.
Update and re-enable cb-help-pipemenu

Head_on_a_Stick · 2014-05-26 12:25:51

iMBeCil wrote:

Why?

Because Knowledge Is Power

speedy_86 · 2014-05-26 12:32:21

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

iMBeCil wrote:
Why?
Because Knowledge Is Power

And power corrupts...but I concur that this would be a good idea for anyone (I just downloaded it myself to put on my ereader and my iPad...).

iMBeCil · 2014-05-26 14:00:13

^,^^,^^^: I don't think that the listed reasons are enough ...

I agree that the debian-handbook is very good source of information, and as such good stuff for (some) new users, but then there is plenty of stuff which are good for new users ... and, lo and behold, one ends up with, say, Ubuntu and Mint. Or XFCE and KDE. Not the way #! should go IMHO. But of course, maintainer will say final words about that ...

Bearded_Blunder · 2014-05-26 16:05:21

I'm not sure that providing an information source results in Ubuntu, providing GUI tools for everything maybe, but not a guide book, giving people chance to read isn't the dumbing down approach.

iMBeCil · 2014-05-26 19:10:57

^To be precise, I was '(over)extending' damo's argument:

ATM new users have only this forum and/or their own savvy to help them, and some don't even know the name of the window manager, never mind where to go to configure it.

But, never mind ... No harm done. Let's go back on topic.

(What I wanted to point out (once more) is that it would be much more helpful to see not only the request, but also the argument for that request. Often, it is too easy to state an opinion, but much more difficult to argument it correctly.)

damo · 2014-05-26 19:14:00

iMBeCil wrote:

...snipped
(What I wanted to point out (once more) is that it would be much more helpful to see not only the request, but also the argument for that request. Often, it is too easy to state an opinion, but much more difficult to argument it correctly.)

+1
Fair point

Head_on_a_Stick · 2014-05-26 20:01:57

iMBeCil wrote:

What I wanted to point out (once more) is that it would be much more helpful to see not only the request, but also the argument for that request. Often, it is too easy to state an opinion, but much more difficult to argument it correctly.

Fair enough, my reply was too glib...
I would argue that the debian administrators handbook is an indispensible guide for all users (whether newbies or not) to understand better the workings of their system. It would relieve the burden of support from the forums, especially in relatively trivial matters such as package management & system updates/upgrades. At the moment, the resources of a #! user are limited to the forums & auntie duckduck: what happens when their internet connection fails? The inclusion of a pdf version of the handbook would amount to ~30MB of extra data in the DVD/USB and a trivial entry in the openbox menu --- a small outlay with a generous return

anonymous · 2014-05-26 21:20:37

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

I would argue that the debian administrators handbook is an indispensible guide for all users (whether newbies or not) to understand better the workings of their system. It would relieve the burden of support from the forums, especially in relatively trivial matters such as package management & system updates/upgrades.

But would people actually read it or just skip straight to posting on a forum?

lcafiero · 2014-05-26 21:33:47

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

I would argue that the debian administrators handbook is an indispensible guide for all users (whether newbies or not) to understand better the workings of their system. . . . The inclusion of a pdf version of the handbook would amount to ~30MB of extra data in the DVD/USB and a trivial entry in the openbox menu --- a small outlay with a generous return

I would agree with Head_on_a_Stick on this. However, whether people would actually read it is another thing. But whether they read it or not, it's there if someone is looking for help and want to try to do it on their own.

Sector11 · 2014-05-26 21:48:32

anonymous wrote:

But would people actually read it or just skip straight to posting on a forum?

BINGO! My first thought as well. I think maybe in the cb-welcome it would be a great addition.

Those that know what it is/represents and will read it will get it.

New users to Linux that like to read will get it, new users that don't like reading or don't know have the opportunity to get it easily.

Mind you is a simple apt-get away.

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lcafiero · 2014-05-26 21:52:11

Sector11 wrote:

Mind you is a simple apt-get away.

That's how I got it.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2014-05-26 22:18:19

Sector11 wrote:

Mind you is a simple apt-get away.

...if you know it even exists

lcafiero · 2014-05-26 22:26:44

Well, I hope making the link in a sticky in Off Topic will help.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2014-05-26 22:38:59

^ yes indeed, good work @Icafiero

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