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#1201 2014-01-05 06:11:00

pvsage
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Re: Ideas for Janice

ew wrote:

But I agree that it would be much cleaner if the Crunchbang look and feel didn`t depend on a Crunchbang-repo. Especially in scenarios where people upgrade to unstable. If Crunchbang was configured only by using packages from the Debian-repos, then the look and feel would stick trough release-upgrades...

I think that the CrunchBang repos *are* essential to maintaining the look and feel of CrunchBang; I'm just dubious of the need for binaries in said repos.  Considering how much of the look and feel are handled by text files, images, and an icon set...

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#1202 2014-01-07 01:14:29

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Re: Ideas for Janice

Just keep it minimal as it already is.

ps. tied with Openbox of course ]:D


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#1203 2014-01-07 22:38:09

samZ0rp
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Registered: 2013-12-18
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Re: Ideas for Janice

new themes for ob
and changeing tint 2 and conkey
and change the browser from icemonkey to something even lighter


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#1204 2014-01-07 22:50:49

damo
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Re: Ideas for Janice

samZ0rp wrote:

new themes for ob
and changeing tint 2 and conkey
and change the browser from icemonkey to something even lighter

There are million OB themes out there - all easy to install. Which do you suggest?

IMO the default tint2 and conky are ugly and uninteresting (except the keybinds in conky are a clever intro for new users). As a #! noob this made me immediately want to find out how to change them to something I preferred, which led on to OB themeing...... ( - and the rest is history smile)

I haven't got icemonkey on my system - is it in the repos? tongue
For those with low spec hardware it is easy to install what you need


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#1205 2014-01-09 19:42:57

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Re: Ideas for Janice

Update and re-enable cb-help-pipemenu

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#1206 2014-01-09 22:26:40

kols
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From: Norway
Registered: 2013-03-22
Posts: 151

Re: Ideas for Janice

saneks wrote:

- some tool for adjusting power consumption (fan fullspeed and too hot again..sigh)
- disable touchpad while typing

I've written a script for that, If you're interested! I also have a way of running it through keyboard shortcuts.

#!/bin/bash

touchpad=`xinput list | grep -i touchpad | awk '{print substr($6,4,2)}'`
trackpoint=`xinput list | grep -i trackpoint | awk '{print substr($6,4,2)}'`

select yn in "Both touchpad & trackpoint" "Touchpad" "Trackpoint" "Neither touchpad or trackpoint"  ; do
    case $yn in

                "Both touchpad & trackpoint" )
                xinput enable $touchpad
                xinput enable $trackpoint
                ;;
                "Touchpad" )
                xinput disable $trackpoint
                xinput enable $touchpad
                ;;
                "Trackpoint" )
                xinput disable $touchpad
                xinput enable $trackpoint
                ;;
                "Neither touchpad or trackpoint" )
                xinput disable $touchpad
                xinput disable $trackpoint
                ;;
        esac
done

exit 0

EDIT: Well, I realize now that what YOU want is an automation of turning off touchpad once the keyboard is active. This script does NOT do that, it simply turns touchpad/trackpoint on and off on command.

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#1207 2014-01-09 22:35:27

Kinch
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From: Inside the Beltway USA
Registered: 2014-01-09
Posts: 6

Re: Ideas for Janice

As a n00b I approach a thread like this with fear and trembling, but here's what I think, based on my experience with #! so far.

I think it goes without saying that nearly everyone will customize it to taste, I certainly did. IMHO the question of which apps to include is less important than that things be functional and easy to change. I agree with damo that it's easier to add things than to remove them. I removed gnumeric on the first day that I installed #!, months ago, but only in the last few days did I remove the [deprecated] bonobo libraries that are only used by gnumeric. A certain amount of such cruft is inevitable (at least for n00bs), but why encourage it?

Removing things like gimp, abiword and ... really, any kind of application where people will have strong preferences ... could shrink the distro and, in my less-than-fully-informed opinion, make customizations easier. Emphasize adding in rather than taking out.

How far to slim things down is a matter of opinion, of course. Me, I wouldn't even include a browser (except maybe for local files) or email client, but I don't expect anything to do things my way out of the box anyway. smile  But no browser or email could be a bit much. [This may already be an option in the welcome script, I only used it the once and don't recall it well.]

One thing I think would be worth considering is some kind of an introductory document describing #!  ... not "introductory" in the sense of who Linus Torvalds was, Linux != Windows and such, but something like "here's what's installed by default, here are what repos are set up and basic information on changing them, here are some choices that many people will want to make when setting things up". That kind of thing. It need not be handholding, anyone past their first distro knows that 'nix favors the "joy of discovery" (so to speak), but maybe "here's how we do things around here could be helpful.

Anyway, FWIW, there it is.

I'm sure that whatever gets produced, I will use it and like it.

regards,

K

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#1208 2014-01-09 22:53:27

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Registered: 2011-11-24
Posts: 5,434

Re: Ideas for Janice

Why do so many people think my name is gimpbanger?  sad  8.(


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#1209 2014-01-09 23:11:09

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Re: Ideas for Janice

damo wrote:

Why do so many people think my name is gimpbanger?  sad  8.(

Maybe you should change it wink

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#1210 2014-01-09 23:12:46

Kinch
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Registered: 2014-01-09
Posts: 6

Re: Ideas for Janice

damo:

Oops. My apologies. Correction made.

If other people are doing it, I can hope it's not incipient dementia.

regards,

K.

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#1211 2014-01-10 01:16:37

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Registered: 2008-11-29
Posts: 9,419

Re: Ideas for Janice

damo wrote:

Why do so many people think my name is gimpbanger?  sad  8.(

Well it is more interesting than "damo"  tongue

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#1212 2014-01-10 18:02:46

nore
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From: Lakeland
Registered: 2009-11-28
Posts: 740

Re: Ideas for Janice

damo wrote:

IMO the default tint2 and conky  ... made me immediately want to find out how to change them to something I preferred, which led on to OB themeing......

It means they have fulfilled their mission. That's why defaults should be usable but dull.

damo wrote:

Why do so many people think my name is gimpbanger?

You must admit it's better than being called Die Hard or Member.

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#1213 2014-01-10 18:19:50

damo
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Registered: 2011-11-24
Posts: 5,434

Re: Ideas for Janice

nore wrote:
damo wrote:

IMO the default tint2 and conky  ... made me immediately want to find out how to change them to something I preferred, which led on to OB themeing......

It means they have fulfilled their mission. That's why defaults should be usable but dull.

Hmmm - maybe. At least it attracted me more than the xfce kindergarten look wink

nore wrote:
damo wrote:

Why do so many people think my name is gimpbanger?

You must admit it's better than being called Die Hard or Member.

And definitely better than Junkie tongue


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#1214 2014-01-10 18:49:59

nore
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Re: Ideas for Janice

damo wrote:

And definitely better than Junkie

You swallowed the bait. big_smile

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#1215 2014-01-10 21:35:29

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Posts: 5,434

Re: Ideas for Janice

nore wrote:
damo wrote:

And definitely better than Junkie

You swallowed the bait. big_smile

I didn't want to disappoint you O:)


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#1216 2014-01-11 22:27:52

jeffreyC
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Registered: 2010-09-02
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Re: Ideas for Janice

A question for the systemd advocates;

It looks quite likely that Debian itself will go with upstart, so what then ?

Several members of the committee are Canonical employees, and would want Ubuntu upstream to choose it.


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#1217 2014-01-12 12:44:37

vic
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Registered: 2009-02-13
Posts: 3,361

Re: Ideas for Janice

A bit off topic, sorry, but thanks jeffreyC for bringing it to my attention. Thought I should share it with the rest of you;

https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/upstart


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#1218 2014-01-12 13:25:20

Nebucatnetzer
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Registered: 2013-05-26
Posts: 211
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Re: Ideas for Janice

jeffreyC wrote:

A question for the systemd advocates;

It looks quite likely that Debian itself will go with upstart, so what then ?

Several members of the committee are Canonical employees, and would want Ubuntu upstream to choose it.

Well it won't disappear from the repos so one can just replace upstart with systemd.

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#1219 2014-01-12 21:35:21

jeffreyC
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Registered: 2010-09-02
Posts: 596

Re: Ideas for Janice

Since several of the posts in this have advocated Janice be built with systemd, how is Debian (which is the base of CrunchBang) possibly choosing upstart instead off topic ?
As to systemd still being in the repos, well, yes it is, but the newest in Debian is four releases behind current.


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#1220 2014-01-12 21:45:07

iann
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Registered: 2010-09-10
Posts: 720

Re: Ideas for Janice

I'm sure Corenomial is (or will be at the appropriate time) aware of such discussions, but for the rest of us:
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=108635

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#1221 2014-01-12 21:52:40

vic
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From: /grill
Registered: 2009-02-13
Posts: 3,361

Re: Ideas for Janice

@jeffreyC, sorry, my brain were off topic,  not you  big_smile


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#1222 2014-01-12 22:44:59

Nebucatnetzer
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Registered: 2013-05-26
Posts: 211
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Re: Ideas for Janice

jeffreyC wrote:

Since several of the posts in this have advocated Janice be built with systemd, how is Debian (which is the base of CrunchBang) possibly choosing upstart instead off topic ?
As to systemd still being in the repos, well, yes it is, but the newest in Debian is four releases behind current.

I don't know exactly what has be discussed here.
However it looks like Debian will be going with upstart atm.

Debian is always behind otherwise it wouldn't be so stable smile

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#1223 2014-01-13 02:39:30

ew
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Registered: 2012-09-27
Posts: 1,975

Re: Ideas for Janice

Well. If they improve upstart to match boot and shutdown-speeds with systemd, then I have no problem with it. But every Ubuntu-based distro has a terribly slow shutdown. That`s the main reason why I cant stand them. What they call it doesn`t mather, just give me instant shutdown. I can wait 1-2 seconds, but not any more.


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#1224 2014-01-13 06:25:58

Nebucatnetzer
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Registered: 2013-05-26
Posts: 211
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Re: Ideas for Janice

I just hope that the two guys from Canonical make their decission based on what's best for Debian and not what's the best for Ubuntu.

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#1225 2014-01-13 15:53:21

Kuno
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From: Osnabrück - DE
Registered: 2009-01-09
Posts: 674

Re: Ideas for Janice

Since upcoming pcmanfm-release 1.2.0 now supports dual pane view via F3, i'd suggest giving it a try again...
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