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#1 2013-07-01 04:13:50

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Le Tour, 2013

Tour fans and bikers, a place to post opinions and links. Here's hoping that doping controversies are starting to be a thing of the past. Screw you, Armstrong, you could have used your powers for good instead of evil.

What a crazy end to Stage 1, ASO really effed up on that one. And they fined the damn bus' team, obviously it was their fault.

Stage 2, leash your dogs people!

A big thanks to gutterslob for getting me up to speed on this years tour, I had lost some interest after all the doping crap.

So, Froome. Evans is looking very strong for a 36 year old, kudos to that chuckle-head (I have a hard time watching his interviews). Way to go Voeckler at age 32 with the ballsy break away today!

It looks like Contador and Andy Schleck have timed things well and are coming into physical and mental shape right on time. A big confidence boost for Schleck (my favorite current rider) today with his teammate's win.

I read a Contador interview where he sounded the most frank and focused I've heard him. And a Schleck interview where he said he and some other riders were scoping one of the later mountain descents and they couldn't believe the safety risk. If they fell at certain points they'd be falling 300 meters. ASO, get your crap together...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/peopl … 73812.html
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/schleck … -spotlight

Some hilarious quotes coming out of the first two stages, check Velonews, Steephill.tv and others for all the latest.

Random bike lust...
http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/06/ … ing_292596

Who am I missing as a contender?

Viva Le Tour!

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#2 2013-07-01 04:22:01

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hhh wrote:

Screw you, Armstrong, you could have used your powers for good instead of evil.

Look, he's said he's sorry and pulled a sad face. What more do you want?

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#3 2013-07-01 04:38:47

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OT to start, he's not in this years Tour, but OK. I wanted him to blow doping wide open when he was at the height of his popularity. Instead it was deny deny deny, and attack people who were telling the truth. Cancer awareness aside, he's an asshole. My opinion, of course.

On the other hand, if you can come back from cancer in your balls, intestines, lungs and brain to win 7 Tours, I want his drugs! Or at least a jetpack. It's 2013, where's my freaking jetback? Flying car? Something!


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#4 2013-07-01 15:52:04

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#5 2013-07-02 10:46:35

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hhh wrote:

On the other hand, if you can come back from cancer in your balls, intestines, lungs and brain to win 7 Tours, I want his drugs! ...

Well I guess he got cancer in the first place from doing drugs, knowing that taking steroids may give you testicular cancer...

By the way I am surprised that many people thought he was clean. I am not sure a single racer is clean in pro-cycling for that matter. I like this sport though!


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#6 2013-07-02 15:06:49

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kiiroitori wrote:

By the way I am surprised that many people thought he was clean. I am not sure a single racer is clean in pro-cycling for that matter.

Seriously. Doping has been going on for years in pro cycling. I thought it was pretty naive that people thought otherwise. Pharmstrong ain't alone, just an easy target.

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#7 2013-07-02 15:31:23

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The other day i was cycling my usual route and i was on pain-killers due to some teeth problem. And at the usual up-hill when my feet usually hurt, nothing, i did not even have to change the gear. So perhaps that's the way it got started, by tooth-pain? That also invalidates that old question: "How does the pill know which tooth is hurt?"

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#8 2013-07-02 18:32:00

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It came out yesterday that Cavendish has been fighting bronchitis, but boy was it a close time trial finish today.

An awesome photo from Stage 3...
http://www.steephill.tv/2013/tour-de-fr … X11942.jpg

-edit- In my OP, I chastised the Amaury Sport Organisation (ASO), the organizers of the TdF, for the last minute decision to have the race end at it's original finish line instead of 3km early to avoid the stuck bus, which was waved through the race finish late by race officials after the gantry had been lowered. Those decisions were made by the Union Cycliste Internationale (UCI) jury in cooperation with the ASO and  reversal of the first decision is what caused chaos on the course as some of the teams were already starting to launch their sprinters, causing a crash that injured Ted King and sent Tony Martin to the hospital.

"The UCI race jury and ASO, the owner of the Tour de France, should recognize that decisions they made on Saturday in Bastia directly caused King’s injury. It was their decision to wave the Orica-GreenEdge bus driver through the finish line after the gantry had been lowered. It was their decision to change the finish line to the 3km to go line, and then change it again, at the last minute, after the bus was moved. Several riders, including Mark Cavendish, have cited the back-and-forth confusion so late in the race, while teams set up for a field sprint, as the cause of the crash."
http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/07/ … age_293232

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#9 2013-07-02 22:42:58

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Was watching other stuff over the weekend (Assen MotoGP, Silverstone F1, Imola WSBK, Pikes Peak, Karting) and only just managed to catch up with Le Tour yesterday, during stage 3.

Yes, Stage 1 was a farce. The Orica-Green bus was one thing, but the fickleness with regards to the stage finish was the main atrocity. With just a bit more than 6 km to go (for the leaders)  the teams get word that the finish will be at the 3km-to-go mark (due to said bus being stuck), and then about 500m from the new finish point, they suddenly change their minds and tell the teams it'll finish at the original point, another 3.5km more to go. WTF?  Have these people ever ridden before, or do they employ the same officials that ran the show 100 years ago? You do not do that, ever!! Luckily it was a short stage. If not, the teams would be battling excess muscle lactation on the first day. Got to feel for Tony Martin after that crash. The TT's will be less of a spectacle without him around.

Stage 2 was pretty good, though. Sagan's been going pretty good so far. Full credit to Bakelants and his carpe diem attack. Couldn't have timed it any better even if I was playing a stage simulator. Great images too, like this one.

Cannondale have been working really well for Sagan since he signed, and they put Sagan in position for what I thought would be a win in Stage 3, so full props to Orica-Green's Simon Gerrans for stealing it at the line, and major credit to Deryl Impey for doing the work to put Gerrans in that position.

Sky really impressed me today during Stage 4. They didn't win, but considering that one of their Team TT pointmen, Geraint Thomas was riding with fractured pelvis (from the Stage 1 incident), finisheing third just a few seconds off the winners was a great result. This will do Froome a lot of good seeing as he's starting just about level with the leaders, just a few seconds behind. Can't say the same for BMC though, Cadel Evans and Tejay van Garderen losing more than 20 seconds today. Leaves them with a lot more ground to make up over the coming days. Same for Joaquim Rodriguez (Katusha), another one I expected to do better. Either way, thoroughly entertaining day for a TTT junkie like myself, though not quite as riveting as what we've had in the Giro this year.

Still early days. So far it's the teams that have the most pre-race recon work that have started strong (mostly Orica-GreenEdge). Real test will start the moment the riders hit the Pyrénées. That's where the fun begins.

Wish I was there. Maybe next century.

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#10 2013-07-02 23:00:38

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The other day i was cycling my usual route and i was on pain-killers due to some teeth problem. And at the usual up-hill when my feet usually hurt, nothing, i did not even have to change the gear.

Pain-killers have come a long, long way, especially in the last decade or so. I was watching a motorcycle Grand Prix over the weekend in Assen, Holland. One of the riders (the current World Champion, as a matter of fact) had a nasty fall at over 200 km/h in the rain during a practice session on Thursday and broke his left collarbone. He flew to Barcelona, had his collarbone mended (titanium plate + 8 screws) and managed to come back to race on Saturday, about 36 hours after the crash. He started 12th on the grid thanks to his practice times and finished 5th. That alone would have been astounding enough, but the fact that he was running at the same pace as the race leaders for the first half, while the pain-killers were still in effect is testament to how effective modern meds can be. Mind you, riding a GP bike is no easy task in itself. Riders from other lesser series (still seriously fit racers) have been offered tests on GP bikes, and one of them ended up with a dislocated shoulder from just riding around. The amount of load going through the upper-body is immense. There's no way he could've managed the first 12 laps the way he did on strength and adrenaline alone.


So perhaps that's the way it got started, by tooth-pain? That also invalidates that old question: "How does the pill know which tooth is hurt?"

While the current performance-enhancing drugs (afaik) don't have the ability to selectively pinpoint a location to work on, the dosage plays a big part. That's why many of the riders "micro-dose". Just enough so that it won't get detected by tests, and also just enough to flow up/down (depending on where it's administered on the body) to affect the desired muscles. Blood-doping is probably even more effective in this regard, since it relies of oxygen flow, so the most dope goes to the parts doing the most work. I'm sure there are other factors at play, like muscle-density and the type of cells found throughout the human body and whatnot. I wasn't much of a horny perv in high-school (late bloomer) and didn't pay much attention in biology class, so most of this stuff is beyond me.

In the future (it might be happening already?) we'll probably be dealing with doping nano machines that are programmed to seek out different regions (no viagra jokes, pls) and work at selected times, possibly escaping the body once the job is done. Of course, the testers will then introduce policing nano machines to counter that.....and then the Japanese will make an anime called "Ghost in the Cyclist" ._.

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#11 2013-07-03 01:33:41

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It is blasphemy for anyone other than Bianchi to make bikes in a color that close to celeste, n'est ce pas? smile

I haven't had time to follow le Tour this year... chalk it up to a cross-country move and a new job and a new-old house that have me rather busy. The one thing I miss in all of this is my old commute... 23mi/36km of cycling a day that is now only 8mi/13km. sad


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#12 2013-07-03 02:36:43

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^Maybe so, but note that that's the bike RadioShack Leopard are riding this year, see gutterslobs photo link. And funny you should say that, the bike I almost linked to earlier is a Bianchi... in black and white! (This bike is selling for about 2500 USD, not 7 large.)
http://www.bianchiusa.com/bikes/road/co … thena-eps/

And check out the bitchin' disc brakes on their 2014 bikes...
http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/06/ … ine_290601

11.5m twice a day five days a week is pretty hardcore, especially if it's on busy roads. The most I ever did was your new commute, and a lot of that was through Tyler State Park in Pennsylvania. Abeit very hilly, often icey, and I almost drowned one night trying to carry my bike across the severly flooded river (waist high on this walkway, and very swift. I almost got sucked into the culverts beneath it, so stupid of me)...
http://www.naturallyamazing.com/americasparks/13623.jpg

I salute you!

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#13 2013-07-03 04:56:29

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Continuing off-topic (from Le Tour, anyway), but dayum, you two have me beat big-time - the longest commute I had as a cyclocommuter was 7.4mi, and that was because my car had died (and I could no longer afford the insurance) after I had taken that particular job (slinging tacos at a rather infamous fast-food chain).  I hafta admit, though, that one time I rode ~34mi to Chapel Hill for a house concert I was feeling pretty hard-core...felt considerably less hard-core after the ride back... :8  (This was on one of those cheap $100 box-store beater mountain bikes, just before I put a motor on it. ]:D )

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#14 2013-07-03 13:41:06

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pvsage wrote:

Continuing off-topic (from Le Tour, anyway), but dayum, you two have me beat big-time - the longest commute I had as a cyclocommuter was 7.4mi, and that was because my car had died (and I could no longer afford the insurance) after I had taken that particular job (slinging tacos at a rather infamous fast-food chain).  I hafta admit, though, that one time I rode ~34mi to Chapel Hill for a house concert I was feeling pretty hard-core...felt considerably less hard-core after the ride back... :8  (This was on one of those cheap $100 box-store beater mountain bikes, just before I put a motor on it. ]:D )

Sooo... I'm in the area now, huh? smile


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#15 2013-07-03 14:47:37

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Well, we share an area code, at any rate. wink  I've never really been secretive about where I live...if there's a bright center of the Triangle, I'm in the town that it's farthest from. ]:D

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#16 2013-07-03 17:14:24

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So I spent my lunch time catching up...  ]:D

I can't wait for the mountain stages, they always make for good competition. Looks like the sprinters have a couple more days to go before the climbers get their turn.

Now back to the rest of cycling, I have been on my singlespeed almost exclusively since I moved to NC. 
a) the rolling terrain is fun at 39x16 and
b) if it's only 4 miles to work (3 if I take the short way), my usual cyclocross bike is kind of overkill.

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#17 2013-07-04 05:48:12

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#19 2013-07-04 11:19:50

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You guys are so... white.

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#20 2013-07-05 04:57:42

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^Lots of Brady Bunch as a kid will do that to you. My first LP record was "Love Will Keep Us Together" by The Captain & Tennille.


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#21 2013-07-05 08:47:46

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i was gonna drop in that they - 'le tour' ride right near us, in normandy. i think i'll be out of the country when they ride by, anyway.

oh I mountain bike to work as well. an easton shiny thing, has about a million gears (XTC, or something?) that needs regulating. and some road tires. and mudguards. this is normandie after all. anyhoo roll
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#22 2013-07-11 16:54:20

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Not gonna give a stage-by-stage rundown like I previously did, since no one seems to be reading this thread, but I just had to post a shout-out to Marcel Kittel and the Argos-Shimano team in today's sprint stage. I don't think I've seen anyone out-kick Cavendish in that manner, especially considering it was Cav who jumped first. Awesome stuff, and full credit to Kittel. I expected Argos-Shimano to be the most improved team this year, but not to this extent. They've come a long way in such a short amount of time.

Cav's probably screaming at his bike and mechanic right about now, like he always does.  My money's on that crap Sram drivetrain/groupset that Specialized employ. Wouldn't have had problems if they'd used Shimano or Campagnolo kit. =P

Pity for the Lotto-Belisol guys though, with that crash taking out almost half their squad.


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#23 2013-07-13 04:42:32

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I'm still checking this thread, hoping for something better than old riders and doping. I miss my days in Baltimore, I had a bunch of drinking buddies who were hard-core bike messengers (fixies only) and we'd watch the Tour together and talk about it for hours. I don't know anyone in my area with any interest, and it's making it tough to keep up this year.

I didn't see yesterday's race till a later repeat broadcast, hence no comment til now. Cavendish was pretty gracious in his post-race interview, not blaming anyone or anything and stating he just wasn't the best rider out there that day. The look on his face at the finish line did say something different though. Very Wicked Witch-ish. I didn't hear anything about a mechanical failure for him.

What I want to know is how the hell Evans and Schleck got so far back? I must have missed something critical. Only Contador is currently in any position to take out Froome, even with Froome's reduced support team.

The bike profiles that Velonews have been doing are great. Today's is Valverde's Pinarello Dogma...
velonews.competitor.com/2013/07/gallery/pro-bike-gallery-alejandro-valverdes-pinarello-dogma-65-1_294893


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#24 2013-07-13 12:49:13

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we'll see how it plays out ... but ....  really ... just one person is that much more dominate.


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#25 2013-07-13 13:51:36

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hhh wrote:

What I want to know is how the hell Evans and Schleck got so far back? I must have missed something critical.

Basically, it was Stage 8 - the one where Sky did a demolition job on nearly everyone.  Schleck lost more than 3min, while Evans lost 4min. Then came the Stage 11 ITT - the one that Martin won (major props, since he was carrying that injury from the opening day) and Froome finished second - Evans lost a further 2min while Schleck lost almost double that.

The other reason is that Radioshack and BMC have just been slow to react to many situations this year. Tactics have been extremely aggressive this tour, particularly after Stage 8. You see almost half an entire team (like Saxo the other day) trying to box in Froome and his lead-out for almost the entire distance, which in turn holds up the any other team who was planning a breakaway.

Kudos to Cavendish for bouncing back yesterday, btw. He's been taking the piss - literally and figuratively - these last few days.

A bit disappointed in the Colgano-Europcar team this year as well. Yohann Gene has been pretty consistent, but his team just lacks the experience to put him higher. Really wanted to see Kévin Reza and Yukiya Arashiro do better after their heroics earlier. Would've been nice seeing non-white people up the order for a change.

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