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#1 2013-02-16 09:20:30

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#2 2013-02-16 10:14:30

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Yet another reason for people to choose to use FOSS.

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#3 2013-02-16 11:06:20

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This is a pretty dickish move. With Office 2010 Home and Student, you get three licenses (not tied down to hardware) for less than 200 dollars. This pretty much covers 90 percent of small business needs anywhere in the world. I don't see how they plan to sell their new "features" to be honest, it's probably just gonna be one of those marketing campaigns which negate reality. Small businesses make about 90 percent of businesses in the Western and the developing world, where people actually pay for the software.

It's so interesting watching Microsoft concede the entire world to Google. I mean, it's not like they had to, but the shunning of carriers and partners in the mobile space, the throwing of money into markets where they can't possibly compete, abandoning their cash generating products for ridiculous lock-in deals...

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#4 2013-02-16 11:21:16

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#5 2013-02-16 11:53:09

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#6 2013-02-16 12:55:03

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#7 2013-02-16 13:31:36

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#8 2013-02-16 13:58:36

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#9 2013-02-16 14:01:59

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No and I agree with you about usage etc. However, the terms of the license would limit the ability of small businesses to formally complain to Microsoft about the change. Their best bet is to switch to LibreOffice wink

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#10 2013-02-16 14:44:12

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Well, OK, Home and Business 2010 isn't that much expensive. It's 220 for two seats. So, for 440 you pretty much have an SMB covered for 10 years or so. 10 years of Office per subscription is more than twice as expensive (you do get an additional seat, but who cares). I really don't see how Microsoft imagines to lure customers in. The money itself isn't the issue here, 600 dollars is chump change for businesses, but you need to provide customers with some kind of incentive (all of their cloud BS is completely unimportant for people who think of the computers as the "hard drive" and dread updates as much as anything else having to do with the "hard drive").

Compare this to something like Google Docs, which lets you use it as much as you want, for free, with zero issues regarding setup, EULAs, Genuine Advantage, the bazillion dollars per year for your "IT guy" if you're unlucky enough not to have an employee with computer skills... I mean, Apple has perfected this thing where they keep milking you and you're somehow grateful for it, but it was never one of Microsoft's strong suites.

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#11 2013-02-16 15:01:38

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gdocs for free is also free of support and free of claims for service interruption, and data damage/loss. sure, most of us use it as is, but for serious business applications you either switch to google apps (paid, free for <=10 users), ms office 365, or go offline.

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#12 2013-02-16 15:35:26

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#13 2013-02-16 18:06:02

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> The only thing left for them is the "serious business" argument, which essentially means format lock-in

sure. my guess and anegdotal evidence is that most ms clients are still ms clients due to legacy - proprietary formats and vendor locked-in custom software. let's look at another example - there are quite a few municipalities that switched most of their administration apparatus to linux, but let's face it - while in the long run it's a safe bet, in the short run is a huge investment and a political risk, and in many environments there is a practice of not lifting a finger without proper lobby pressure. ms may be losing the cool kids to webapps and thin clients, but I can bet a huge bottle that ms has their ass covered for a few more very long years in corporate and administration.

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#14 2013-02-16 19:34:03

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#15 2013-02-16 19:53:18

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M$ ... dikish you say ??!?!? NEVER ... errrr, well they've actually elevated dikish bizness practices to an artform. Long since been SOP ( standard operating procedure.) for em, shrugs.

Pointlessly agreeing with the person who said "one more reason to look @ FOSS alternatives." Why people haven't long since done so ... I dunno. Guess they like paying too much for crappy software and/or have someone else paying the bill for crappy software. ie: US taxpayers and equivalent around the world.

In that context, it really doesn't matter how much it costs, how good it is etc/ so forth. When someone else is paying for it and M$ is dishing out fat kickbacks for using it to the select few. It's not like "decision makers" have much reason to care what's going on. As long as they get their cut of course ... More shrugs.


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#16 2013-02-16 23:15:52

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#17 2013-02-17 08:18:41

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#18 2013-02-17 08:24:29

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#19 2013-02-17 08:38:07

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Yup, and as I re-read it I realise I've got it the wrong way around. It should be: If the developers raise their game, maybe more people will come over.

Writer is pretty well fine as far as I can tell, but calc is really a rather poor imitation of excel (though it pains me to say!)

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#20 2013-02-18 10:51:57

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#21 2013-02-19 19:58:51

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#22 2013-03-04 15:05:41

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When will the LibreOffice team update the suite's UI? It looks rather depressingly Office '97-ish...
Sure, it works, but with all other UI's in the GNU/Linux world looking as slick and modern as they do, LO or OOO sticks out like a sore thumb.

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#23 2013-03-04 22:32:54

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#24 2013-03-04 22:44:02

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I've been using LibreOffice at home since long before they they forked it, but I have to admit that enterprise doesn't have that option - depending on your needs. My business leans heavily on Access database for many home-grown databases, and LibreOffice doesn't fulfill that need. Sure, if you know MySQL you can roll your own, but the average office worker doesn't have the training or the know-how to deal with open source. Try converting an MS office database, with all the Visual Basic built-in into LibreOffice and let me know how that works for you.


Linux _is_ user-friendly. It is not ignorant-friendly or idiot-friendly.

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#25 2013-03-04 22:45:45

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