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#1 2012-06-14 17:29:20

kelean
#! CrunchBanger
Registered: 2009-01-21
Posts: 180

Non-pae kernel option?

I have a Dell latitude d800 laptop I would like to run Waldorf on.  The problem is that the iso for it is only a pae kernel.  So I cannot run it.  I have the same problem with Ubuntu.  This seems to be a trend that support for non-pae processors.  I am currently running Linux Mint Maya mate edition.

Are there any plans for a non-pae kernel iso or am I just SOL.

I have been testing Waldorf on my desktop and like it very much and will install it when I have more time.

Thanks Kelean.

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#2 2012-06-14 18:07:04

Awebb
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Re: Non-pae kernel option?

It's not just a trend. Debian has been using bigmem kernels for about a year now per default. As a short disclaimer, I only remember having read this and I have not been using either Debian or 32bit systems for a while.


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#3 2012-06-14 18:20:39

pvsage
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Re: Non-pae kernel option?

I'm fairly certain there are no plans upstream for Debian to provide a non-pae kernel in any build of the Linux kernel from 3.0 on up. sad  Looks like RHEL has non-pae builds of the latest kernels, but that's about it.

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#4 2012-06-16 00:19:18

kelean
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Re: Non-pae kernel option?

What I was trying to say is that there are non-pae kernels available of the i386 and i486 versions.  But the problem is that the pae kernel is the default.  Mint 13 uses the i486 kernel non-pae kernel as default.  Then if you need the pae kernel you can install it later.

I guess I am whining a little.  We do not have a lot of money to spend on newer more modern computers.  I had just bought this laptop which is way better than the last one I had.  I thought I had done good and now am getting left behind because of odd/crappy hardware.  So once again I get to settle on an operating system that I would rather not run.

Sorry for whining and thanks for listening.  Kelean,

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#5 2012-06-16 00:25:11

pidsley
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Re: Non-pae kernel option?

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#6 2012-06-16 00:37:48

kelean
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Posts: 180

Re: Non-pae kernel option?

Thanks pidsley I have tried anti-x before but not on the latitude laptop.  I will download it and give it a try.

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#7 2012-06-16 00:41:19

pidsley
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Re: Non-pae kernel option?

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#8 2012-06-16 01:07:08

TitanMech
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Re: Non-pae kernel option?

@kelean

Some time ago a member needed a version of crunchbang that supported his i486 cpu, the current versions didnt support this, the solution was to download an older version, then replace the sources and preferences list with that of the newer version.

Then when running apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade the entire system was updated to the newer version.
This would be easier than doing debian net-install or anti-x.

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#9 2012-06-16 01:12:26

pidsley
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Re: Non-pae kernel option?

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#10 2012-06-16 01:18:16

TitanMech
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Re: Non-pae kernel option?

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#11 2012-06-16 01:22:54

pidsley
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Re: Non-pae kernel option?

I think anti-x also has base and full systems that use the 486 non-pae kernel (it's not just in core), but that's what I'm researching now. I wish anticapitalista would show up, he'd know for sure.

"There are many roads to Dublin..." smile

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#12 2012-06-16 01:26:28

TitanMech
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Re: Non-pae kernel option?

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#13 2012-06-16 02:13:50

pidsley
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Re: Non-pae kernel option?

Last edited by pidsley (2012-06-16 02:51:33)

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#14 2012-06-16 04:54:07

kelean
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Registered: 2009-01-21
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Re: Non-pae kernel option?

Thanks for all of the input everyone.  I have downloaded the testing antix 12 version and also the M11 version. Tomorrow I will put them on a usb stick ant test them on my machine and see what happens.  I will concider installing an older version of crunchbang and upgrading to waldorf.

Once again thanks for all the input and links, Kelean

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#15 2012-06-16 07:43:49

Awebb
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Re: Non-pae kernel option?

We knew this day would come when papa smurf decided to drop the i486 build. Debian could at least provide a non-pae kernel on the install disk.

Or corenominal could. I'm not sure how flexible his installer framework is, but maybe a "normal" 32bit installer is possible, which installs the standard pae kernel, if the user does not manually intervene. So one could at least install Crunchbang and chroot into it later from a boot CD to change the kernel. This could be as easy as selecting the kernel in that grub (?) menu in the beginning. I'll send him a message and bring this thread to his attention.


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#16 2012-06-16 08:02:41

SabreWolfy
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Registered: 2009-03-09
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Re: Non-pae kernel option?

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#17 2012-06-16 12:30:37

Milozzy
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Re: Non-pae kernel option?

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#18 2012-06-16 21:03:46

kelean
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Registered: 2009-01-21
Posts: 180

Re: Non-pae kernel option?

I am currently running Anti-x 12 testing version.  It is running the Linux antiX1 3.3.5-antix.1-486-smp #1 SMP Wed May 9 16:44:25 EEST 2012 i686 GNU/Linux.  So far so good

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#19 2012-06-16 21:32:11

SabreWolfy
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Re: Non-pae kernel option?

I tested antiX 12 Live base out too. Tried out all of the window managers. Looks very cool.

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#20 2012-06-16 23:07:17

pidsley
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Re: Non-pae kernel option?

Last edited by pidsley (2012-06-16 23:23:09)

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#21 2012-06-17 19:03:49

kelean
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Posts: 180

Re: Non-pae kernel option?

Very cool desktop pidsely..  I am still doing some reading and trying to take it all in.  I have been busy and reading the links posted.

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#22 2012-06-17 19:14:18

pidsley
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Re: Non-pae kernel option?

^ I'm just happy you found a kernel that works with your laptop. smile

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#23 2012-06-17 19:30:29

kelean
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Registered: 2009-01-21
Posts: 180

Re: Non-pae kernel option?

^I can any kernel as long as it is not pae enabled.  I can run Statler but my point was that I am not able to newer versions.  Like Ubuntu and Walforf.  There are a couple of others I have tried but don't remember the names.  The problem is that support for non-pae kernels is going away in the near future.

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#24 2012-06-17 19:37:35

pidsley
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Re: Non-pae kernel option?

^ yes, that was the point of going to antiX -- I believe they will continue to support non-PAE kernels.

antiX v12 uses Debian testing sources, so it's not that much different from Waldorf under the hood...

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#25 2012-06-17 19:54:17

kelean
#! CrunchBanger
Registered: 2009-01-21
Posts: 180

Re: Non-pae kernel option?

^Okay, thank you for clarifying.

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