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#1 2011-10-14 11:49:38

HMW
#! CrunchBanger
From: Sweden
Registered: 2011-10-09
Posts: 199

When (and if) to update?

Hi all!

Under the various *buntus, you as a user are prompted for security updates at regular intervals. Is there a similar functionality under #!/Debian?

If not, is it wise to manually do a

sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade

from time to time?

Best,

HMW

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#2 2011-10-14 12:13:16

mobilediesel
#! Member
Registered: 2010-08-19
Posts: 73

Re: When (and if) to update?

HMW wrote:

Hi all!

Under the various *buntus, you as a user are prompted for security updates at regular intervals. Is there a similar functionality under #!/Debian?

If not, is it wise to manually do a

sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade

from time to time?

Best,

HMW

I have update-manager and update-notifier installed and added update-notifier to ~/.config/openbox/autostart.sh
It tells me when there are updates like Ubuntu does.

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#3 2011-10-14 12:16:08

HMW
#! CrunchBanger
From: Sweden
Registered: 2011-10-09
Posts: 199

Re: When (and if) to update?

mobilediesel wrote:

I have update-manager and update-notifier installed and added update-notifier to ~/.config/openbox/autostart.sh
It tells me when there are updates like Ubuntu does.

Ah! Smart. And the updates, do they *ahem* tend to break things under #!, or are they safe - in general?

Thank you for posting!

HMW

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#4 2011-10-14 12:33:16

dubois
The Old Codger
From: Missoula, Montana
Registered: 2010-09-03
Posts: 2,238

Re: When (and if) to update?

Generally safe, especially if you stay with stable.  Testing and so-called unstable [Sid] are different but there are a couple guys here who seem to know them inside out.  Squeeze, which CrunchBang is based on is incredibly stable and as a general rule I've only had issues with if it I poked it with a stick.  tongue

There's a really good summary over at Debian about these three that one of the moderators likes to post -- let me get some coffee in me and I'll see if I can find it for you.  Unless he posts it first or you find it yourself.

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#5 2011-10-14 12:41:22

HMW
#! CrunchBanger
From: Sweden
Registered: 2011-10-09
Posts: 199

Re: When (and if) to update?

dubois wrote:

Generally safe, especially if you stay with stable.  Testing and so-called unstable [Sid] are different but there are a couple guys here who seem to know them inside out.  Squeeze, which CrunchBang is based on is incredibly stable and as a general rule I've only had issues with if it I poked it with a stick.  tongue

There's a really good summary over at Debian about these three that one of the moderators likes to post -- let me get some coffee in me and I'll see if I can find it for you.  Unless he posts it first or you find it yourself.

Ok. Well, I'm running stable - so it shouldn't really be a problem then. The reason I ask is because when I used Ubuntu, I experienced some odd things after updates that I would like to not have to endure again, if possible.

Thanks for replying!

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#6 2011-10-14 12:58:07

dubois
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From: Missoula, Montana
Registered: 2010-09-03
Posts: 2,238

Re: When (and if) to update?

Add those programs mobilediesel mentioned and go about your day.  If and when updates occur you'll be notified or pick a day of the week and do it manually.  wink

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#7 2011-10-14 13:03:31

dubois
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From: Missoula, Montana
Registered: 2010-09-03
Posts: 2,238

Re: When (and if) to update?

Here's something to read  http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-choosing.en.html  especially part 3.1.5

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#8 2011-10-14 13:42:32

mobilediesel
#! Member
Registered: 2010-08-19
Posts: 73

Re: When (and if) to update?

Like dubois said, with the stable repository there generally aren't many (if any) problems when you update. I think Ubuntu uses the Debian unstable repository.

The update manager and notifier just make your computer do what computers are supposed to do: remember stuff so you don't have to. I also use Osmo and Remind to tell me stuff so I don't have to remember birthdays. big_smile

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#9 2011-10-14 15:16:13

machinebacon
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From: China
Registered: 2009-07-02
Posts: 6,826
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Re: When (and if) to update?

Even if you run unstable, things don't "generally" break. Unstable means that there are up to 4 updates a day, so the fluctuation is higher than in stable. I have found testing to be more "unstable" (in LMDE). In the near future you would get security patches, Squeeze has gone 6.0.3 last weekend, so after upgrading there will be silence for a few weeks (I think Stater is still based on 6.0.1 so an upgrade from the February iso will pull some megabytes)


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#10 2011-10-14 15:23:41

el_koraco
#!/loony/bun
From: inside Ed
Registered: 2011-07-25
Posts: 4,749

Re: When (and if) to update?

HMW wrote:

And the updates, do they *ahem* tend to break things under #!, or are they safe - in general?

Unless you have a proprietary ATI or Nvidia driver you installed from the website, nothing will break, ever.

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#11 2011-10-14 16:43:33

pvsage
Internal Affairs
From: North Carolina
Registered: 2009-10-18
Posts: 13,970

Re: When (and if) to update?

^ Not true.  I recently lost audio on my netbook with the default Squeeze kernel.  Didn't even notice until I decided to boot to it instead of Liquorix to see if I'd get a little more battery life.  (Sound works fine with Liquorix 2.6.36, but not 2.6.32...weird.)  All the mixer faders are there in alsamixer; there's just no output with the Squeeze kernel.  I distinctly remember that sound was not an issue immediately after installing.

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#12 2011-10-14 17:21:30

Awebb
The Singularity
Registered: 2009-07-23
Posts: 2,812

Re: When (and if) to update?

Everytime update uncertainty shows up in a Debian-driven community, I feel the urge to tell the tale of a king, his realm and a shiny hero.

Once upon a time there was a magic land, where updates came to every house only a few days after upstream released a new stable version. Those stable upstream versions were held in the King's yard until the King could be sure they'd be clean enough to be kept inside. They were trained a little to sleep and eat and poop in the right places, so they wouldn't mess with the inventory. They were then given to a true gentleman, who went from house to house and from barn to barn to offer the latest, stable, clean and trained packages. Sometimes one of the packages didn't feel well in the homes of some people, they started to eat the inventory or even other packages, but the people of the magic land did not have fear, as they knew their hero, the true gentleman, would make sure they would be removed properly and soon, when the King was done with them, deliver new and fixed packages. The people of the magic land knew, that this could happen, as they had it for themselves at least once, but everybody knew, that with a little patience one could train the package by himself, if it was so urgent, that waiting for the hero to return was impossible. Everyone was happy, because this didn't happen too often, some said it to be only once or twice a year with a rather unimportant package, so the King and the hero were proud about their work.

The King of the magic land had a good relationship to the circle of elders of a huge empire, which also loved bringing packages to their people. What the King found curious, is that they cared a great deal about that never a single package would ever poop into the wrong folder or break another package's toes. The elders slowed down the arrival of new packages and they kept them for weeks, sometimes months in their yard to train them and modify them so they'd not only would not break, but get along with the other packages and look like them. The elders even returned packages to their yard if the people said they didn't work well for them. Every few years, there was a festival, when all the new packages were brought to the houses and barns of the people. They appreciated it very much, had the packages been in their posession for such a long time and not a single time did one of them break apart. The empire's distributor, however, was not a gentleman. The elders had to declare a whole agency responsible for the distribution. The agency was big, the people did not understand all the things it did and sometimes the agents were unfriendly and harsh and pushy, but always correct and with justice. The people liked the agency for the most part, as it gave them a feeling of being safe.

This was the tale of the King of Arch, his hero Pacman, the Empire of Debian and the mighty APT agency.


I'm so meta, even this acronym

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#13 2011-10-14 18:11:19

HMW
#! CrunchBanger
From: Sweden
Registered: 2011-10-09
Posts: 199

Re: When (and if) to update?

Thank you all for your replies (and to Awebb for the... novella!). Much appreciated!

Best,

HMW

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#14 2011-10-14 18:36:29

cbdxs
#! Die Hard
From: Capital Wasteland
Registered: 2011-08-03
Posts: 1,898

Re: When (and if) to update?

Nice story Awebb.


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#15 2011-10-14 18:57:53

el_koraco
#!/loony/bun
From: inside Ed
Registered: 2011-07-25
Posts: 4,749

Re: When (and if) to update?

pvsage wrote:

^ Not true.  I recently lost audio on my netbook with the default Squeeze kernel.

3.6.32 is not being maintained properly anymore I think, so that doesn't surprise me.

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#16 2011-10-14 19:10:30

dubois
The Old Codger
From: Missoula, Montana
Registered: 2010-09-03
Posts: 2,238

Re: When (and if) to update?

el_koraco wrote:
pvsage wrote:

^ Not true.  I recently lost audio on my netbook with the default Squeeze kernel.

3.6.32 is not being maintained properly anymore I think, so that doesn't surprise me.

Not true.  It was just updated a few days ago.  SEE  http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20111008  and I've got it on my netinst.

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#17 2011-10-14 19:19:37

el_koraco
#!/loony/bun
From: inside Ed
Registered: 2011-07-25
Posts: 4,749

Re: When (and if) to update?

I mean upstream. I think I read something about that, the lead maintainer said he was dropping it, but others were supposed to pick up the maintenance.

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#18 2011-10-14 19:37:14

dubois
The Old Codger
From: Missoula, Montana
Registered: 2010-09-03
Posts: 2,238

Re: When (and if) to update?

el_koraco wrote:

I mean upstream. I think I read something about that, the lead maintainer said he was dropping it, but others were supposed to pick up the maintenance.

Ah.  That is news. When you get some spare time would you post me a link -- no hurry.  smile

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