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#1 2015-09-20 22:39:59

poulain
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RC1 test and suggestions

I was very happy when I discovered an iso was available because I was afraid by the git repository (too complicated for me).
So I installed it and I noticed some issues I would like to share. If I find the solution, of course, I will post it here. I you want any precision or want me to reproduce any issue or look in some log, ask me.

When scrolling on the empty desktop, we can see as many little icons as desktops (default is two). The current used to be black and the others gray in #!. But both are black here.

By the way, how can I get the menu to add/delete a new virtual desktop ? I got it once by trying right click and other things but have been unable to reproduce it : a right click on the tint bar just shows the menu.

Maybe conky shows the shortcut but after resume, it disappears (I tried "reload conkys" from the menu unsuccessfully).

I think there is too much space between icons in the tint bar.

I would like not having to login after resuming from sleep but just login at startup. I tried menu->preferences->power management->system->unchecked lock screen when sleeping but this has no effect (works under another debian xfce install).

So I tried changing lightdm.conf, uncommenting autologin-user=username but at startup, no login is required and when the computer sleeps, login is required at resume!

I am also looking for a way to propose the last login at startup (I changed greeter-hise-users=false) but had not restarted yet, will see if this works.

You might have notice I am not good at english, how can I enable the support of another language ? I mean some programs are in my language (geany) whereas others aren't (iceweasel). If there is a place where I can propose translations for what is Bunsen Labs specific, I can try.

When I use my laptop special key to mute, I cannot unmute with the same key. I have to open alsamixer... I have the same problem with my other debian xfce install though.

I had to manually enable the double pointer ability on my touchpad (in autostart) but it does not work after resuming from sleep (for what I have noticed) whereas the horizontal double pointer scrolling works! It looks like double pointer is not really well supported and this might be why it was not enabled ...

Is there a plugin for thunar to have the same tree ability as in nautilus (when you click the arrow that is before the folder name, you can recursively see the contents of sub folders) ?

Is it possible to map the super key in order to display the menu (or something else that would be configurable) ?

Pressing the power button should display the menu but it is not the case (nothing happens) ; Works under debian xfce (but with another computer). I know the signal sent by pressing such buttons can vary with computers.

In terminator, is there a keyboard shortcut to scroll line by line ?

Is there a keyboard shortcut to emulate a right click ?

Is gigolo really useful ?

I want to congratulate all the people who developed Bunsen Labs because except points I mentioned earlier, everything work fine and many things where enhanced since #!

Thank you.

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#2 2015-09-20 23:41:18

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Re: RC1 test and suggestions

poulain wrote:

I was very happy when I discovered an iso was available because I was afraid by the git repository (too complicated for me).
So I installed it and I noticed some issues I would like to share. If I find the solution, of course, I will post it here. I you want any precision or want me to reproduce any issue or look in some log, ask me.

Thank you for the feedback smile

Many of your questions relate to settings for openbox, the tint2 panel and keybinds. I suggest you use the Help menu to see how to configure these (links to wikis etc). Most are not "issues", but are your personal preferences, so you will have to configure them yourself.
Many Openbox settings, eg the number of desktops, can be configured by running obconf.

Some of your "issues" aren't specific to BunsenLabs, and google will get answers to most of them wink
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When scrolling on the empty desktop, we can see as many little icons as desktops (default is two). The current used to be black and the others gray in #!. But both are black here.

This is set by the theme being used. Try other themes, or edit the OSD section in the <theme>/openbox-3/themerc file.
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By the way, how can I get the menu to add/delete a new virtual desktop ? I got it once by trying right click and other things but have been unable to reproduce it : a right click on the tint bar just shows the menu.

Use obconf (Menu...Openbox -> GUI Config tool)
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Maybe conky shows the shortcut but after resume, it disappears (I tried "reload conkys" from the menu unsuccessfully).

Don't know what you mean here
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I think there is too much space between icons in the tint bar.

So edit the padding values in the tint2rc config file
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When I use my laptop special key to mute, I cannot unmute with the same key. I have to open alsamixer... I have the same problem with my other debian xfce install though.

One way which might work is to get the name of your mute key with the xev command, then make a keybind to toggle the sound on/off. Add this section to rc.xml:

    <keybind key="">
      <action name="Execute">
        <startupnotify>
          <enabled>true</enabled>
          <name>Toggle mute</name>
        </startupnotify>
        <command>amixer set Master toggle</command>
      </action>
    </keybind>

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Is it possible to map the super key in order to display the menu (or something else that would be configurable) ?

Super+Space should already show the menu. Yes you could map the Super key to show the menu, but then you wouldn't be able to use in combination with anything else.
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Pressing the power button should display the menu but it is not the case (nothing happens)

Why "should" it?
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In terminator, is there a keyboard shortcut to scroll line by line ?

Try Control-Shift-Up/Down (keypad arrows).
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Is there a keyboard shortcut to emulate a right click ?

You will need to bind a key to use xdotool. Try adding this to rc.xml:

<keybind key="<your key>">
  <action name="Execute">
    <command>xdotool click 3</command>
  </action>
</keybind>

This works as r-click in application windows, but I find that it doesn't work on the desktop .
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Is gigolo really useful ?

It obviously is for those who use it tongue

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#3 2015-09-21 00:08:00

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Re: RC1 test and suggestions

poulain wrote:

By the way, how can I get the menu to add/delete a new virtual desktop ? I got it once by trying right click and other things but have been unable to reproduce it : a right click on the tint bar just shows the menu.

A middle click will do this (clicking with the scroll wheel on a mouse, or pressing both trackpad buttons together should do it on a laptop).


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#4 2015-09-21 01:18:34

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Re: RC1 test and suggestions

Hi poulin, thanks for your feedback - it is appreciated!

poulain wrote:

how can I enable the support of another language ? I mean some programs are in my language (geany) whereas others aren't (iceweasel).

I guess from your name, your preferred language might be French? So if geany displays in French, this means you already have your locale set correctly. For Iceweasel (and some other big apps), unfortunately, this isn't enough - you also need to install a separate language pack. If you want French, then

sudo apt-get install iceweasel-l10n-fr

will get it.

If there is a place where I can propose translations for what is Bunsen Labs specific, I can try.

At the moment all BunsenLabs user interfaces are in English only. However, in the future we might try some internationalization. It's rather complicated, though, and we first have to choose a framework, so this is not likely to happen soon! At that time we will be grateful if you can provide some translations. Thank you for your offer. smile


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#5 2015-09-22 21:08:25

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Re: RC1 test and suggestions

Thank you for your answers.
I tried changing themes with no effect. I don't have any themerc file either.
But I had to abandon any further investigation because my PC had become unusable!
Everything became slow, I really don't know why.
So, I disabled every optional lines in autostart (conky, compositor, ...).
I noticed there where something like apt-xapian-update where running in the background so I did apt-get remove apt-xapian-update.
I did also apt-get upgrade : linux-image was installed by the process.
What I noticed is that X process always takes about 30% to 60% of the CPU power.
The command htop show is /usr/bin/X :0 -seat -seat0 -auth /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 -nolisten ...
I did also use gsmartcontrol to be sure the hard drive was ok.
Why is the problem happening now ?
How can I find what is wrong ?
I tried looking at the log in /var/log, nothing seemed wrong but I'm really not an expert ...

Thank you.

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#6 2015-09-22 22:27:38

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Re: RC1 test and suggestions

poulain wrote:

Thank you for your answers.
I tried changing themes with no effect. I don't have any themerc file either.

You have LOTS of themerc files! How did you try to change themes?
For Openbox:    Menu -> Preferences -> Openbox -> GUI Config Tool
For GTK:            Menu -> Preferences -> Appearance

To edit a theme, copy the theme from /usr/share/themes/ to ~/.themes. As I said before the themrc file is <theme name>/openbox-3/themerc

(See Menu -> Help -> Openbox for links to documentation and HowTo's)

(After any changes, you need to reconfigure/restart Openbox)

But I had to abandon any further investigation because my PC had become unusable!
Everything became slow, I really don't know why......

I think we need some more information, like:
What is your hardware?
When the system was sluggish, were you running Iceweasel or Synaptic?


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#7 2015-09-23 07:43:02

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The hardware is a laptop Compaq 6730b.
I never started Synaptic, never used it and did not know it was installed on the system (but it makes sense since xapian... was installed).
Of course, using iceweasel is the main goal but even while not started, everything is really slow (eg. just trying to change the theme was a burden).

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#8 2015-09-23 14:47:40

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Re: RC1 test and suggestions

Did it run slow in Live mode, before you installed it?


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#9 2015-09-23 21:15:34

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Re: RC1 test and suggestions

I did not run the live mode before installing.
But what I've just tried it : it's slow (the same) !
The question is why it became sluggish only few days after the install.
I have to admit that it used the laptop used to run Windows and I changed the system because it became slow.
So if it is hardware related do you have any idea of what could I do to troubleshoot ?
I tested another live (handylinux), and I was able to use iceweasel to browse the web. But if it is an hardware and moreover erratic ...

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#10 2015-09-24 05:56:36

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Re: RC1 test and suggestions

The favourite hardware slowdown is usually a hard drive on it's last legs, wouldn't explain an exessively slow live session, but running live sessions is notoriously slow anyway.
Laptop hard drives are particularly prone to damage from bumps or sudden movement, and will sometimes cause slowdowns as the drive firmware is busy doing retries on reads to get a good one, my usual approach with that is to boot any available Linux live session then

sudo badblocks -svn /dev/sdX

where X is the drive in question, usually sda.
If that shows more than one or two errors, then it's certainly time for a new drive, if no errors are shown, it's still remarkable how many times the machine in question speeds up appreciably (even windows boxes) when booted back to the main OS.
Be aware that it can take days to complete over huge modern drives though.

Booted laptops with mechanical drives should be handled the way you would a tray with a bowl of soup on it, changes in orientation cause gyroscopic effects which can distort the platters while they're spinning enough to cause head crashes, or data to be written slightly off track. Running badblocks as indicated with the machine sat on a nice level surface will ensure all data is readable, and is freshly written back centrally to the data track with maximum chance it will subsequently read first time, with no delays for retries or the drive trying to map in replacements for damaged sectors.

I always run badblocks on used laptops that come into my possession for this reason. You have no clue how the previous owner treated them while running.


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#11 2015-09-24 17:54:55

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Re: RC1 test and suggestions

Pass completed, 0 bad blocks found. (0/0/0 errors)

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#12 2015-09-24 18:41:25

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Re: RC1 test and suggestions

Bearded_Blunder wrote:
sudo badblocks -svn /dev/sdX

where X is the drive in question, usually sda.

Must keep this in mind.

Bearded_Blunder wrote:

Be aware that it can take days to complete over huge modern drives though.

250 to 500GB would take?  A nice guesstimate would do.

 24 Sep 15 | 15:32:21 ~
    $ hdd
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 500.1GB (21.3% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: WDC_WD5000AAKX size: 500.1GB serial: WD-WCC2EMF62817 temp: 40C
           Optical: /dev/sr0 model: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-H10L rev: LL12 dev-links: cdrom,cdrw,dvd,dvdrw
           Features: speed: 48x multisession: yes
           audio: yes dvd: yes rw: cd-r,cd-rw,dvd-r,dvd-ram state: running
Bearded_Blunder wrote:

... trying to map in replacements for damaged sectors.

I resentresemble that remark!


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#13 2015-09-24 21:02:33

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Re: RC1 test and suggestions

Who wants to laugh ?
It was the AC adapter (not genuine). On battery, everything is fine ...
In fact, I have to admit I already noticed some strange behavior (on another computer) with this AC adapter (shaking pointer while using the touch pad).
Don't know what smiley is appropriate ...  8.(  roll  mad  big_smile

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#14 2015-09-24 21:04:13

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Re: RC1 test and suggestions

When all else fails - blame the hardware! Glad you got it sorted out smile


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#15 2015-09-24 21:15:46

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Re: RC1 test and suggestions

poulain wrote:

Who wants to laugh ?

Don't know what smiley is appropriate ...  8.(  roll  mad  big_smile

This one: The Secret Smile AKA: The Secret Smile

Good stuff glad you got it sorted.

Unless of course you want a rib-tickling, knee-slapping laugh: haha_sm.png


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#16 2015-09-24 21:32:18

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That's the smiley I was looking for!
So now, I have to find a quality replacement adapter that is not more expansive than the laptop itself and then I will be able to pursue my experiments with BunsenLabs!
Have you ever seen such a problem due to the power supply ?

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#17 2015-09-24 22:06:27

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Re: RC1 test and suggestions

@Sector11 last time I ran badblocks in non destructive r/w mode on my mum's pc (320 GB hard drive) it took circa 7 hours attached to a SATA 2 port SATA 3 would be faster.. SATA 1 slower, and PATA I don't want to think about..

@OP glad you got it sorted.

Unlike my issues in another thread, where I can't get Bunsen, or vanilla Jessie, or Wheezy to see my whole hard drive chopped off at 137GB/128GiB, would you believe ETCH installs without issue and sees the full 250GB, without even passing boot parameters, can't seem to get any recent distro to see the lot though .... still investigating.


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#18 2015-09-24 23:00:38

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Re: RC1 test and suggestions

Bearded_Blunder wrote:

@Sector11 last time I ran badblocks in non destructive r/w mode on my mum's pc (320 GB hard drive) it took circa 7 hours attached to a SATA 2 port SATA 3 would be faster.. SATA 1 slower, and PATA I don't want to think about..

Had to Startpage to find out what I have:

 24 Sep 15 | 19:44:56 ~
    $ dmesg | grep -i sata | grep 'link up'
[    1.943308] ata2: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus 123 SControl 300)
 
 24 Sep 15 | 19:44:58 ~
    $ 

Guess I'm looking at an over-nighter if I need to do this.  Thank you.


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