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#1 2015-08-25 22:40:51

MsMattie
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From: Rocky Mountains
Registered: 2013-11-30
Posts: 55

Use Windows 10 to Spy on your Kid, or your employees...

I find it hard to believe people put up with this but apparently it is the new normal...fom BoingBoing.net below. I also read but don't know if it is true, that Windows 10 harvests the directory and file names off the entire hard drive(s) and sends that file name info it back to MS. Thus they can track and presumably delete pirated software, games, etc if they so wish in the future...

from BoingBoing.net

Kirk writes, "This weekend we upgraded my 14-year-old son's laptop from Windows 8 to Windows 10. Today I got a creepy-ass email from Microsoft titled 'Weekly activity report for [my kid]', including which websites he's visited, how many hours per day he's used it, and how many minutes he used each of his favorite apps."

I don't want this. I have no desire to spy on my boy. I fixed it by going into my Microsoft account's website, hitting the "Family" section, then turning off "Email weekly reports to me" and "Activity reporting".

OK, I admit that the timing might be coincidental but that would be one hell of a coincidence. I've never seen anything like this until we upgraded to Windows 10, and then I got the spy report the following business day.

A message to young readers: if you have Windows 10 now, your parents might be getting the same kind of report I did. Don't assume your own computer has your back.


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#2 2015-08-25 22:44:01

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Re: Use Windows 10 to Spy on your Kid, or your employees...

I had the Windows 10 preview installed for a while and I thought the emails about activity on the child accounts was the single best thing about it.

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#3 2015-08-25 23:17:12

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Re: Use Windows 10 to Spy on your Kid, or your employees...

Good thing I have a technophobic mother.  tongue

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#4 2015-08-26 01:14:44

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Re: Use Windows 10 to Spy on your Kid, or your employees...

IDK. If I had a young teenqager, I probably wouldn't care to receive this kind of report. Could be  unnecessarily awkward. After all, what benefit could either of us possibly receive from my familiarizing myself with my son's favorite porn websites? If you were a parent, would you feel comfortable having your parents browse through this kind of private history? I wouldn't. I wouldn't feel comfortable violating my kid's privacy that way, either. Gotta grant a little trust. Some things aren't family territory. Privacy is important, especially for teenagers...


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#5 2015-08-26 02:14:33

Anaconda
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Re: Use Windows 10 to Spy on your Kid, or your employees...

That kind of spying and reporting should absolutely be opt in and not opt out. One more reason to chuck anything Microsoft to the curb. I find it disappointing that so many people still don't understand this or even care.

jdonaghy wrote:

Privacy is important, especially for teenagers...

I agree 100% and any parent who violates this without a very good reason should be severely reprimanded by the rest of society, in order to emphasise that this should not be acceptable normal behaviour.

If your kids, especially teenagers, have not given any cause for concern, then show them some respect.

Note to Microsoft, show your users more respect. Oh wait, that's too much to ask isn't it?


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#6 2015-08-26 08:36:59

intoCB
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Re: Use Windows 10 to Spy on your Kid, or your employees...

Children who have not been naughty have nothing to fear.

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#7 2015-08-26 08:41:31

intoCB
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Re: Use Windows 10 to Spy on your Kid, or your employees...

Advice to babies: Your parents may have installed a listening device in the room where you sleep. Switch to Linux and learn about encryption now !

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#8 2015-08-27 07:48:53

Temetka
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From: California
Registered: 2014-08-25
Posts: 179

Re: Use Windows 10 to Spy on your Kid, or your employees...

So....

I wonder since they can track this type of browsing habits and file analysis if the following scenario is capable of happening.


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Extremely Dark Scenario:
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This is a family-friendly forum and the scenario depicted was not consistent with this.

-- HoaS

So, whatcha think? Plausible that Microsoft can scan, identify and report to authorities in cases like this?

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#9 2015-08-27 08:24:24

Temetka
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From: California
Registered: 2014-08-25
Posts: 179

Re: Use Windows 10 to Spy on your Kid, or your employees...

Fair enough.

Here is the liberal Disney version. Clear channel approved.

Phil is a manager at a local grocery store. He works hard, receives good pay and is married to his wife of 14 years. He and his wife have 2 children. One in her junior year at high school and their son just having enlisted in the Marine Corps. Phil enjoys spending time with his family, going on vacation and worshiping at his local pentecostal church.

Phil also enjoys child porn. He has a large collection of it on his laptop. He browses various underground chat forums to trade pictures and video's with like minded individuals.

Phil recently upgraded his computer to Windows 10. He is enjoying the new speed of his computer and finds that Windows 10 is very easy to use.

A few months later while relaxing at home with his family, the FBI bust down the front door and storm the interior of his house. They find Phil and his family (including his son on leave after just having finished boot camp) getting ready to watch The Avengers. They drag Phil to the floor and read the list of charges against him before hauling him out of the house. They then sequester each family member and ask them various questions while a forensic technician secures Phil's laptops and any other digital storage device in the house for analysis back at the FBI lab.

It turns out Windows 10 scanned Phil's computer and found pornography. This is not uncommon throughout the world. But heuristic analysis flagged some of the files as suspicious. These file were then analyzed more closely. Once it was determined that the porn in question was child porn, Microsoft contacted the authorities.

Phil was subsequently arrested, and plead guilty to 1,781 counts of possession and distribution of child pornography.

Plausible that Microsoft can scan, identify and report to authorities in cases like this?

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#10 2015-08-27 10:39:08

intoCB
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Re: Use Windows 10 to Spy on your Kid, or your employees...

^Is that a defence of Windows 10? I would imagine you could catch all crime if you submitted everyone to universal surveillance. See 1984.

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#11 2015-08-28 01:48:38

vlax
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Re: Use Windows 10 to Spy on your Kid, or your employees...

holly crap  ]:D


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#12 2015-08-29 09:19:19

KrunchTime
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Registered: 2012-03-02
Posts: 3,264

Re: Use Windows 10 to Spy on your Kid, or your employees...

MsMattie wrote:

I find it hard to believe people put up with this but apparently it is the new normal...

Gmail, web browsing?

@jdonaghy & Anaconda:  I disagree with both of you.  As a parent, you are responsible for raising your child and you as a parent are responsible for their actions.  Just because they become a teen doesn't magically make that responsibility any less or go away.  Nothing a child does is off limits to a parent IMO.  And society isn't the best judge of what is normal behavior, especially now.

Spying at work by your employer...that should be a given as many explicitly tell you that they have the right to monitor your usage of work computers.  It's a possible lawsuit against the employer if you, the employee, go and view or do things that you shouldn't.

However, I will say that what Microsoft is doing is wrong and why I'm staying far, far away from Windows 10 and possibly any future versions as well.

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#13 2015-08-29 12:34:17

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Re: Use Windows 10 to Spy on your Kid, or your employees...

@KrunchTime  You are free to disagree of course, but I think if a parent is doing a good job raising their kids then they should not need to spy on them. I know when I was in my teens and my parents decided to do searches through my room and my things I was outraged at the lack of respect.

People have a natural need for a sense of privacy in there own space and effects, and being young and still at home with the family does not diminish that, nor should it. When my parents decided to start doing this I was not doing anything I should not have been doing and they should have showed me more respect than that.

This is not the same thing as checking up on them to see how they are doing. If the lines of communication between parent and child are such that the parents treat the kids like criminal suspects, even when the kids have done nothing to cause concern, then those parents have some serious issues.

Note: As a 54 year old man, I feel much the same way today about the govt and all the bullshit they try to use to justify increased spying on ordinary law abiding citizens. It's not right. Why should you and I be treated like criminals?


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#14 2015-08-29 13:14:01

Temetka
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From: California
Registered: 2014-08-25
Posts: 179

Re: Use Windows 10 to Spy on your Kid, or your employees...

Do you have anything to hide, citizen comrade?

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#15 2015-08-30 08:34:02

KrunchTime
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Re: Use Windows 10 to Spy on your Kid, or your employees...

@Anaconda:  Trust, but verify.   wink

I don't disagree with your last statement.  However, I've grown to dislike and distrust the government the older I've become.  When I was younger, I guess I was naive.

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#16 2015-08-30 09:56:43

Temetka
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From: California
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Posts: 179

Re: Use Windows 10 to Spy on your Kid, or your employees...

I've never trusted the government as far as I can recall. I'm 38 now and can remember not trusting them all the way back to my elementary school years (around 10 or 11 years old IIRC). My parents and family always took the time to talk about politics with the kids because they said we'd need to make decisions some day. They also presented all sides of a topic so as not to foster too much bias.

Now the way I see it is that the U.S. Government is corrupt from bottom to top and it isn't going to change any time soon. This 2 party system is really one party run by the lobbyists who work for the corporations. Who of course care diddly squat about the average citizen. Now with the spying, the 100 mile Constitution free zone, and so on. It won't be long before we have to show papers at checkpoints. I also assume I am on more than one watch list because I know they know that I know that they are corrupt and watch everyone all the time.

The smart phone is the biggest scam. Give almost every citizen an always on, always connected GPS tracker.

Sigh.

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#17 2015-08-30 14:26:05

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Re: Use Windows 10 to Spy on your Kid, or your employees...

What's bad in my case, I am taking a government class in college, and so far the professor insists that our government is wonderful and fair... I say BS to that.

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#18 2015-08-30 14:32:18

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Re: Use Windows 10 to Spy on your Kid, or your employees...

^ Wait? There's a subject/class for "Government"?! You studying to be a rapper or what?!


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#19 2015-08-30 16:50:03

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Re: Use Windows 10 to Spy on your Kid, or your employees...

gutterslob wrote:

^ Wait? There's a subject/class for "Government"?! You studying to be a rapper or what?!

it's called "political science", but I refer to it as government class. And no, definitely not, it's just a required class I must take against my will in order to be able to transfer to Uni.

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#20 2015-08-30 19:13:18

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Re: Use Windows 10 to Spy on your Kid, or your employees...

I have to agree with KrunchTime:

KrunchTime wrote:

@Anaconda:  Trust, but verify.   wink

I don't disagree with your last statement.  However, I've grown to dislike and distrust the government the older I've become.  When I was younger, I guess I was naive.

Kids - like adults - earn respect and trust.  That takes time and supervision, and not all "kids" are the same at the same age.

I thought I could trust my 17 year old alone for a week ... I came back a couple of days early - he had had quite the party according to my neighbours and the police.  Yup, I had to visit them too!  I won't go into the state the house was in but I have always hated the smell of stale beer and this was BAD!

We, my wife and I, share a "dumb phone", no camera, don't own a "smart" anything.  There is no web cam here, no microphone, no MyFace, Twit'er or other social network add on ... and best of all - no Windows.  Yea yea, I know they still have me because I am on the internet ...

the 100 mile Constitution free zone

Oh my - had to look that up ... just for the record for years I have believed (IMHO) that freedom is only a word in a dictionary - it does NOT exist!  What is true is that some places on the planet have less restrictions than others but freedom; it simply does not exist.

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#21 2015-08-30 19:36:53

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Re: Use Windows 10 to Spy on your Kid, or your employees...

Sector11 wrote:

just for the record for years I have believed (IMHO) that freedom is only a word in a dictionary - it does NOT exist!

Hey!! Don't take it out on the rest of us just because you went and got yourself monitored married.


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#22 2015-08-30 19:47:48

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Re: Use Windows 10 to Spy on your Kid, or your employees...

:8 OOPS!  Caught!   wink

Good one I owe you I'll get even someday.  O:)


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#23 2015-08-31 03:18:46

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Re: Use Windows 10 to Spy on your Kid, or your employees...

KrunchTime wrote:
MsMattie wrote:

I find it hard to believe people put up with this but apparently it is the new normal...

Gmail, web browsing?

@jdonaghy & Anaconda:  I disagree with both of you.  As a parent, you are responsible for raising your child and you as a parent are responsible for their actions.  Just because they become a teen doesn't magically make that responsibility any less or go away.  Nothing a child does is off limits to a parent IMO.  And society isn't the best judge of what is normal behavior, especially now.

Fair enough. I'm not a parent (far from it), so I"d be the first to assure you that I haven't any idea what I'm talking about.


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#24 2015-09-01 01:13:42

tknomanzr
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From: Heavener, OK
Registered: 2014-12-09
Posts: 777

Re: Use Windows 10 to Spy on your Kid, or your employees...

CSCoder4ever wrote:
gutterslob wrote:

^ Wait? There's a subject/class for "Government"?! You studying to be a rapper or what?!

it's called "political science", but I refer to it as government class. And no, definitely not, it's just a required class I must take against my will in order to be able to transfer to Uni.

Funny. My PS teacher served under the Nixon Administration and the first thing he wanted us to learn is that there is no such thing as "Moral Government." Government exists solely to perpetuate itself.

There was a point in time when my poor old mother whose brain has been damaged in a car accident got all tied up into laundering money for a Nigerian scam artist. I did install monitoring and keylogging software to assemble some kind of evidence against him and when I got what I needed, bundled it all up and sent it off to the FBI. Never heard a word from them. So while they are constantly busy monitoring everything under the sun, you can't get them to actually help out with a real problem.

I wiped that Windows drive and started a fresh install (didn't trust the uninstall program to actually get rid of all the monitoring software). All that stuff, when installed or built into the OS, present a vulnerability for the machine. It should really only be there in extreme cases such as what I mentioned above. I certainly don't want it a "Core" feature built into the OS. Given Microsoft's track record to date, do they really believe they can secure a keylogger? I know I'm not buying it.

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#25 2015-09-01 14:29:06

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Re: Use Windows 10 to Spy on your Kid, or your employees...

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