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#1 2015-07-02 11:12:10

xor
#! Die Hard
Registered: 2012-01-11
Posts: 775

manjaro i3

i have always been a big fan of the i3 window manager.
since the crunchbang project came to a halt, i have been curious about running a rolling release.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/manjaro … 3/2015.06/

these days a spare laptop at hand has given me the opportunity to make an experimental installation.
i say "experimental" here because i do not trust rolling releases for production systems/workstations/servers.
so far everything is running fine. the system is very slick and responsive.

manjaro's dark-colored setup (although with a tad accent of fresh green) reminds me of CB's glory days.
naturally i have disabled the bootsplash immediately for the benefit of seeing text messages during boot.

http://msiyer.com/2014/08/28/text-boot- … rch-linux/

so far, i'm very happy with it, running on kernel 3.18-15-1 atm.
coming from debian/CB, a few things are different here (e.g. pacman), but it's not a real problem.

i felt the need to post this here because i thought this might attract other users to give it a ride.
always happy to read some feedback... be it negative or positive. cheers !

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#2 2015-07-02 13:17:46

Colossal_Crunch
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Registered: 2015-05-06
Posts: 154

Re: manjaro i3

I think this looks pretty good. I'm still trying to figure out how to use Bunsen though, but it does look good. Maybe after I break this laptop a few more times I will give it a whirl.

Last edited by Colossal_Crunch (2015-07-02 13:18:09)

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#3 2015-07-02 15:52:41

CSCoder4ever
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Re: manjaro i3

Arch i3 > Manjaro i3

If you're going to use a rolling release distro, just use Arch, Manjaro's a mess!

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#4 2015-07-02 15:56:14

xor
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Re: manjaro i3

just in case, there are plenty versions out there...

the default XFCE release goes here:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/manjaro … s/release/

while the community releases are here:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/manjaro … community/

the choice is yours ! smile

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#5 2015-07-02 15:57:58

xor
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Re: manjaro i3

CSCoder4ever wrote:

Arch i3 > Manjaro i3

If you're going to use a rolling release distro, just use Arch, Manjaro's a mess!

LOL
if you say so...
but then, who cares ? wink

* i mean, manjaro just works OOTB, while Arch does not. now what ?

Last edited by xor (2015-07-02 16:13:32)

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#6 2015-07-02 16:15:13

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Re: manjaro i3

write a script so it can install Arch for you essentially

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#7 2015-07-02 16:17:43

xor
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Re: manjaro i3

no need to.
i just use what works.
no time to waste on system setup.
too many other customers... wink

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#8 2015-07-02 19:01:32

Head_on_a_Stick
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Re: manjaro i3

The only problem with Manjaro is that because it is rolling release, stuff *will* break (for example, `efibootmgr` & `efivar` are broken in Arch ATM) and when it breaks it is much more difficult and time consuming to troubleshoot and fix because the user is not familiar with the underlying configurations of the system.

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#9 2015-07-03 05:57:15

xor
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Re: manjaro i3

differences between manjaro and arch:

https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?titl … d_of_Beast

so, manjaro offers a lot more stability than arch.
aside from a simple installation, this is important for me.

a nice manjaro i3 video on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVCQtoQdHlM

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#10 2015-07-03 06:37:23

ohnonot
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Registered: 2012-05-22
Posts: 2,205

Re: manjaro i3

xor, i respect your decision, and it's true that installing arch takes a little time.
but, doesn't the necessity to remove features you don't like:
http://msiyer.com/2014/08/28/text-boot- … rch-linux/
invalidate that argument?
in arch, you only install what you want.

apart from that, all the arguments have already been brought up.

yes, you guessed right, i also think pure arch is better.

you quote manajro's own advertising as proof for its security - have you considered what arch users have to say about it?
i cannot find it now, but some time ago i came across a list of essential security updates that took just a few hours to make it into arch repos, and many weeks to get into manjaro repos.

i hope you're not starting to get pissed off now, i'm just discussing things in a friendly manner.

fwiw, i documented installing arch with i3 on an oldish netbook.

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#11 2015-07-03 06:51:52

Head_on_a_Stick
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Re: manjaro i3

xor wrote:

differences between manjaro and arch:

https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?titl … d_of_Beast

If I may...

The graphical "aids" are entirely unnecessary for anybody who knows how to use (or indeed prefers) the command line -- all the tools are just pointy-clicky front ends for CLI commands.

I don't want or need a graphical package manager, it obfuscates the situation and adds a layer of abstraction and more lines of potentially buggy code. I don't use Synaptic in Debian for exactly this reason.

In respect of their "dedicated" repositories, the situation is very similar to Debian Testing compared to Debian Unstable -- if something is broken in Unstable it gets fixed relatively quickly as new packages are pushed through whereas if something is broken in Testing it stays broken for at least 10-14 days.

For example, the recent kernel bug that caused corruption in ext4 filesystems on RAID0 SSDs using TRIM wasn't fixed in Manjaro & Antergos until ~7-14 days *after* Arch was fixed. So Manjaro users had their files corrupted for longer than Arch users despite the Manjaro developer's claims for greater stability.

I use Debian Unstable rather than Debian Testing for this exact reason wink

Anyway if you like it great, good luck to you but I prefer Arch  cool

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#12 2015-07-03 08:52:43

jdonaghy
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Registered: 2014-03-12
Posts: 925

Re: manjaro i3

Graphical package management front-ends certainly are less than a jaunt in the wicker ticker. So much simpler and quicker just to open a terminal. I wasn't aware Manjaro had its own graphical tools. I tried the Fluxbox version some time ago... It was there. Though I believe I had an issue with pacman-key? Maybe.

Bout to replace Debian on this laptop with something or another.


"If you can't control your peanut butter, you can't expect to control your life."
    --Bill Watterson

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#13 2015-07-03 13:16:04

xor
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Re: manjaro i3

ohnonot wrote:

xor, i respect your decision, and it's true that installing arch takes a little time.
but, doesn't the necessity to remove features you don't like:
http://msiyer.com/2014/08/28/text-boot- … rch-linux/
invalidate that argument?
in arch, you only install what you want.
[...]
i hope you're not starting to get pissed off now, i'm just discussing things in a friendly manner.
fwiw, i documented installing arch with i3 on an oldish netbook.

i'm not pissed off in any way. well, to each his own. wink
removing manjaro's bootsplash was a lot simpler than running through the whole arch installer.
i guess maybe one day i'll give arch another try, but not atm, and most likely not on a notebook.
you see, i don't live to install Linux each day. when it works, it's done for me.

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#14 2015-07-04 04:18:04

ohnonot
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Registered: 2012-05-22
Posts: 2,205

Re: manjaro i3

xor wrote:

you see, i don't live to install Linux each day. when it works, it's done for me.

i am like that, too. 8) which is the exact reason why i've been sticking with arch the last - well, is it 2 years already!

but hey, good luck with manjaro & i3!

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