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#1 2015-06-28 21:30:02

hudson
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How about Fluxbox instead of Openbox for BunsenLabs

I used Openbox on Crunchbang for years and was very happy with it. But, having to install Jessie myself, I've discovered that Fluxbox is much easier to configure and has much, much better local documentation (man pages) than Openbox. Hiding the toolbar and running tint2 gives the same look and feel.

Also, it might be nice to have a preconfigured tiling manager - xmonad, i3, notion, etc

EDIT: also, how about losing all gtk3.0 apps! can't resize them on the different *box wm's

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#2 2015-06-28 22:27:24

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Re: How about Fluxbox instead of Openbox for BunsenLabs

Because BunsenLabs is intended to be a "Debian Stable + Openbox" distro.


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#3 2015-06-28 22:56:40

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Re: How about Fluxbox instead of Openbox for BunsenLabs

Well, BunsenLabs could be a "Debian Stable + Fluxbox" distro

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#4 2015-06-28 23:06:34

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Re: How about Fluxbox instead of Openbox for BunsenLabs

hudson wrote:

Well, BunsenLabs could be a "Debian Stable + Fluxbox" distro

Yes, and my cat could learn to fly tomorrow, but it's unlikely.

If you want a Debian-based distro with Fluxbox as its default window manager, I'd recommend vsido.

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#5 2015-06-28 23:08:14

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Re: How about Fluxbox instead of Openbox for BunsenLabs

Well, right now I have a Debian stable install and I am running Fluxbox, so I'm fine.

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#6 2015-06-28 23:08:51

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Re: How about Fluxbox instead of Openbox for BunsenLabs

Great! Isn't "apt-get install" a wonderful tool?

(edit) For the record -- I agree with you about Fluxbox (except for the part about hiding the built-in toolbar and using tint2); frankly I don't understand why Openbox is so popular. But the people building BunsenLabs have chosen Openbox, so I think that ship has sailed.

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#7 2015-06-28 23:35:11

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Re: How about Fluxbox instead of Openbox for BunsenLabs

thanks for the reply porkpiehat.

apt-get is really great..."apt-get install xdm" and voila! everything works..."apt-get remove xdm", "apt-get install lightdm" and now that works  smile

openbox has nice gui tools...lxappearance, obmenu, obconf

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#8 2015-06-29 05:43:30

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Re: How about Fluxbox instead of Openbox for BunsenLabs

Hey, Hudson ...

There is whole section of the  #!Crunchbang Forums devoted to Fluxbox

http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=11591

I am a Debian-Maintainer for Fluxbox WM

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#9 2015-06-29 06:42:23

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Re: How about Fluxbox instead of Openbox for BunsenLabs

I had my finger on the trigger for this one yesterday - but then i thought: don't feed the cat. someone else will do it anyway.

as for the comparison fluxbox/openbox: fluxbox is probably the lightest wm that can be used as a DE, because inbuilt taskbar. i always liked it, but equally i always had difficulties setting it up.
something always ended up not working properly (iirc, font localization & rendering, icon rendering)

openbox is more popular. it's a safer bet - not even speaking of all the themes (many integrated nicely with gtk).
it has sane defaults.
it's under heavier development. its wiki is much larger than fluxbox'.

don't get me wrong, i'm not dissing fluxbox. in fact, it was on my 2nd linux distro ever (mint fluxbox, straight after ubuntu) and i loved it. maybe i should give it another try, but then again: why? i'm married to openbox. one gets used to each other. i like to concentrate on my projects instead.

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#10 2015-06-29 06:58:41

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Re: How about Fluxbox instead of Openbox for BunsenLabs

You could always switch to Arch and have an Arch/Fluxbox continuation of CrunchBang. Maybe without the dark looks too. But it would still be like CrunchBang. LOL.

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#11 2015-06-29 07:01:00

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Re: How about Fluxbox instead of Openbox for BunsenLabs

hudson wrote:

it might be nice to have a preconfigured tiling manager - xmonad, i3, notion, etc

http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=39751

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#12 2015-06-29 08:02:35

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Re: How about Fluxbox instead of Openbox for BunsenLabs

Or just use XFCE... kidding... smile


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#13 2015-06-29 13:29:09

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Re: How about Fluxbox instead of Openbox for BunsenLabs

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#14 2015-06-29 21:46:20

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Re: How about Fluxbox instead of Openbox for BunsenLabs

Thanks everyone for the replies and the links. I used Openbox on Crunchbang for years and loved it. Man, when it was said that vanilla Debian is as easy as Crunchbang, I doubt that! I've spent months working out the odds and ends of installing Debian Jessie and kind of miss that one-CD-install Crunchbang offered.

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#15 2015-06-29 23:55:51

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Re: How about Fluxbox instead of Openbox for BunsenLabs

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
hudson wrote:

it might be nice to have a preconfigured tiling manager - xmonad, i3, notion, etc

http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=39751

]:D  BBQ has images with pretty much everything imaginable included in one and the same image smile

Try Cream, 76 WM in one live iso wink

http://linuxbbq.org/


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#16 2015-06-30 06:31:44

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Re: How about Fluxbox instead of Openbox for BunsenLabs

^ Yeah but that's pretty pointless with dwm as configuration is done at compile-time...

Hence the linked guide(s)  O:)

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#17 2015-06-30 23:05:03

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Re: How about Fluxbox instead of Openbox for BunsenLabs

@hudson:  You're beginning to sound like a reincarnation of ariya or monara.


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#18 2015-06-30 23:19:59

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Re: How about Fluxbox instead of Openbox for BunsenLabs

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

^ Yeah but that's pretty pointless with dwm as configuration is done at compile-time...

Hence the linked guide(s)  O:)

Yes, for dwm it is. But you get to try a lot of other things than openbox. If someone want's to do dwm, then BBQ is a nice start for that too. Start here:http://linuxbbq.org/wiki/index.php?title=Dwm

Not that you need it, but others might. And linux-bbq is a good place for pretty much anything that's kind of alternative. There isn't much mainstream there smile


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#19 2015-06-30 23:33:10

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Re: How about Fluxbox instead of Openbox for BunsenLabs

In terms of openbox being more actively developed than fluxbox:

http://openbox.org/wiki/Openbox:News
last release Feb 08, 2010

http://fluxbox.org/news/
last release Feb 08 2015

@KrunchTime I have no idea what you are talking about

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#20 2015-06-30 23:34:37

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Re: How about Fluxbox instead of Openbox for BunsenLabs

@hudson:  You will if you keep posting the way you do.


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#21 2015-07-01 00:02:43

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Re: How about Fluxbox instead of Openbox for BunsenLabs

hudson wrote:

In terms of openbox being more actively developed than fluxbox:

http://openbox.org/wiki/Openbox:News
last release Feb 08, 2010

http://fluxbox.org/news/
last release Feb 08 2015

That's strange, because Stable has 3.5.2, and sid has 3.6.0 (latest git is 4 weeks ago)

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@KrunchTime I have no idea what you are talking about

Your posts tend to show that you have done little forum reading to give yourself the background, and are often dangerously close to being seen as trolling.


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#22 2015-07-01 02:57:17

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Re: How about Fluxbox instead of Openbox for BunsenLabs

well, guys, I came to this forum because I used Crunchbang for many years. now I spent a couple of months learning the ins and outs of installing Debian. so, I post in the forum titled "Ideas and Suggestions". I had two ideas...use Fluxbox instead of Openbox and use PCManFM instead of Thunar. so I made two threads...one for each idea.

I have other ideas too, based on my recent experience...like trying to minimize the number of programs that depend on GTK3.0, since the resizing doesn't work too well in Openbox and not at all in Fluxbox.

anyway, bottom line, I came here and created two threads. it's not like I'm posting all around the forums in every section. I'm not even trying to bounce my threads, because I really don't care too much. I thought I would come and contribute a little, but I guess the forum Nazis and Nurse Ratched's around here have decided god knows what...it's too bad, because I wanted to contribute and I was thinking of posting in the "tips and tricks" or even a tutorial and there are some bright people here, but you guys @KrunchTime and @damo are downers  sad

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#23 2015-07-01 03:55:38

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Re: How about Fluxbox instead of Openbox for BunsenLabs

hudson wrote:

In terms of openbox being more actively developed than fluxbox:
http://openbox.org/wiki/Openbox:News
last release Feb 08, 2010
http://fluxbox.org/news/
last release Feb 08 2015

the comparison is wrong.
the openbox wiki is there to help users, and has more recent entries. apparently nobody bothers to keep the news section updated.
openbox doesn't have a dedicated website apart from the wiki, but if you join their mailing list you get a very different picture.
and i stick to the statement that openbox is being developed more than fluxbox.
doesn't mean that fluxbox is undeveloped. i don't have a personal gripe with fluxbox or anything, it's just what i see. keep in mind that openbox is the default window manager of the lxde desktop environment (and thus lubuntu).

comparing the 2 wikis, it should go like this:
http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Contents
compared to this:
http://fluxbox-wiki.org/

hudson wrote:

now I spent a couple of months learning the ins and outs of installing Debian. so, I post in the forum titled "Ideas and Suggestions". I had two ideas...use Fluxbox instead of Openbox and use PCManFM instead of Thunar. so I made two threads...one for each idea.
(...)
anyway, bottom line, I came here and created two threads. it's not like I'm posting all around the forums in every section.
(...)
because I wanted to contribute

fair enough.
but people (me included) often don't take lightly if a newb (no judgement here - just deducing from your post history and your own statement "couple of months") starts to suggest to fundamentally change the whole project. that's not "contributing". it's not bad or wrong, but please be realistic (maybe the somewhat harsh treatment in this thread helped there).

also i think the comparison to monara is really over the top atm (sorry, krunchtime), but:

hudson wrote:

I guess the forum Nazis and Nurse Ratched's around here have decided god knows what...

this is not cool.

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#24 2015-07-01 15:45:09

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Re: How about Fluxbox instead of Openbox for BunsenLabs

hudson wrote:

I had two ideas...use Fluxbox instead of Openbox and use PCManFM instead of Thunar. so I made two threads...one for each idea.

sudo apt-get install fluxbox pcmanfm && sudo apt-get purge openbox thunar

You're ideas have now been implemented into BunsenLabs. Congratulations!


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#25 2015-07-01 19:09:02

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Re: How about Fluxbox instead of Openbox for BunsenLabs

damo wrote:

That's strange, because Stable has 3.5.2, and sid has 3.6.0 (latest git is 4 weeks ago)

Debian Wheezy (old stable)

 01 Jul 15 | 16:06:02 ~
    $ cpol openbox
alias cpol = apt-cache policy
openbox:
  Installed: 3.5.0-7
  Candidate: 3.5.0-7
  Version table:
 *** 3.5.0-7 0
        500 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
 
 01 Jul 15 | 16:06:09 ~
    $ 

So that OB site hasn't been updated but the program itself has been.


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