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#51 2015-05-25 04:57:36

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Re: Sub-alpha BunsenLabs netinstall script

Sector11 wrote:

Had no idea Ubuntu had "net installs" back then, in fact I had no idea that they even existed.

Xubuntu, not Ubuntu. I don't think there were netinstalls for Ubuntu. The wiki said to do a "server" install (cli only, basically) off the Ubuntu CD, then the netinstall type stuff to get Xubuntu on top of that. I think it would have been possible to netinstall ubuntu-desktop at that point, but since you've got the whole CD in your hands, not so meaningful, unless you wanted to start off with the freshest packages.


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#52 2015-05-25 09:10:34

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Re: Sub-alpha BunsenLabs netinstall script

johnraff wrote:
redcollective wrote:

Can a script like this be added in the debian repository? Signed and all that jazz? So one would debian netinstall, then apt-get install a bunsen-desktop metapackage?

Yes, that's roughly what I'm dreaming of too. Just install the bunsen metapackage and everything will be done. No need for a script at all in fact.  cool

But we can still have the output fly across the screens telling us what it's doing, and the initial "sudo -- boils down to three rules" prompt, and such while the metapackage is being installed right? That may also be a good time to throw in the welcome script too; while it's still in the tty console. Then reboot into BunsenLabs? Just thinkin...

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#53 2015-05-26 12:30:47

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Re: Sub-alpha BunsenLabs netinstall script

At risk of derailing this thread  - my understanding from a very cursory sweep of the relevant docs on debian.org is that to get a bunsen-desktop package into debian it'd have to be:  audited for compliance with the Debian Free Software Guidelines (especially if it was proposed it would go into main and not non-free); filed as an intent to package; sponsored by an approved package contributor, added to testing, graduate to unstable, then stable.

How likely is all this? I can only guess at the timescale for unstable - stable graduation. Is stable a done deal now? I don't know how it works -  is getting it into stable a realistic goal? Would a bunsen-desktop in stable be agile enough for the crunchbang/bunsen community or better off staying as a netinstall+ github script where change could be more responsive?

As an aside - can report success for the install script on a bare metal Gen 1 Mac Pro. Did a tentative install after work last week and it went pretty smoothly. This machine that was previously a very pretty doorstop. What are people's thoughts on a 'choose your shell' at the end of the welcome script? I am now in the habit of switching to zsh.

It's looking very tidy indeed- you folks should be proud of what you've achieved in so little time.

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#54 2015-05-26 12:37:58

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Re: Sub-alpha BunsenLabs netinstall script

redcollective wrote:

Is stable a done deal now?

Yes.

redcollective wrote:

is getting it into stable a realistic goal?

No.

redcollective wrote:

What are people's thoughts on a 'choose your shell' at the end of the welcome script? I am now in the habit of switching to zsh.

+1

http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=39330

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#55 2015-05-27 02:23:22

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Re: Sub-alpha BunsenLabs netinstall script

zsh looks very useful, but maybe relative newcomers who chose that option in bl-welcome would get a bit confused?
Users who want zsh should already know how to make the change themselves (or at least follow HoaS's tutorial), or they're unlikely to benefit all that much...

OTOH I think later on perhaps we could do with a list of post-install tweaks and post-install annoyance fixes (one list or two) with links to forum threads like http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=39330 and http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=39712

About a bunsen-desktop metapackage, for sure the process of getting one accepted into the Debian repos is very long. We'll do our best to make everything as standards-compliant as we can but this is a case of how many years, not weeks or months. Meanwhile, a BunsenLabs Debian-style repository hosted elsewhere is a possibility and once users had added it to their sources.list then installation would still be pretty easy. As long as it only holds config files, scripts etc then maintainance should not be too hard.


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#56 2015-06-14 01:55:12

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Re: Sub-alpha BunsenLabs netinstall script

FYI
@johnraff

your Multi-media after install Hello Screen is not adding the line to the

 /etc/apt/sources.list

I had to add it manully to get multimedia

deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org jessie main non-free
deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org jessie-backports main
apt-get install deb-multimedia-keyring

EDIT:
NO wait I found it way at the bottom -- so now i have no idea whats going on, why it not working sorry sad

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#57 2015-06-15 03:47:14

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Re: Sub-alpha BunsenLabs netinstall script

I just completed a Debian netinstall and BunsenLabs install script. Things seem in order, and it looks slick.

bl-welcome runs into an error at the addition of deb-multimedia repositories:

  Adding deb-multimedia repositories...
  
  installing deb-multimedia keyring...
  
--2015-06-14 22:37:26--  http://www.deb-multimedia.org/pool/main/d/deb-multimedia-keyring/deb-multimedia-keyring_2014.2_all.deb
Resolving www.deb-multimedia.org (www.deb-multimedia.org)... 91.121.10.104
Connecting to www.deb-multimedia.org (www.deb-multimedia.org)|91.121.10.104|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
2015-06-14 22:37:42 ERROR 404: Not Found.

  failed to download deb-multimedia keyring
  
  Errors occurred while adding deb-multimedia
  
  Press any key to exit.

I run bl-welcome again and get:

  There was a problem during the update.
  
  Press "d" for details (q to quit) d

W: GPG error: http://www.deb-multimedia.org jessie InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 5C808C2B65558117

  Would you like to quit now, or continue anyway?
  (Be careful!)
  
  "q" to quit, "c" to continue      

Icons have background white corners or edges. Volume tray icon looks like a snapshot of a flickering flourescent light bulb.

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#58 2015-06-15 04:06:42

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Re: Sub-alpha BunsenLabs netinstall script

@isoceles

The deb-multimedia problem is known and there is a current issue raised on github.

The tint2 icon problems may be the same thing that has been mentioned several times (search the forum for the posts about them). Do they persist if you disable compositing, or after restarting the compositor?
@ov has produced a new tint2 release which solves several recent problems - see this thread for instance.


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#59 2015-06-15 08:56:15

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Re: Sub-alpha BunsenLabs netinstall script

The new deb-multimedia keyring:

$ wget http://www.deb-multimedia.org/pool/main/d/deb-multimedia-keyring/deb-multimedia-keyring_2015.6_all.deb
$ sudo dpkg -i deb-multimedia-keyring_2015.6_all.deb

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#60 2015-06-15 21:48:54

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Re: Sub-alpha BunsenLabs netinstall script

@isoceles:  Check out my post here and see if that might solve your problem.  You may need to scroll up two posts as well and read spacex's post.  Although, what you describe is a bit different from the issue I experienced then and under BL.

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#61 2015-06-17 03:39:50

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Re: Sub-alpha BunsenLabs netinstall script

damo wrote:

The tint2 icon problems may be the same thing that has been mentioned several times (search the forum for the posts about them). Do they persist if you disable compositing, or after restarting the compositor?

The problem is fixed upon restarting compositing.

damo wrote:

@ov has produced a new tint2 release which solves several recent problems - see this thread for instance.

Is this is something that will take effect soon when I apt-get upgrade? Should I add a restart compositing command to startup? Or is there a better solution?

Edit: I had a similar or same problem two years ago with #!. I suppose it's been a lingering tint2 bug.

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#62 2015-06-17 11:15:32

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Re: Sub-alpha BunsenLabs netinstall script

@isoceles

If you restart tint2 using the menu or directly with bl-tint2restart, the compositor is automatically restarted. This was added because of problems some were having.

autostart already restarts the compositor with bl-tint2-session.

@ov's tint2 is a new release, so AFAIK it won't be in the repos for a while. Build instructions here.


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#63 2015-06-18 17:49:23

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Re: Sub-alpha BunsenLabs netinstall script

hhh wrote:

A preview of Bunsen-themes-extra, coming to you this summer...

http://i.imgur.com/B3Bdnw1m.png
WM: Openbox; Panel: xfce4-panel.

Whoa, this is absolutely amazing! O.O Will be waiting for this and thank you all for your work ^^

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#64 2015-06-23 23:03:18

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Re: Sub-alpha BunsenLabs netinstall script

Anyone else who gets this during install?

Err http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie/main libunique-1.0-0 i386 1.1.6-5
  Error reading from server. Remote end closed connection [IP: 128.31.0.66 80]

Which result in this:

E: Failed to fetch http://http.debian.net/debian/pool/main/libu/libunique/libunique-1.0-0_1.1.6-5_i386.deb  Error reading from server. Remote end closed connection [IP: 128.31.0.66 80]

E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
######## WARNING ########
'apt-get -o APT::Install-Recommends=true --quiet install' returned an error
------------------------------------------------

There was a problem installing some packages.
There may be some information in /home/tweak/.bunsen-netinstall-logs/install.log.
You might want to exit the script, comment out packages causing problems
in pkgs-recs, and run the script again.
If the missing packages are unimportant, you might prefer to continue
with the install and fix the issues later.
Would you like to ignore the errors and continue now,
or exit and try to fix the problems?
(press enter to continue, any other key to exit)

[1m######## ERROR ########
    terminated by tweak, goodbye!
------------------------------------------------
(B[mnow exiting...

Obviously I terminated deliberately. I then restarted the install, and thankfully it picked ut the missing package and continued the install, and everything went fine. But as this has happened twice with me, I wonder if there is a reason for it...


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#65 2015-06-23 23:24:44

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Re: Sub-alpha BunsenLabs netinstall script

Curious what are you using for sources.list?

I use the "ftp" variety and they have never failed me.  Before doing this I use to have tose problems as well.

#deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 8.1.0 _Jessie_ - Official amd64 NETINST Binary-1 20150606-14:16]/ jessie main
#deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 8.1.0 _Jessie_ - Official amd64 NETINST Binary-1 20150606-14:16]/ jessie main

deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free
#deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie main

deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free
#deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main

# jessie-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main contrib non-free
#deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main

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#66 2015-06-24 00:15:37

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Re: Sub-alpha BunsenLabs netinstall script

@Sector11

I used the http variant...

## DEBIAN
deb http://http.debian.net/debian jessie main contrib non-free
#deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian jessie main contrib non-free

## DEBIAN SECURITY
deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main
#deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main

# JESSIE-UPDATES
deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie-updates main contrib non-free
#deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie-updates main

I'll try your list instead . But won't get time to do it until tomorrow. I'll report back in 24 hours smile))


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#67 2015-06-24 05:28:22

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Re: Sub-alpha BunsenLabs netinstall script

@spacex:  Perhaps try using the Debian Mirrors Redirector instead of using a specific site/mirror?


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#68 2015-06-24 15:27:36

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Re: Sub-alpha BunsenLabs netinstall script

I just wanted to share my journey with everyone. This is how I installed BunsenLabs. smile

##Installation on 06-24-15
##How I managed to install BunsenLabs

#Install Debian 8 (leave root password blank).
# Now add contrib non-free to your sources.list
sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
#add contrib non-free every line that ends with "main".

#Reboot, edit /etc/network/interfaces to add wifi.
sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces
#Add these lines to the bottom of the file.
auto wlan0
iface wlan0 inet dhcp
    wpa-ssid mynetworkname
    wpa-psk mysecretpassphrase
# Now check your connection
sudo ifup wlan0

# Finally you can install bunsenLabs
wget https://github.com/bunsenlabs/bunsen-netinstall/archive/master.tar.gz
tar -xpf master.tar.gz
cd bunsen-netinstall-master
./install
# after you reboot the bl-welcome script will start. If you have problems with the multi-media ring use
# sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y install deb-multimedia-keyring
# Then open the terminal and restart the bl-welcome script to finish installation.
# bl-welcome

## How to update BL.
# Here is how you udate the system
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get upgrade
cd ~/bunsen-netinstall-master
./upgrade-bunsen-pkgs -u
# You need to keep up with the changelog for BL netinstall upgrades.
/usr/share/bunsen/skel/.config
/openbox/autostart


## Extra stuff
# I setup auto-login.
sudo nano /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
# add this to the bottom of the page
# additional info: https://wiki.debian.org/LightDM & https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/LightDM#Enabling_autologin
[SeatDefaults]
#pam-autologin-service=lightdm-autologin
autologin-user=jack
autologin-user-timeout=0
#session-wrapper=/etc/lightdm/Xsession

### Note: I really have a hard time finding the GUI config tool. I wish it was in settings instead of being in settings >> Openbox >> GUI config tool. 
### Its a tool that beginners should be able to quickly access some after installation at least.

### I hope this might be helpful instead of just adding more confusion to the whole process.

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#69 2015-06-24 15:42:25

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Re: Sub-alpha BunsenLabs netinstall script

@C_C

My personal preference would be to have a noob-friendly default menu with obconf and lxappearance entries at the top of the list, but I think I am in the minority there. A couple of items I had in the top-level entries have now been moved back to sub-menus, after feedback from other devs.

The thing is, obconf is the gui config tool for the Openbox window manager, so it makes complete sense to have it under Settings -> Openbox (which is also where it is in Waldorf BTW). Sorry you find it hard to find  neutral

BTW Thanks for your HowTo ^, and feedback about your experiences smile


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#70 2015-06-24 16:29:48

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Re: Sub-alpha BunsenLabs netinstall script

KrunchTime wrote:

@spacex:  Perhaps try using the Debian Mirrors Redirector instead of using a specific site/mirror?

This was new to me. Sounds awesome. Will try it later tonight smile


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#71 2015-06-24 20:26:35

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Re: Sub-alpha BunsenLabs netinstall script

@KrunchTime:  spacex is already using the redirector.

@spacex:  From what I understand, http.debian.net is what is automatically used if you don't specify a mirror during the live install, and it apparently works well in some areas; for many of us, ftp.debian.org (which uses exactly the same service) works a lot more reliably.  Since the differences in performance seem to be related more to nationality than geography, I suspect politics may be involved.  It's a little confusing though.

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#72 2015-06-24 22:49:58

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Re: Sub-alpha BunsenLabs netinstall script

pvsage wrote:

@KrunchTime:  spacex is already using the redirector.

@spacex:  From what I understand, http.debian.net is what is automatically used if you don't specify a mirror during the live install, and it apparently works well in some areas; for many of us, ftp.debian.org (which uses exactly the same service) works a lot more reliably.  Since the differences in performance seem to be related more to nationality than geography, I suspect politics may be involved.  It's a little confusing though.

Yes, I thought that I used the redirector. But if it has moved to "httpredir.debian.org", then I guess I'll try that.

Normally I use a national mirror, but as this is a build intended for people anywhere, I guess I want the one with the biggest chance to work out for everyone. As the noobs and newbies never are going to customize their settings.


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#73 2015-06-25 00:17:09

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Re: Sub-alpha BunsenLabs netinstall script

damo wrote:

@C_C

My personal preference would be to have a noob-friendly default menu with obconf and lxappearance entries at the top of the list, but I think I am in the minority there. A couple of items I had in the top-level entries have now been moved back to sub-menus, after feedback from other devs.

The thing is, obconf is the gui config tool for the Openbox window manager, so it makes complete sense to have it under Settings -> Openbox (which is also where it is in Waldorf BTW). Sorry you find it hard to find  neutral

BTW Thanks for your HowTo ^, and feedback about your experiences smile

By the way is there a reason not to use obconf-lxappearance? I have been using the combined package for some time now. One less menu entry to navigate.

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#74 2015-06-26 01:52:43

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Re: Sub-alpha BunsenLabs netinstall script

KrunchTime wrote:

@spacex:  Perhaps try using the Debian Mirrors Redirector instead of using a specific site/mirror?

Thanks for this one. Worked very well smile


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#75 2015-06-26 05:38:52

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Re: Sub-alpha BunsenLabs netinstall script

@spacex:  You're welcome.  And it's great to hear that it worked out for you.  wink


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