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#1 2015-04-15 08:40:38

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New Debian "Jessie" Packages

$ sudo apt-get install openbox-menu

openbox-menu is a pipemenu to display entries in *.desktop files.
It provides a dynamic menu listing of installed applications.

You need to add the following to the file "menu.xml":

<menu execute="openbox-menu gnome-applications.menu" id="apps" label="Apps"/>

or

<menu execute="openbox-menu lxde-applications.menu" id="apps" label="Apps"/>

And

$ sudo apt-get install gnome-menus

or

$ sudo apt-get install lxmenu-data

That's all. Enjoy.



$ sudo apt-get install obsession

This package provides the following tools:

* obsession-logout displays a dialog where you can choose if you want to quit
   the session, power off, suspend or hibernate the computer.
* obsession-exit: this is the command line version of obsession-logout.
* xdg-autostart start automatically programs defined in /etc/xdg/autostart and
   ~/.config/autostart.

bl-exit is not needed.



$ sudo apt-get install gnome-system-tools

There are tools for managing:

- Services (services-admin)
- Date and time (time-admin)
- Users and groups (users-admin)
- Network options (network-admin)
- NFS and Samba (shares-admin)



$ sudo apt-get install doublecmd-gtk doublecmd-plugins

Double Commander is a cross platform open source
file manager with two panels side by side.
It is inspired by Total Commander
and features some new ideas.

Support for RAR archives can be enabled
by installing the libunrar0 package from non-free.

This package contains the GTK2 user interface.

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#2 2015-04-16 05:16:44

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Re: New Debian "Jessie" Packages

Thank you - I'm going to have a look at those.


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#3 2015-04-16 07:10:08

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Re: New Debian "Jessie" Packages

Four posts for the price of one. Yay.

2. 'Obsession'. Not a bad-looking app, and it made it into Jessie too. I can't say it's better than bl-exit. More like it's comparable to bl-exit with more options. Some may call it cluttered or overbearing, but it does have options.

News Plus wrote:

bl-exit is not needed.

On your own system? Of course not! You can use whatever you want. I do like bl-exit though, myself. I am definitely a fan of those pretty white borders when I use @hhh's bunsen1-dark-theme.

2a. What's the difference between the ~/.config/openbox/autostart files that I'm used to and the ~/.config/autostart file that is new to me. Change (for no good reason that I can see)...is scary...

3. All in favor of adding more 'gnome' to BunsenLabs? ...anybody? Bueller?

4. Is this just a substitute for 'Thunar'? 'Cause it sounds like a substitute for thunar. Is your idea/suggestion for BunsenLabs to substitute this "Double Commander" for Thunar?

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#4 2015-04-16 09:33:45

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Re: New Debian "Jessie" Packages

1. Thanks...

2. I'm sorry.  bl-exit is also a great thing!

2a. Folder ~/.config/autostart is usually used in LXDE.
xdg-autostart start automatically all that will find except ~/.config/openbox/autostart.
It does not work automatically. Do not worry.   smile

3. The main thing that it did not pull a lot of dependencies.
Else can offer gnome-disk-utility and gnome-system-monitor...

4. With the help of Thunar I lost 25 GB of files when I move them to NTFS partition.
I do not trust to him.  PCManFM does not have such problems.
Double Commander is possible to replace them both.
Maybe...

Last edited by News Plus (2015-04-17 15:17:52)

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#5 2015-04-16 09:57:49

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Re: New Debian "Jessie" Packages

smacz wrote:

What's the difference between the ~/.config/openbox/autostart files that I'm used to and the ~/.config/autostart file that is new to me.

~/.config/openbox/autostart is a file that openbox runs just before it starts up. It's a piece of shell script in fact.

~/.config/autostart is a directory that has long existed. Any .desktop files placed there will be executed not only by openbox but various other Desktop Environments. It's a local equivalent of /etc/xdg/autostart


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#6 2015-04-16 10:02:51

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Re: New Debian "Jessie" Packages

News Plus wrote:

With the help of Thunar I lost 25 GB of files when I move them to NTFS partition.
I do not trust to him.  PCManFM does not have such problems.
Double Commander is possible to replace them both.
Maybe...

You shouldn't trust any GUI to move important files around: always use the shell...

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#7 2015-04-16 17:04:43

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Re: New Debian "Jessie" Packages

News Plus wrote:
$ sudo apt-get install openbox-menu

openbox-menu is a pipemenu to display entries in *.desktop files.
It provides a dynamic menu listing of installed applications.

You need to add the following to the file "menu.xml":

<menu execute="openbox-menu gnome-applications.menu" id="apps" label="Apps"/>

or

<menu execute="openbox-menu lxde-applications.menu" id="apps" label="Apps"/>

And

$ sudo apt-get install gnome-menus

or

$ sudo apt-get install lxmenu-data

That's all. Enjoy.

are you trying to tell me that this is all I got a do to make me "OLD" #! update my menu when ever I put a new app in and no longer have to do it myself????
oh yes and where exactly do I insert this line in menu.xml ?

Last edited by userx-bw (2015-04-16 17:07:22)


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#8 2015-04-16 18:09:34

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Re: New Debian "Jessie" Packages

^ In CrunchBang Linux 11 "Waldorf" it is not working. it is working in Debian 8 LXDE / Openbox!!!

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#9 2015-04-16 18:30:58

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Re: New Debian "Jessie" Packages

This menu is fully automatic (id = "any" label = "any").
insert this line after "<menu id="root-menu" label="Openbox 3">" with a new line,  for example.

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#10 2015-04-17 05:33:39

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Re: New Debian "Jessie" Packages

News Plus wrote:

4. With the help of Thunar I lost 25 GB of files when I move them to NTFS partition.
I do not trust to him.  PCManFM does not have such problems.
Double Commander is possible to replace them both.
Maybe...

Yikes! Thanks!!!! @News Plus for confirming my suspicions about Thunar! I'm in an Xfce 4.12 distro and recently Thunar failed to copy (pics) from an SD card to my HOME partition. The SD was formatted either as FAT32 or NTFS; I can't remember..  Some error about splitting a file.. Anyway, I had to revert to the CLI and use cp (which worked).

@News Plus - Do you recommend PCManFM, I guess? SpaceFM seems to have entered a slow development phase. Maybe I'll try Mate's Caja with my Xfce Desktop? Does Double Commander support USB (automagic) mounting; PCManFM does. Any other recommendations?

I mean the future #! will also need a good file manager as well, right?

I think someone ought create a thread to discuss which file manager (as well as archiver and CD burner) ought be packaged with #! (or maybe it's already being discussed).

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#11 2015-04-17 09:21:10

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Re: New Debian "Jessie" Packages

pressanykey wrote:

I mean the future #! will also need a good file manager as well, right?

It is getting one: Thunar

I think someone ought create a thread to discuss which file manager (as well as archiver and CD burner) ought be packaged with #! (or maybe it's already being discussed).

Start one if you like, but it will degenerate into "Use A", "No, get B", "No, C is best". Shortly followed by "Use apt-get if you want something different" !

FWIW I understand the current choices are thunar, file-roller and xfburn. (Use apt-get if you want something different ]:D )


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#12 2015-04-17 12:45:08

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Re: New Debian "Jessie" Packages

pressanykey wrote:
News Plus wrote:

@News Plus - Do you recommend PCManFM, I guess? SpaceFM seems to have entered a slow development phase. Maybe I'll try Mate's Caja with my Xfce Desktop? Does Double Commander support USB (automagic) mounting; PCManFM does. Any other recommendations?

I mean the future #! will also need a good file manager as well, right?

I think someone ought create a thread to discuss which file manager (as well as archiver and CD burner) ought be packaged with #! (or maybe it's already being discussed).

PCmanFM -- the new updated one NO longer supports SUDO log in you have to gksu - or - sudo it off the command line if you want to put it in god mode. Besides that I use pcmanfm over thundar anyday

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"How can you learn how to fix it, if you don't break it first? :8
"the only way to get away with murder is - by killing time" swp 1997  8o
"A computer is only as smart as the person using it"
"Just plug it in and see if it blows up, if not then take it apart and figure out how it works."

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#13 2015-04-17 14:37:41

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Re: New Debian "Jessie" Packages

Thunar bug list

$ sudo pcmanfm

Everything is working.

Last edited by News Plus (2015-04-17 14:39:57)

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#14 2015-04-17 14:45:18

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Re: New Debian "Jessie" Packages

News Plus wrote:

Thunar bug list

$ sudo pcmanfm

Everything is working.

I did forget to add one thing though with using PCmanFM -- when copy - moving files to a different HDD it does not move them - but copies them still - instead. that is the only thing I've found wrong with PCmanFM


"How can you learn how to fix it, if you don't break it first? :8
"the only way to get away with murder is - by killing time" swp 1997  8o
"A computer is only as smart as the person using it"
"Just plug it in and see if it blows up, if not then take it apart and figure out how it works."

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#15 2015-04-17 14:53:40

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Re: New Debian "Jessie" Packages

"Shift" key is your friend.

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#16 2015-04-17 14:56:40

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#17 2015-04-17 15:09:52

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Re: New Debian "Jessie" Packages

PCManFM - 68 bugs, Thunar - 510 bugs.  :cry:

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#18 2015-04-17 15:35:29

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Re: New Debian "Jessie" Packages

News Plus wrote:

PCManFM - 68 bugs, Thunar - 510 bugs.  :cry:

It's not the quantity, it's the quality!
big_smile

Anyway, I prefer Ranger...
https://packages.debian.org/jessie/ranger

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#19 2015-04-17 16:40:19

userx-bw
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From: stuck in an unknown reality
Registered: 2013-11-19
Posts: 735

Re: New Debian "Jessie" Packages

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

hummm bugs .. yeah thought that after I wrote what I wrote -- just never thought about it before that. just put up with it by deleting what I (moved) copied afterwards.

but I too am referring to the "old" PCmanFM not the one that is being used for Jessie. I no longer have that installed I went back to Wheezy .. bug list it maybe a bit late now. plus I'd prob not write it in the proper format needed to be understandable even.   ]:D


"How can you learn how to fix it, if you don't break it first? :8
"the only way to get away with murder is - by killing time" swp 1997  8o
"A computer is only as smart as the person using it"
"Just plug it in and see if it blows up, if not then take it apart and figure out how it works."

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#20 2015-04-18 01:10:47

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Re: New Debian "Jessie" Packages

userx-bw wrote:

I did forget to add one thing though with using PCmanFM -- when copy - moving files to a different HDD it does not move them - but copies them still - instead. that is the only thing I've found wrong with PCmanFM

I think that is normal behaviour. When you "slide" files between a HDD and a thumb, it's usually a copy operation. Same thing I think when you slide files between partitions on a HDD, it's usually a copy operation.

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#21 2015-04-18 02:05:58

userx-bw
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Posts: 735

Re: New Debian "Jessie" Packages

pressanykey wrote:
userx-bw wrote:

I did forget to add one thing though with using PCmanFM -- when copy - moving files to a different HDD it does not move them - but copies them still - instead. that is the only thing I've found wrong with PCmanFM

I think that is normal behaviour. When you "slide" files between a HDD and a thumb, it's usually a copy operation. Same thing I think when you slide files between partitions on a HDD, it's usually a copy operation.


mmmm NOPE Thundar cuts (moves) it a directory with stuff in it (just tried it) to my external drive not copy so that can't be it


"How can you learn how to fix it, if you don't break it first? :8
"the only way to get away with murder is - by killing time" swp 1997  8o
"A computer is only as smart as the person using it"
"Just plug it in and see if it blows up, if not then take it apart and figure out how it works."

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#22 2015-04-18 02:52:36

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Re: New Debian "Jessie" Packages

Sure News Plus. PCManFM is higly recommended. Old Crunchbangers stick to Thunar from habit , and possibly because they can't figure out how to get "open as root" working in PCManFM. But no doubt, PCManFM is better than Thunar. It provides destyop icons in openbox, it handles the desktop and you can use it to set/change your wallpaper. Much much better than Thunar. PCmanfm also mounts every partition and disks easy as that, while Thunar has a big issue with it. Like with other things. Go for PCManFm, and just ask if there is something you can't figure out. No more Thunar for me, that's for sure. Terminator is also a waste of space. LXTerminal is just as good, and lighter. The same could be said about Geany. CrunchBang has never been a lightweight release, and Bunsen won't be either

A standard Debian LXDE install is much better than any distro you will find out there. Corenominal is dead on. Tweak it from there. It will be lighter and better than both #! and Bunsen. Sorry guys, but that's a fact. Anyone capable of doing a Debian netinstall, should never do anything else. The derivatives are only a service to those that can not do it themselves. That applies for my own distro, just as well as Bunsen. It applies to all and any derivatives out there.

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#23 2015-04-18 08:25:27

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Re: New Debian "Jessie" Packages

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#24 2015-04-18 09:57:35

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Re: New Debian "Jessie" Packages

I actually agree with spacex... wow. I mega-support bunsen-labs, but I'll probably not use it myself. I've been modding debian installs for 4ish years thanks to #!'s training.

edit: also thanks for this OP, I was unaware of these packages!

Last edited by orionthehunter (2015-04-18 09:59:23)

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#25 2015-04-18 11:21:55

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Re: New Debian "Jessie" Packages

spacex wrote:

A standard Debian LXDE install is much better than any distro you will find out there.

+1

Just set up a new system for a family member on an old Intel Atom netbook and I eventually settled on Debian Jessie with LXDE and it is simply awesome.

Definitely a step up from the Windows XP system it replaced...

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