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#76 2015-05-09 07:39:26

Nili
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Re: Show your packg number

intoCB to the rescue  tongue
Thanks!


# Debian GNU/Linux 8:8.2 (netinst/stable)
# Packages Installed: 541
# Linux debian 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u4 (2015-09-19) i686 GNU/Linux
# Startup finished in 2.850s (kernel) + 6.473s (userspace) = 9.324s

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#77 2015-05-16 15:59:35

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Re: Show your packg number

Managed to drop down under 1000  cool

Currently i have :  * packgs:  988
earlier had 1089

Removed a lot of gnome and related, also qt4/qt5 since i don't have any qt application anymore, lots of unwanted/unused libraries...

This is my very last strip. Striping a distro with pre-installed under 1800 packges to 988 was more than pain in the a$$.

Last edited by Nili (2015-05-16 16:02:25)


# Debian GNU/Linux 8:8.2 (netinst/stable)
# Packages Installed: 541
# Linux debian 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u4 (2015-09-19) i686 GNU/Linux
# Startup finished in 2.850s (kernel) + 6.473s (userspace) = 9.324s

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#78 2015-05-16 16:03:33

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Re: Show your packg number

@Nili -- congratulations!

Can you say exactly how much space you have saved by stripping out all those packages?

What is the output of:

df -h

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#79 2015-05-16 16:26:21

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Re: Show your packg number

@Head_on_a_Stick

Really haven't done for space, i have some free spaces for my system "/" also have lots of TB on external HDD's that i daily use for Seeding.

nili@stretch:~$ df -h

Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda1       143G   59G   78G  44% /

The still valid question "But why i made this mess"?

To tell the truth, Once #! crunchbang released i installed it year ago, immediately removed some applications or changed them for something else but soon this habit turned into a nightmare "after I finished working removing applications, started removing libraries even drivers that don't belonged to me" till this afternoon told myself enough now smile . If my system will not resist long I'll see something from scratch is my goal.

Btw, during this road of testing/removing from Crunchbang Wheezy >Testing Jessie >Jessie stable, i never did backup, i never used or tested on virtual machine, this is the only system that i have so I played too much it with fire for more than one year, i may say with conviction Debian is a strong stone.

Thank you,
Kindly regards!


# Debian GNU/Linux 8:8.2 (netinst/stable)
# Packages Installed: 541
# Linux debian 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u4 (2015-09-19) i686 GNU/Linux
# Startup finished in 2.850s (kernel) + 6.473s (userspace) = 9.324s

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#80 2015-05-16 19:32:41

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Re: Show your packg number

From the BunsenLabs sub-alpha release, fresh install:

empty@BunsenLabs:~$ dpkg -l|grep ^ii|wc -l
1286

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#81 2015-05-17 03:04:28

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Re: Show your packg number

Nili wrote:

@Head_on_a_Stick

Really haven't done for space, i have some free spaces for my system "/" also have lots of TB on external HDD's that i daily use for Seeding.

nili@stretch:~$ df -h

Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda1       143G   59G   78G  44% /

The still valid question "But why i made this mess"?

To tell the truth, Once #! crunchbang released i installed it year ago, immediately removed some applications or changed them for something else but soon this habit turned into a nightmare "after I finished working removing applications, started removing libraries even drivers that don't belonged to me" till this afternoon told myself enough now smile . If my system will not resist long I'll see something from scratch is my goal.

Btw, during this road of testing/removing from Crunchbang Wheezy >Testing Jessie >Jessie stable, i never did backup, i never used or tested on virtual machine, this is the only system that i have so I played too much it with fire for more than one year, i may say with conviction Debian is a strong stone.

Thank you,
Kindly regards!

Agreed, though I don't see that journey as a waste. My Sid install will be the next needing to be cleaned up. However, the exploration of packages is not a bad thing as it allowed me to develop my own preferences.

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#82 2015-05-17 15:02:44

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Re: Show your packg number

1458 in gentoo 64bit no multilib..
(last time I posted here I ha 1451 so I think I'm doing good on controlling my habit of installing a bunch of unnecessary)

Last edited by pingu (2015-05-17 15:05:21)


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Linus f****g Trovalds

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#83 2015-05-19 07:26:54

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Re: Show your packg number

After passing from jessie stable to stretch-testing currently have 979 early 988 Glad that i am under 1000

As i have noted i am not going to remove anymore unless system request itself.

tknomanzr wrote:

Agreed, though I don't see that journey as a waste. My Sid install will be the next needing to be cleaned up. However, the exploration of packages is not a bad thing as it allowed me to develop my own preferences.

Even I thought so but it was difficult journey smile However I am happy in the end with the result.
yesterday did the last spring-clean

aptitude purge ~c
deborphan --guess-data
deborphan --guess-all
autoclean
clean
autoremove

Last edited by Nili (2015-05-19 07:34:13)


# Debian GNU/Linux 8:8.2 (netinst/stable)
# Packages Installed: 541
# Linux debian 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u4 (2015-09-19) i686 GNU/Linux
# Startup finished in 2.850s (kernel) + 6.473s (userspace) = 9.324s

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#84 2015-05-30 13:31:00

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Re: Show your packg number

With new Jessie installation from netinst, currently i have 658
17643502654_f8a411eb29_t.jpg
Thanks to wiki.debian managed to drop down from 700 to 658. Ofcourse carefully doing remove only packages that i don't need. Debian wiki suggested to remove aptitude, grub, ca-certificates, nano, openssl that for me is much better not to be removed.

finally a bit of light smile


# Debian GNU/Linux 8:8.2 (netinst/stable)
# Packages Installed: 541
# Linux debian 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u4 (2015-09-19) i686 GNU/Linux
# Startup finished in 2.850s (kernel) + 6.473s (userspace) = 9.324s

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#85 2015-05-30 17:44:54

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Re: Show your packg number

pkg_info on OpenBSD lists only 87.

tongue


"If you can't control your peanut butter, you can't expect to control your life."
    --Bill Watterson

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#86 2015-05-30 17:56:48

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Re: Show your packg number

^ You beat my record...

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

New record from my OpenBSD system:

empty@OpenBSD ~ % pkg_info|wc -l
      90

And yes, it is running a desktop...
http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic. … 37#p426237

http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic. … 40#p426240
sad

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#87 2015-05-30 18:56:27

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Re: Show your packg number

^ Well, I haven't quite given myself the opportunity to remember the all the necessary things I've surely forgotten, so you're probably still in the lead... big_smile


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#88 2015-05-30 18:59:17

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Re: Show your packg number

Forgot to check my jessie netinst copy after have installed, installed it as advanced by unchecking mostly unwanted packages according to my computer preferences just only utilities. It may have been somewhere in 250/300?

Installed everything with "--no-install-recommends"

Xorg/openbox/obmenu/obconfig/iceweasel/ntfs-3g/leafpad/mplayer2/ranger
lxappearance/spacefm/udevil/urxvt/feh/scrot/bleachbit/w3m-img/newsbeuter
and a few others console stuff...

I have no gnome, gtk3, xfce, python3, qt4/qt5 I'm doing everything possible to keep it light.
Mostly my installed applications are just single installations names that do a single job.

Wonder what have you guys installed on those 90's packages? or they're just core from very scratch with zero applications.

Edit: just removed three orphaned.
Currently Packages: 655

Last edited by Nili (2015-05-30 19:08:32)


# Debian GNU/Linux 8:8.2 (netinst/stable)
# Packages Installed: 541
# Linux debian 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u4 (2015-09-19) i686 GNU/Linux
# Startup finished in 2.850s (kernel) + 6.473s (userspace) = 9.324s

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#89 2015-05-30 19:07:13

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Re: Show your packg number

Nili wrote:

Wonder what have you guys installed on those 90's packages? or they're just core from very scratch with zero applications.

It's very much a case of comparing apples with oranges.

Debian packages libraries and their header files separately whereas Arch keeps them together so the package number will always be much higher in Debian even if exactly the same software is installed.

OpenBSD & FreeBSD install very minimal systems by default and have a similarly concatenated packaging system.

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#90 2015-05-30 19:47:34

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Re: Show your packg number

tweak@t-dove64:~$ dpkg -l|grep ^ii|wc -l
858

Very bloated. It's my build system smile


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#91 2015-05-31 15:53:02

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Re: Show your packg number

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

It's very much a case of comparing apples with oranges.

Debian packages libraries and their header files separately whereas Arch keeps them together so the package number will always be much higher in Debian even if exactly the same software is installed.

OpenBSD & FreeBSD install very minimal systems by default and have a similarly concatenated packaging system.

Very clear explanation as always, Thank you Head_on_a_Stick!

During the installation of netinst/jessie actually i have chosed only option Standard system utilities tried once even without selecting this one, but i had difficult managing myself smile

There is a thread that bugsbunny show what Standart system utilities install which in total were somewhere 250. Reading I realized that I went wrong with xorg --no-install-recommends installing it full, i should have done it minimal way  :8

After cleaning some xserver-xorg-video-* which not belonged to me. I only kept those "hope they not return back in any xorg updates"

ii  xorg                          1:7.7+7                           i386         X.Org X Window System
ii  xorg-docs-core                1:1.7-1                           all          Core documentation for the X.org X Window System
ii  xserver-common                2:1.16.4-1                        all          common files used by various X servers
ii  xserver-xorg                  1:7.7+7                           i386         X.Org X server
ii  xserver-xorg-core             2:1.16.4-1                        i386         Xorg X server - core server
ii  xserver-xorg-input-all        1:7.7+7                           i386         X.Org X server -- input driver metapackage
ii  xserver-xorg-input-evdev      1:2.9.0-2                         i386         X.Org X server -- evdev input driver
ii  xserver-xorg-input-mouse      1:1.9.1-1                         i386         X.Org X server -- mouse input driver
ii  xserver-xorg-input-synaptics  1.8.1-1                           i386         Synaptics TouchPad driver for X.Org server
ii  xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse    1:13.0.0-1+b3                     i386         X.Org X server -- VMMouse input driver to use with VMWare
ii  xserver-xorg-video-fbdev      1:0.4.4-1+b2                      i386         X.Org X server -- fbdev display driver
ii  xserver-xorg-video-intel      2:2.21.15-2+b2                    i386         X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver
ii  xserver-xorg-video-vesa       1:2.3.3-1+b3                      i386         X.Org X server -- VESA display driver

Also removed some other not preferred packages, currently i have 636. My intention is to go under 500

Last edited by Nili (2015-05-31 15:54:43)


# Debian GNU/Linux 8:8.2 (netinst/stable)
# Packages Installed: 541
# Linux debian 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u4 (2015-09-19) i686 GNU/Linux
# Startup finished in 2.850s (kernel) + 6.473s (userspace) = 9.324s

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#92 2015-07-04 19:22:03

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Re: Show your packg number

BunsenLabs clone on OpenBSD 5.7:

empty@OpenBSD ~ % pkg_info|wc -l     
     124

Screenshot here:
http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic. … 59#p433559

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#93 2015-07-05 07:41:24

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Re: Show your packg number

WOW, impressive...  cool  besides tint2, openbox and FF Is there anything else installed?

I mean video player/mp3player image viewer, file manager.

minimal as f****, I've fallen a little in silence regarding tweaking Linux, been a little bussy with my daily work.

Congratulation Head_on_a_Stick

Me: throwing mplayer2 for mpv fell out from 630 to 618

Last edited by Nili (2015-07-05 07:42:54)


# Debian GNU/Linux 8:8.2 (netinst/stable)
# Packages Installed: 541
# Linux debian 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u4 (2015-09-19) i686 GNU/Linux
# Startup finished in 2.850s (kernel) + 6.473s (userspace) = 9.324s

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#94 2015-07-05 10:10:15

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Re: Show your packg number

Nili wrote:

besides tint2, openbox and FF Is there anything else installed?

Not much. lol.

I did put thunar on briefly but it wouldn't install it without gvfs so I'm using ranger instead.

It's still a work in progress -- I need to enable HALd in rc.conf to get xfce4-power-manager working and I haven't even looked at the audio yet 'cos I got distracted by the ports system.

I'll post again when I have a fully working desktop wink

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#95 2015-07-05 14:15:16

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Re: Show your packg number

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Not much. lol.

I did put thunar on briefly but it wouldn't install it without gvfs so I'm using ranger instead.

It's still a work in progress -- I need to enable HALd in rc.conf to get xfce4-power-manager working and I haven't even looked at the audio yet 'cos I got distracted by the ports system.

I'll post again when I have a fully working desktop wink

I guess it smile
You can always give a try SpaceFM since doesn't cares for gfvs or other bloated libraries.
I use too together with ranger. ranger is first choice of mine also SpaceFM for a GUI. SpaceFM with udevil cool.

Regarding audio you know alsa-utils when we need, ofcourse if it works for BSD.

I will watch with interest the conclusion big_smile

Regards,
Nili

Last edited by Nili (2015-07-05 14:15:48)


# Debian GNU/Linux 8:8.2 (netinst/stable)
# Packages Installed: 541
# Linux debian 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u4 (2015-09-19) i686 GNU/Linux
# Startup finished in 2.850s (kernel) + 6.473s (userspace) = 9.324s

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#96 2015-07-05 14:31:58

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Re: Show your packg number

Nili wrote:

You can always give a try SpaceFM since doesn't cares for gfvs or other bloated libraries.

*shrugs* I don't really use file managers anyway -- shell FTW!

Anyway the only problem with OpenBSD (if you can call it that) is that the quality control is so tight that not very many packages actually make it into the repositories -- that's the main reason why the package number is so low...

IgnorantGuru's blog wrote:

As far as a possible port of SpaceFM to *BSD someday, it looks promising.

https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2015/06 … placement/

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#97 2015-07-05 15:35:02

Nili
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Re: Show your packg number

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

*shrugs* I don't really use file managers anyway -- shell FTW!

Anyway the only problem with OpenBSD (if you can call it that) is that the quality control is so tight that not very many packages actually make it into the repositories -- that's the main reason why the package number is so low...

IgnorantGuru's blog wrote:

As far as a possible port of SpaceFM to *BSD someday, it looks promising.

https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2015/06 … placement/

File manager (SpaceFM) is one of the very few Gui apps that i have installed on my system, i can't live without it, i love ranger i daily use but can't let my desktop without spacefm.

I understand the nature of the BSD from what you write. I still can not find myself out there. Maybe some day when I 'll have more free time in my hands to explore the awersome BSD sys.

From what i read IgnorantGuru had interest in BSD because of systemd not agreement but this is another story plenty debated, however the good news is that he is still on Linux and updating SpaceFM with his team.

He will make it SpaceFM for BSD usage for sure.

Regards,
Nili


# Debian GNU/Linux 8:8.2 (netinst/stable)
# Packages Installed: 541
# Linux debian 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u4 (2015-09-19) i686 GNU/Linux
# Startup finished in 2.850s (kernel) + 6.473s (userspace) = 9.324s

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#98 2015-07-07 19:42:25

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Re: Show your packg number

Right, I've bloated the crap out of my OpenBSD system now: it has mpv, mpd, ncmpc, smplayer, ranger, zenity, a load of other utilities and even the XFCE desktop (tried it out and can't be bothered removing it)...

empty@OpenBSD ~ % pkg_info|wc -l
     247

tongue

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#99 2015-07-08 16:59:00

Nili
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Re: Show your packg number

BSD Doesn't look bloated even if you fill with applications. Just WOW!

I bloated mine with minimal installation without DE, still says 616.

Last edited by Nili (2015-07-08 16:59:35)


# Debian GNU/Linux 8:8.2 (netinst/stable)
# Packages Installed: 541
# Linux debian 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u4 (2015-09-19) i686 GNU/Linux
# Startup finished in 2.850s (kernel) + 6.473s (userspace) = 9.324s

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#100 2015-07-22 11:04:34

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Re: Show your packg number

according to my investigation

Installaing netinst (skiping all tasksel services): 119 packgs

Installing netinst (with standard system utilities checked): 333 packgs

Installing netinst (with standard system utilities + xorg): 421 packgs

Installing netinst (with standard system utilities + xorg + reduce Debian): currently i have 557 apps packages installed.

Last edited by Nili (2015-07-22 11:13:21)


# Debian GNU/Linux 8:8.2 (netinst/stable)
# Packages Installed: 541
# Linux debian 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u4 (2015-09-19) i686 GNU/Linux
# Startup finished in 2.850s (kernel) + 6.473s (userspace) = 9.324s

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