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#51 2015-04-06 16:26:20

porkpiehat
#! Die Hard
Registered: 2012-10-02
Posts: 1,007

Re: Should there be a music player in Hydrogen?

pvsage wrote:

A PDF viewer - most likely Evince - will be on both the "standard" and "bloat" images.

May I ask why Evince was chosen? It's definitely "heavier" than mupdf:

$ apt-cache depends evince
evince
  Depends: libatk1.0-0
  Depends: libc6
  Depends: libcairo-gobject2
  Depends: libcairo2
  Depends: libevdocument3-4
  Depends: libevview3-3
  Depends: libgail-3-0
  Depends: libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0
  Depends: libglib2.0-0
  Depends: libgnome-keyring0
  Depends: libgtk-3-0
  Depends: libice6
  Depends: libnautilus-extension1a
  Depends: libpango1.0-0
  Depends: libsm6
  Depends: libx11-6
  Depends: libxml2
  Depends: zlib1g
  Depends: evince-common
  Depends: evince-common
  Depends: gnome-icon-theme
  Depends: shared-mime-info
  Suggests: unrar
  Suggests: poppler-data
  Suggests: nautilus
  Recommends: dbus-x11
  Recommends: gvfs
  Conflicts: evince-gtk
$ apt-cache depends mupdf 
mupdf
  Depends: libc6
  Depends: libfreetype6
  Depends: libjbig2dec0
  Depends: libjpeg8
  Depends: libopenjpeg2
  Depends: libx11-6
  Depends: libxext6
  Depends: zlib1g
  Suggests: mupdf-tools

Also see: http://www.adercon.com/ac/node/65 for relative size.

Does evince have particular features that you think are necessary?

And on-topic,  I think most people would be happier with a simple gui music player (like audacious) as opposed to a server/client music player that must be configured (like mpd) -- even if mpd is preconfigured.

We do agree about abiword -- it's a mess.

Last edited by porkpiehat (2015-04-06 16:42:36)

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#52 2015-04-06 16:38:32

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Re: Should there be a music player in Hydrogen?

I took deadbeef out of the bl-multimedia-pipemenu for now, because of the need to configure deb-multimedia repo. I hadn't used audacious before, but it is very similar to deadbeef, and...I like it a lot smile


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#53 2015-04-06 16:51:02

twoion
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From: 星界
Registered: 2012-05-11
Posts: 1,648

Re: Should there be a music player in Hydrogen?

porkpiehat wrote:
pvsage wrote:

A PDF viewer - most likely Evince - will be on both the "standard" and "bloat" images.

May I ask why Evince was chosen? It's definitely "heavier" than mupdf:

$ apt-cache depends evince
evince
  Depends: libatk1.0-0
  Depends: libc6
  Depends: libcairo-gobject2
  Depends: libcairo2
  Depends: libevdocument3-4
  Depends: libevview3-3
  Depends: libgail-3-0
  Depends: libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0
  Depends: libglib2.0-0
  Depends: libgnome-keyring0
  Depends: libgtk-3-0
  Depends: libice6
  Depends: libnautilus-extension1a
  Depends: libpango1.0-0
  Depends: libsm6
  Depends: libx11-6
  Depends: libxml2
  Depends: zlib1g
  Depends: evince-common
  Depends: evince-common
  Depends: gnome-icon-theme
  Depends: shared-mime-info
  Suggests: unrar
  Suggests: poppler-data
  Suggests: nautilus
  Recommends: dbus-x11
  Recommends: gvfs
  Conflicts: evince-gtk
$ apt-cache depends mupdf 
mupdf
  Depends: libc6
  Depends: libfreetype6
  Depends: libjbig2dec0
  Depends: libjpeg8
  Depends: libopenjpeg2
  Depends: libx11-6
  Depends: libxext6
  Depends: zlib1g
  Suggests: mupdf-tools

Does evince have particular features that you think are necessary?

I didn't have a hand in this, but evince uses libpoppler which is faster than mupdf in its default configuration; evince has a GUI; offers an intuitive way for filling in PDF forms (see https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7637918.html ), PRINTING SUPPORT; different page view modes (side-by-side); and probably a couple more important things people would expect from a PDF viewer.

Last edited by twoion (2015-04-06 16:52:48)


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#54 2015-04-06 17:02:34

porkpiehat
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Registered: 2012-10-02
Posts: 1,007

Re: Should there be a music player in Hydrogen?

^ that's all I was asking -- no need to shout, IN BOLD :-(. And if the consensus is that this is worth 34M vs 6M, go for it. I'm happy with mupdf. I was even happier with epdfview (which also used poppler), but it is history.

I think my personal goals for my systems do not fit the Bunsen model, so I will STFU now.

Last edited by porkpiehat (2015-04-06 17:13:45)

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#55 2015-04-06 17:45:55

twoion
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From: 星界
Registered: 2012-05-11
Posts: 1,648

Re: Should there be a music player in Hydrogen?

porkpiehat wrote:

^ that's all I was asking -- no need to shout, IN BOLD :-(. And if the consensus is that this is worth 34M vs 6M, go for it. I'm happy with mupdf. I was even happier with epdfview (which also used poppler), but it is history.

I think my personal goals for my systems do not fit the Bunsen model, so I will STFU now.

I just intended to highlight the most relevant feature missing from mupdf...

And yes, at first it was my supposition too that Busen was to become a minimal, KISS distro (well, even Openbox goes against that: XML config files are not that simple). However, some consensus choices have been made indicating that Bunsen is to be not a minimal but still lean distro, striking a compromise between user-friendly pre-configuration and pre-installed software and a frugal base system.

As for evince's weight: most of these packages are going to be present anyway as part of other GTK applications, and choosing evince-gtk, being a version not compiled against GNOME libraries (or so I understand?), will allow us to get rid of a number of GNOME deps like the keyring.


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#56 2015-04-06 20:19:02

pvsage
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From: North Carolina
Registered: 2009-10-18
Posts: 13,970

Re: Should there be a music player in Hydrogen?

^ I think the primary (only?) difference is evince-gtk "is built without GNOME keyring support".

As has been said, my main reason for backing Evince is because it includes just about everything most users who work with PDF files expect from a PDF viewer.

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#57 2015-04-07 05:14:40

smacz
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Registered: 2014-12-09
Posts: 250

Re: Should there be a music player in Hydrogen?

@damo I'm glad to see that pull request finally get merged.

@pvsage @twoion Is there any interest in (read: any chance of) going gnome-less? (despite network-manager)

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#58 2015-04-07 15:42:55

pvsage
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From: North Carolina
Registered: 2009-10-18
Posts: 13,970

Re: Should there be a music player in Hydrogen?

^ These sidebars really should be moved to the development status thread, but regarding utilities from Gnome...
I have no strong feelings one way or the other.
I'm actually using Wicd currently.  It works, but if there is any wireless security involved, it requires the user to know which protocol is in use.  Not really an issue at home, but this info might not be available at internet cafe and other commercially-provided public wifi.

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