SEARCH

Enter your search query in the box above ^, or use the forum search tool.

You are not logged in.

#51 2015-04-03 15:16:44

pingu
#! Junkie
Registered: 2014-12-05
Posts: 367

Re: Metapackages and recommends

johnraff wrote:
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

And for the love of $DEITY please don't use Dillo...

Dillo is great! But not to get into another War or anything, major browsers tend to be major installs... I was thinking of dillo as a placeholder, just to get urgent jobs done quickly (and it is very quick) before the user installed their own choice of x-www-browser.

I really like links as a basic browser (it works in text mode so f*uck yeah! cool  ):

http://pkgs.org/debian-wheezy/debian-ma … 6.deb.html

links2 - Web browser running in both graphics and text mode
Distribution: Debian Wheezy
Repository: Debian Main i386
Package name: links2
Package version: 2.7
Package architecture: i386
Package type: deb
Installed size: 2,87 KB
Download size: 1,91 MB
Binary package: links2_2.7-1+deb7u1_i386.deb
Source package: links2

Requires
libbz2-1.0
libc6 (>= 2.11)
libdirectfb-1.2-9
libgpm2 (>= 1.20.4)
libjpeg8 (>= 8c)
liblzma5 (>= 5.1.1alpha+20120614)
libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4)
libssl1.0.0 (>= 1.0.0)
libsvga1
libtiff4 (>> 3.9.5-3~)
libx11-6
zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4)

feggvkqm.png
GkeAlBMm.png

but if you guys go with dillo, and thus need the fltk libs, I think fox calculator is another great tool to have (but I couldn't find it in the debian repos).
zFvP1pss.png

###
about the  the topic, adding the bloat repository seems like a really good idea.

Last edited by pingu (2015-04-03 15:20:16)


"We don't merge kernel code just because user space was written by a retarded monkey on crack."
Linus f****g Trovalds

Offline

Be excellent to each other!

#52 2015-04-03 21:00:13

smacz
#! Junkie
Registered: 2014-12-09
Posts: 250

Re: Metapackages and recommends

pingu wrote:

...adding the bloat repository seems like a really good idea.

It can either be that, which would require a whole 'nother set of .iso's (32 and 64-bit) or the bloat can be added to pipemenus to be installed (or not) by the individual users. @damo has scripted here a pipemenu for multimedia "bloat". Plus, this way it allows users to mix and match which programs they would prefer instead of offering them more than they would need.

Last edited by smacz (2015-04-04 02:40:28)

Offline

#53 2015-04-10 19:36:04

Sector11
#!'er to BL'er
From: SR11 Cockpit
Registered: 2010-05-05
Posts: 15,667
Website

Re: Metapackages and recommends

johnraff wrote:

Does anyone here hate xfce4-terminal?

Hate is a strong word.  I got use to it when I used Xubuntu.  But I have come to LOVE the multiple windows in terminator.  And "terminator" was/is a #! ICON!
2015_04_10_16_27_29_1821x595_Sector11.jpg
Just saying - it is still only a "sudo apt-get Install" away.

But why xfce4-terminal what is so special that it would be a candidate to replace terminator?  I hate tabs in a terminal just so you know, I like to see it all.  big_smile

Xfce4 and terminalor
2015_04_10_16_47_17_1920x1080_Sector11.jpg
I may not be in a terminal as much as some hardliner nixers as CBz would say, but I do spend a good deal of my in the terminal and have ~/bin populated with 400 plus scripts to help me do this.


·  ↓   ↓   ↓   ↓   ↓   ↓  ·
BunsenLabs Forums now Open for Registration
·  ↑   ↑   ↑   ↑   ↑   ↑  · BL ModSquad

Offline

#54 2015-04-10 19:51:09

pvsage
Internal Affairs
From: North Carolina
Registered: 2009-10-18
Posts: 13,970

Re: Metapackages and recommends

I'm not fond of xfce4-terminal either, nor LXTerminal.  Either Terminator or urxvt with a nice .xsessionrc.

Offline

#55 2015-04-10 19:59:50

tknomanzr
#! Die Hard
From: Heavener, OK
Registered: 2014-12-09
Posts: 777

Re: Metapackages and recommends

@brontosaurusrex just posted a nice crunchy looking urxvt setup in the screen shots thread.

Offline

#56 2015-04-10 20:58:34

Sector11
#!'er to BL'er
From: SR11 Cockpit
Registered: 2010-05-05
Posts: 15,667
Website

Re: Metapackages and recommends

can urxvt go semi-transparent?


·  ↓   ↓   ↓   ↓   ↓   ↓  ·
BunsenLabs Forums now Open for Registration
·  ↑   ↑   ↑   ↑   ↑   ↑  · BL ModSquad

Offline

#57 2015-04-10 21:03:56

tknomanzr
#! Die Hard
From: Heavener, OK
Registered: 2014-12-09
Posts: 777

Re: Metapackages and recommends

Yes it can. This is from the Arch wiki:

True transparency
To use true transparency, you need to be using a window manager that supports compositing or a separate compositor.
From the command-line:
$ urxvt -depth 32 -bg rgba:3f00/3f00/3f00/dddd
Using the configuration file:
~/.Xresources
URxvt.depth: 32
URxvt.background: rgba:1111/1111/1111/dddd
or
~/.Xresources
URxvt.depth: 32
URxvt.background: [95]#000000
where '95' is the opacity level in percentage and '#000000' is the background color.
To use a color i.e. #302351 with the rgba:rrrr/gggg/bbbb/aaaa syntax it would be rgba:3000/2300/5100/ee00. "ee00" (the alpha value) to make it nicely transparent.
Note: To make these settings universal for all forms of URxvt, you may add a wildcard. For example, URxvt.depth would become URxvt*.depth.
Native transparency
If there is no need for true transparency, or if compositing uses too many resources on your system, you can get transparency working in the following way:
~/.Xresources
! Xresources file

URxvt*.transparent: true
! URxvt*.shading: 0 to 99 darkens, 101 to 200 lightens
URxvt*.shading: 110
Using the URxvt*background setting exemplified above instead of URxvt*.shading will also work.
Note: Avoid using shading if you have a URxvt.tintColor set. Use a different tintColor instead.

I have also used transet-df in the past.

Last edited by tknomanzr (2015-04-10 21:04:29)

Offline

#58 2015-04-10 21:28:50

Sector11
#!'er to BL'er
From: SR11 Cockpit
Registered: 2010-05-05
Posts: 15,667
Website

Re: Metapackages and recommends

You know what bothers me about that terminal.  I know a lot of people use it, they all call it "urxvt" but I can never remember the real name to download it.  mad  mad  mad  mad
10 Apr 15 | 18:26:24 ~

    $ ser urxvt
alias ser = aptitude search
                                      
 10 Apr 15 | 18:27:53 ~
    $ 

Why can't they call it what it is?  yikes


·  ↓   ↓   ↓   ↓   ↓   ↓  ·
BunsenLabs Forums now Open for Registration
·  ↑   ↑   ↑   ↑   ↑   ↑  · BL ModSquad

Offline

#59 2015-04-10 21:32:23

tknomanzr
#! Die Hard
From: Heavener, OK
Registered: 2014-12-09
Posts: 777

Re: Metapackages and recommends

No idea. I think xterm pulls it in though as it seems like when you have one you have both.

Offline

#60 2015-04-10 21:53:56

Unia
#! Octo-portal-pussy
From: The Netherlands
Registered: 2010-07-17
Posts: 4,634
Website

Re: Metapackages and recommends

Sector11 wrote:

You know what bothers me about that terminal.  I know a lot of people use it, they all call it "urxvt" but I can never remember the real name to download it.  mad  mad  mad  mad
10 Apr 15 | 18:26:24 ~

    $ ser urxvt
alias ser = aptitude search
                                      
 10 Apr 15 | 18:27:53 ~
    $ 

Why can't they call it what it is?  yikes

rxvt-unicode is what it is tongue


If you can't sit by a cozy fire with your code in hand enjoying its simplicity and clarity, it needs more work. --Carlos Torres

I am a #! forum moderator. Feel free to send me a PM with any question you have!

Offline

#61 2015-04-11 01:53:24

johnraff
nullglob
From: Nagoya, Japan
Registered: 2009-01-07
Posts: 4,148
Website

Re: Metapackages and recommends

There are a few packages whose name is different from the command that you have to use. rxvt-unicode is one. (Agreed, it is pretty confusing.) More common are packages that come with several different commands.

About the Bunsen default. I'd be happy to use rxvt-unicode (  the name tongue  ) - it's what I use all the time. However, it is missing some extra features that Terminator has. I thought tabs was one that a lot of people want, but maybe I was wrong about that. Another is the ability to open urls in a browser with a right-click.

xfce4-terminal does both of those. I don't personally care, but thought that would be a sort of compromise between minimal urxvt and maximal Terminator. What other things does Terminator do that people like? I dislike it because a) it brings in many megabytes of dependencies and b) it's very slow to come up, especially the first invocation on a slower computer. To me it looks like an ideal candidate for "install it afterwards if you want it", like Gimp.

There are several other terminal emulators in that middle range - I only leaned towards xfce4-terminal because it's somewhat popular and because with Thunar and xfce4-power-manager on board it might feel among friends. smile


John
--------------------
( a boring Japan blog , Japan Links, idle twitterings  and GitStuff )
#! forum moderator    BunsenLabs

Offline

#62 2015-04-11 02:01:48

Sector11
#!'er to BL'er
From: SR11 Cockpit
Registered: 2010-05-05
Posts: 15,667
Website

Re: Metapackages and recommends

I have no problems with an install afterwards option.  But it is the only one that I know of that does split windows vs tabs (probably does tabs too, but I don't know)

If BL comes with a well configured rxvt-unicode - semi-transparent with no borders ... I'll test the hell out of it.


·  ↓   ↓   ↓   ↓   ↓   ↓  ·
BunsenLabs Forums now Open for Registration
·  ↑   ↑   ↑   ↑   ↑   ↑  · BL ModSquad

Offline

#63 2015-04-11 02:04:57

tknomanzr
#! Die Hard
From: Heavener, OK
Registered: 2014-12-09
Posts: 777

Re: Metapackages and recommends

I'd install rxvt-unicode or xterm regardless what you settle for as the default in the end.. You never know when you might something very basic like an x session with just a terminal to fix something. Either one is lightweight enough to justify the extra storage space used.

Last edited by tknomanzr (2015-04-11 02:05:07)

Offline

#64 2015-04-11 02:53:33

johnraff
nullglob
From: Nagoya, Japan
Registered: 2009-01-07
Posts: 4,148
Website

Re: Metapackages and recommends

The other thing that midrange-and-up emulators seem to support is copy/paste from the clipboard, usually with Ctrl+Shift+C etc. Can be useful, though direct pasting from the primary selection with Shift+Insert or middle-click works OK on urxvt.

Last edited by johnraff (2015-04-11 02:53:58)


John
--------------------
( a boring Japan blog , Japan Links, idle twitterings  and GitStuff )
#! forum moderator    BunsenLabs

Offline

#65 2015-04-11 02:59:49

porkpiehat
#! Die Hard
Registered: 2012-10-02
Posts: 1,007

Re: Metapackages and recommends

I use urxvt (rxvt-unicode) with tmux, but for those who require tabs, lxterminal has them and is slightly lighter than xfce4-terminal.

Offline

#66 2015-04-11 02:59:56

Sector11
#!'er to BL'er
From: SR11 Cockpit
Registered: 2010-05-05
Posts: 15,667
Website

Re: Metapackages and recommends

^ And there's the key ... people will install what they want.

Build the ISO to be light, functional look good and work OOTB.  After that .. individual choices and apt take over.    wink


·  ↓   ↓   ↓   ↓   ↓   ↓  ·
BunsenLabs Forums now Open for Registration
·  ↑   ↑   ↑   ↑   ↑   ↑  · BL ModSquad

Offline

#67 2015-04-11 03:05:31

porkpiehat
#! Die Hard
Registered: 2012-10-02
Posts: 1,007

Re: Metapackages and recommends

Sector11 wrote:

Build the ISO to be light, functional look good and work OOTB.

I think the issue is that different people have different ideas about what this means. :-)

Offline

#68 2015-04-11 08:09:34

johnraff
nullglob
From: Nagoya, Japan
Registered: 2009-01-07
Posts: 4,148
Website

Re: Metapackages and recommends

^Indeed.

For example, this proposed addition to the welcome script requires a terminal emulator that allows opening a url with a right-click, or would need rewriting:

While FOSS is primarily about freedom and choice, certain choices are
known to carry an increased risk of breaking things in BunsenLabs.

Two of the riskier things are:
* adding Ubuntu PPAs or unknown/untrusted repos to your
   /etc/apt/sources.list or /etc/apt/sources.list.d
* installing a package that wants a newer version of libc6

More information on some of the riskier things, the above included,
can be found here:
https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian

(Right click the above link and choose "Open Link" to visit the page.)

Please type "I understand" to continue with this script.


John
--------------------
( a boring Japan blog , Japan Links, idle twitterings  and GitStuff )
#! forum moderator    BunsenLabs

Offline

#69 2015-04-11 10:34:57

dbvolvox
#! CrunchBanger
From: England
Registered: 2011-01-05
Posts: 180

Re: Metapackages and recommends

johnraff wrote:

^Indeed.

For example, this proposed addition to the welcome script requires a terminal emulator that allows opening a url with a right-click, or would need rewriting:

While FOSS is primarily about freedom and choice, certain choices are
known to carry an increased risk of breaking things in BunsenLabs.

Two of the riskier things are:
* adding Ubuntu PPAs or unknown/untrusted repos to your
   /etc/apt/sources.list or /etc/apt/sources.list.d
* installing a package that wants a newer version of libc6

More information on some of the riskier things, the above included,
can be found here:
https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian

(Right click the above link and choose "Open Link" to visit the page.)

Please type "I understand" to continue with this script.

There is great advice on that link but...

Don't suffer from Shiny New Stuff Syndrome

is a vain hope for many in our community!

Offline

#70 2015-04-11 10:47:38

Head_on_a_Stick
CatMod
From: A world of pure imagination
Registered: 2014-01-21
Posts: 4,797

Re: Metapackages and recommends

rxvt-unicode allows opening URLs with a left-click using these options in .Xdefaults (or .Xresources or whatever):

URxvt.perl-ext-common:		default,matcher
URxvt.url-launcher:		/usr/bin/firefox
URxvt.matcher.button:		1

I would recommend rxvt-unicode-256color rather than the other variants.

Offline

#71 2015-04-11 12:27:11

Sector11
#!'er to BL'er
From: SR11 Cockpit
Registered: 2010-05-05
Posts: 15,667
Website

Re: Metapackages and recommends

I think that's why #! also came with xterm as a default.

@ hhh - you use that?  I don't see a copy/paste function in there.


·  ↓   ↓   ↓   ↓   ↓   ↓  ·
BunsenLabs Forums now Open for Registration
·  ↑   ↑   ↑   ↑   ↑   ↑  · BL ModSquad

Offline

#72 2015-04-11 12:38:00

Sector11
#!'er to BL'er
From: SR11 Cockpit
Registered: 2010-05-05
Posts: 15,667
Website

Re: Metapackages and recommends

dbvolvox wrote:

There is great advice on that link but...

Don't suffer from Shiny New Stuff Syndrome

is a vain hope for many in our community!

And there are others, self included: Been there, done that, back to 'stable'.

I think the key here, 'testing' and SID are available ... just don't mix'em with Bunsen 'stable' there are some things that will "break a stable system".

The idea of #! and the same for Bunsen: stability.
The idea of Linux - have it your way.


·  ↓   ↓   ↓   ↓   ↓   ↓  ·
BunsenLabs Forums now Open for Registration
·  ↑   ↑   ↑   ↑   ↑   ↑  · BL ModSquad

Offline

#73 2015-04-11 15:38:11

cpoakes
#! CrunchBanger
From: Tucson, Arizona
Registered: 2012-05-19
Posts: 202

Re: Metapackages and recommends

In addition to my other objections, the terminal emulator Sakura is not Debian Policy compliant.  The package (jessie, v3.1.5) does set itself up as an alternative for x-terminal-emulator, but does not support the requisite "-T" option argument and fails without ever opening the terminal window. It could be repaired with a script wrapper.  Reported as bug to Debian (classified serious, not critical).

Last edited by cpoakes (2015-04-11 15:57:13)


programming and administering unix since 1976 (BSD, System III, Xenix, System V, Linux)

Offline

#74 2015-04-11 18:05:41

pvsage
Internal Affairs
From: North Carolina
Registered: 2009-10-18
Posts: 13,970

Re: Metapackages and recommends

tknomanzr wrote:

No idea. I think xterm pulls it in though as it seems like when you have one you have both.

The xterm package includes uxterm, which I think is the same idea; rxvt and rxvt-unicode are separate packages though.  I see xterm is a depends of many packages, including Xorg.

Can xterm be configured to recognize URLs and behave the way we've come to expect from terminal emulators like Terminator?  What about pseudo-transparency for those of us who like to run without a compositor?

Last edited by pvsage (2015-04-11 18:06:18)

Offline

Help fund CrunchBang, donate to the project!

#75 2015-04-11 22:26:54

hhh
Cityspeak
Registered: 2010-08-04
Posts: 3,253

Re: Metapackages and recommends

Sector11 wrote:

I think that's why #! also came with xterm as a default.

@ hhh - you use that?  I don't see a copy/paste function in there.

xterm or urxvt? I've used the latter, but I prefer the easiness/features of xfce4-terminal. Besides copy/paste, there's Select All, Find, Fullscreen, and then GUI settings for font, geometry, scrollbar, show/hide menu/toolbar/window borders, background appearance, and colors, including the cursor, text selection and 16 color palette  (lxterminal only has foreground/background settings).


bunsenlabs     8)     forum mod squad

Offline

Board footer

Powered by FluxBB

Copyright © 2012 CrunchBang Linux.
Proudly powered by Debian. Hosted by Linode.
Debian is a registered trademark of Software in the Public Interest, Inc.
Server: acrobat

Debian Logo