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#226 2015-02-13 15:59:02

sysaxed
#! Member
Registered: 2013-03-25
Posts: 77

Re: The Beginning.

I'll leave this here as well: my post in "The End"

Also, it would be great to have a build configuration somewhere on github (so that we don't face the same problem again when the main developer is leaving and no one else is able to build the distro...).

Ah, also it would be such a pity to see this thread turn into another 50-page blah-blah, maybe we can revive #! wiki to store valuable information there? Or I can quickly set up something new, if required.

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#227 2015-02-14 00:22:15

johnraff
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Re: The Beginning.

It's quite easy to build the distro, and several people have already done it. (Have a look round these forums.) The necessary information is all in the packages in the #! repository.

What's much harder is to build the customized debian installer to put on the .iso file, especially if a live session is to be included too.

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#228 2015-02-14 12:10:37

sysaxed
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Registered: 2013-03-25
Posts: 77

Re: The Beginning.

johnraff wrote:

It's quite easy to build the distro, and several people have already done it. (Have a look round these forums.) The necessary information is all in the packages in the #! repository.

What's much harder is to build the customized debian installer to put on the .iso file, especially if a live session is to be included too.

I don't remember having any difficulties with the live session. We're talking about this, right?

And by "building a distro" I meant writing a build configuration which will be used to produce an iso.

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#229 2015-02-14 13:26:42

gonzo
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From: Berlin, Germany
Registered: 2012-06-20
Posts: 22

Re: The Beginning.

spacex wrote:

A CrunchDE would be awesome, and it wouldn't even need to be officially blessed by Debian. Someone else could put up a repo so that people could add it to their sources, and install it. For the most part it is only scripts. It could also be just a simple DEB.package, dropping the scripts, backgrounds, themes and icons in the appropriate locations.

The only issue is that someone needs to store and maintain the Crunchbang-spesific stuff. Because some of the current stuff will break eventually. By gtk-upgrades, by systemd-upgrades, and other upgrades that may cause issues.

I myself don't need a CrunchbangDE. But it would be a great service for those that aren't able to do it themselves. Because, there are reasons for some to use Crunchbang, even if they are not at all interested in Linux. Not all are rich and able to get the new hardware and afford new windows-distributions.

It's perfetly legit to want Crunchbang just because it's lightweight and runs well on older hardware. Because it brings life to the older laptops. Just because someone is poor, it doesn't mean that they should have to be very interested in thinkering with linux, to get something where they can do tweets, facebook, check email and stream live television. For many people, Windows or Mac aren't a options at all, and Ubuntu and LM and all the big easy ones requires to much resources to run well on low specs.

That's why there really is a need for something light and functional OOTB. Not to serve us linux-geeks, because we will always get by. No, there is a actual need for something like Crunchbang to serve ordinary people that can't afford the newest of everything.

Just my thoughts smile

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#230 2015-02-14 20:39:13

monkeytoes
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Registered: 2014-05-27
Posts: 7

Re: The Beginning.

Yes please! If #! goes away I'll have to go back to distro hopping. (Not that their is anything wrong with that!)
I am willing to help in any way I can.

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#231 2015-02-14 22:43:02

jalexander9
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From: USA
Registered: 2014-05-16
Posts: 86

Re: The Beginning.

I would like to help this #! community. I have given comments in praise of Corenominal's work. But now, it is all of the forum members contributions and freely shared ideas that will ensure future success or failure. During the last year, the systemd debate gave me a serious roadblock to reconcile, especially where did Crunchbang fit on the Free Open Source Software continuum...between the cathedral ...and the bazaar.

My old refurbished system is running Waldorf 11 on remastered .iso disk which ..damo..gave as a HOW TO a few months ago.
The /etc/apt/sources.list has Crunchbang sources commented out; also, tint2 and tint2conf were purged. So this is Vanilla Debian.

The rest (especially the future) #! or whatever it is called - (BTW do we need to bring in paralegals or attorneys?) depends on
what we members of this linux community decide to do...but...be excellent to each other...have a lot of fun....!!!


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#232 2015-02-15 00:11:42

johnraff
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From: Nagoya, Japan
Registered: 2009-01-07
Posts: 4,148
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Re: The Beginning.

spacex wrote:

Just because someone is poor, it doesn't mean that they should have to be very interested in thinkering with linux, to get something where they can do tweets, facebook, check email and stream live television.

Right! smile

I think lxde are aiming at this group of users, but there's certainly room for a competitor!


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#233 2015-02-15 01:39:26

johnraff
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From: Nagoya, Japan
Registered: 2009-01-07
Posts: 4,148
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Re: The Beginning.

sysaxed wrote:
johnraff wrote:

What's much harder is to build the customized debian installer to put on the .iso file, especially if a live session is to be included too.

I don't remember having any difficulties with the live session. We're talking about this, right?

Yes that's what I was talking about. And if you built a live .iso on the basis of that documentation without having any difficulties, then I take my hat off to you!

Anyway your refactoring of cb-pipemenus and cb-welcome was good quality stuff which I intend to incorporate in Wally.


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#234 2015-02-15 05:30:16

zephyr
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From: Apache,Ok-USA
Registered: 2014-01-20
Posts: 55
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Re: The Beginning.

I would like to thank the forum, it contributors, and it's users, as well as Philip who gave really everybody a special gift. #! is what every Debian distro tries to be on the level of having an awesome forum, plus the inner mechanism of a solid well built distro. I am a user who run 8 separate Sid distro's on a large modern dust box. I like openbox, fluxbox, toy with blackbox and a few tiling window managers. I don't do Ubuntu, at all. So, yea the idea of some kind of resurrection of #!, either by asking corenominal for the keys, or a DE that can be added to Debian Testing. Anyway, count me in, nothing much on package building or writing script, but could help in other ways, I hope. It's appearance could be modernized a bit while holding on to #!'s character and mystique. I would think the welcome screen and package offer would be great, a default conky for both the keyboard shortcuts, and some pertinent data of the system. Perhaps bring in more of a metallic look versus the flat. Really, so much could be done. I do have a question for anyone who might be able to answer it? Has #! always had a transparent menu, or is it something that happened once I went to Sid? I have openbox Sid on Debian Testing 7.8, and can't seem to get the affect at all. Just curious if this was something under the hood of #!. Thanks for so many having the same sentiment as I do. -zephyr

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#235 2015-02-15 06:37:37

kbmonkey
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From: South Africa
Registered: 2011-01-14
Posts: 879
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Re: The Beginning.

pvsage wrote:

I'm not willing to sign on to anything that requires a separate repository.  Vanilla Debian + install scripts + a config file here or there, no more.

Agreed. And thank you for that little gem of clarity, pvsage smile

In remembrance of all good things #! I am replacing my laptop's waldorf (sid) with a new installation of waldorf OTB, defaults and all.

Edit: replaced "statler" with "waldorf"

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#236 2015-02-15 07:14:58

pvsage
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From: North Carolina
Registered: 2009-10-18
Posts: 13,970

Re: The Beginning.

Just to clarify:  I understand that, at the time corenominal developed Statler and Waldorf, he clearly felt there was a need for a separate repository that could provide newer versions of programs that he felt were obsolete in Squeeze and Wheezy, or that simply weren't available in the Debian repos at the time.  As he believes we would now better benefit from using "vanilla Debian", this is clearly no longer the case.

I wouldn't be surprised if, in time, what we work on here becomes a .deb or two.  After all, .debs are simply tarballs that are designed to be handled by Debian's package installer.  Rather than a separate repo, however, I'd advocate trying to get Debian themselves to consider accepting it for Stretch or Buster.  If a clearly Debian PPA (specifically, only Debian release codenames, no Ubuntu) is the way to get such packages to their attention, I'd be willing to go that route.

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#237 2015-02-15 10:27:48

damo
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From: N51.5 W002.8 (mostly)
Registered: 2011-11-24
Posts: 5,434

Re: The Beginning.

pvsage wrote:

I wouldn't be surprised if, in time, what we work on here becomes a .deb or two.  After all, .debs are simply tarballs that are designed to be handled by Debian's package installer.  Rather than a separate repo, however, I'd advocate trying to get Debian themselves to consider accepting it for Stretch or Buster.  If a clearly Debian PPA (specifically, only Debian release codenames, no Ubuntu) is the way to get such packages to their attention, I'd be willing to go that route.

Makes sense to have a Debian deb - it assures longevity, consistency, functionality etc.


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#238 2015-02-15 10:35:28

uname
#! Junkie
Registered: 2013-03-15
Posts: 484

Re: The Beginning.

@pvsage:
http://packages.crunchbang.org/waldorf/pool/main shows the modified or added packages from Vanilla Debian to Crunchbang. I think in a new Crunchbang - version the most packages can be deleted.

Perhaps it is possible to build only one deb-file

control: additional packages to netinstall
preinst, postinst: functions, programs, ...
data.tar: configurations (/etc, /etc/xdg/openbox, /etc/iceweasel/pref/iceweasel.js, ...) 

After netinstall installation:

wget deb-file
dpkg -i deb-file

Perhaps somebody can build a deb-file and post a link.

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#239 2015-04-20 08:53:11

Digit
#! Die Hard
From: the internet
Registered: 2009-05-26
Posts: 1,083
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Re: The Beginning.

there are many threads, n it's all a little sparse n hard to follow unless you're an every-second die-hard 24-7 #!forumer.

perhaps it's time to revive and retriple efforts towards http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/start with a nice explanation either directly on that page, or at least a link to a page explaining the state of crunchbang, and the various post-end forks/respins/methods/repos/packages to continue the #! experience (as well as pre-end respins too i suppose).

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#240 2015-08-09 04:03:34

Temetka
#! CrunchBanger
From: California
Registered: 2014-08-25
Posts: 179

Re: The Beginning.

I'd like to contribute in anyway I can. Shoot me a PM or whatevs and let me know what I can do to contribute.

I've already created 2 sub-threads in this forum along those lines and if I was dev I feel I could add more. That being said, I code for fun, and only when the mood hits - so that's right out. To actually commit to coding, ugh. Takes the fun right out.

That all being said, I've reached the point in my life where my kids are getting older, my career is finally paying off and I want to give back to the community (Linux/FOSS) that has given me so much.

So whatever I can do (within limits) I will try my best to do.

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