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#501 2015-02-17 00:25:41

AnInkedSoul
#! CrunchBanger
Registered: 2010-06-30
Posts: 232

Re: boycott systemd

openbsd works great on my lenovo R61e, very happy with it...

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#502 2015-02-17 14:20:39

ratcheer
#! Junkie
From: central Alabama
Registered: 2013-07-23
Posts: 338

Re: boycott systemd

I am looking to try PC-BSD, but the last time I tried, I could no longer boot any of my Linux systems. I had to start everything over from scratch. I did have good data backups, so I didn't lose anything important.

So, I can see three approaches: 1) Forget about PC-BSD. 2) Figure out a foolproof hard metal backup of my Linux systems that I could easily restore if I have a bad experience with PC-BSD. 3) Find someone who is able to clearly explain how to successfully dual boot Linux and PC-BSD.

Sure, there are other ways to go about it, but these are the paths I would prefer to choose from.

Tim

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#503 2015-02-17 15:33:15

CBizgreat!
#! Die Hard
Registered: 2011-07-27
Posts: 1,865

Re: boycott systemd

I've heard rumors, somewhere ... can't exactly remember where. Still ... heard rumors that systemd will eat small pets if left unattended. Yep ... don't leave any puppies, kittens or other small furry loved one's unsupervised in a room with a computer on which systemd's installed.

Those poor cute, furry little creatures ! DAMN U SYSTEMD, MURDERRRRRRRR ! tongue


Some common cbiz abbreviations. This will save me time and yet @ same time tell folks what the babble is supposed to mean.

Vll ! = ( Viva la gnu/Linux !)    Vl#!! = ( Viva la #! !)    Last but not least, UD ... OD ! = ( Use Debian ... or die !) tongue

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#504 2015-02-17 16:26:12

AnInkedSoul
#! CrunchBanger
Registered: 2010-06-30
Posts: 232

Re: boycott systemd

ratcheer wrote:

I am looking to try PC-BSD, but the last time I tried, I could no longer boot any of my Linux systems. I had to start everything over from scratch. I did have good data backups, so I didn't lose anything important.

Be sure to confine a bsd install to ONE empty partition and that way you will not lose anything. The most you will lose is the ability to boot into your linux partition and that can be fixed fairly easily by reinstalling grub to the mbr.

As far as data, I keep all my goodies on my first partition. That way I know as long as I keep anything from touching it then nothing disappears.

As far as backups, I will often use refracta snapshot (actually my script that is similar) to make a live image of my system and have it include my data too. That way a twenty minue reinstall and I am done. Of course I dont have a lot of data either.

3) Find someone who is able to clearly explain how to successfully dual boot Linux and PC-BSD.

I never thought about it but that would be good info for those that are unfamiliar. Next time I set mine up to dual boot I will do that. If I recall, what I did was install openbsd to one of my partitions (I always keep four) and yes it wiped the boot loader but I ran a live linux image, reinstalled grub, booted into my linux install, configured grub to boot bsd, and was good to go.

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#505 2015-02-17 22:17:03

ratcheer
#! Junkie
From: central Alabama
Registered: 2013-07-23
Posts: 338

Re: boycott systemd

So, AnInkedSoul, that was apparently all I needed to do the last time I destroyed bootability by installing PC-BSD. I sure wish someone had told me that, then.  8)

Tim

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#506 2015-03-04 00:15:44

xor
#! Die Hard
Registered: 2012-01-11
Posts: 775

Re: boycott systemd

FINALLY !
i have arrived... at OpenIndiana,
which is is a free and open-source Unix operating system derived from OpenSolaris.

beware -- you might like this solution, too:

- no systemd {)
- a true Unix operating system with ZFS ]:D
- a truly beautiful and functional GNOME 2.30.2 desktop cool
- it runs even on my ancient 32-bit systems tongue

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenIndiana

http://openindiana.org/

http://openindiana.org/support/documentation/

it's the perfect PRODUCTION system for me. no fiddling, no tweaking.
install it and use it for daily business. a true fire-and-forget solution !

take a peek using your favorite VM and have a lot of fun...

SIDE NOTE:
for software development as well as for any servers,
i will stick with debian (stable) netinstalls and i3wm.

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#507 2015-03-04 00:44:20

spacex
ew
From: Norway
Registered: 2015-01-17
Posts: 385
Website

Re: boycott systemd

Beautiful Gnome??? No fiddling, no tweaking???? How Boring. That's the worst kind of distro smile


Regards,
spacex/ew
http://tweaklinux.org

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#508 2015-03-04 01:13:53

xor
#! Die Hard
Registered: 2012-01-11
Posts: 775

Re: boycott systemd

^ you get the idea of a PRODUCTION system, don't you ?
are you earning money with your computers ?
i can't afford downtime on my office desktop.
based on your comment, i wonder if you have read my side note at all.

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#509 2015-03-04 02:27:04

porkpiehat
#! Die Hard
Registered: 2012-10-02
Posts: 1,007

Re: boycott systemd

I read all of your post, and will check out OpenIndiana.

(sidenote -- in my part of the world "tweakers" are methamphetamine addicts -- gives a different spin to TweakLinux) (-:

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#510 2015-03-04 02:40:28

CBizgreat!
#! Die Hard
Registered: 2011-07-27
Posts: 1,865

Re: boycott systemd

^ Lol Porkpiehat. big_smile

Hmmmm, many nixers are tweakers of the highest calibre and hmmmm, now thatcha mention it methamphetamines could have it's place ! Ala ... we can all sleep when we die, however it's not for sure we'll be able to tweak around w linux. sad

Messing round ... will stick w caffeine/coffee, occasionally supplemented w energy drinks. Dang it ... not as potent, lotsa less trouble if someone gets caught w a cup of coffee tho. Errrr ... your honor, I didn't want to use meth but I just about had conky.rc perfect dude ! Surely ya understand Sir and there's an exception to every rule right judge ? tongue


Vll!


Imo ... conky addiction should be a valid legal defense anyway. Kinda like not guilty by reason(s) of de insanity thingy.

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Some common cbiz abbreviations. This will save me time and yet @ same time tell folks what the babble is supposed to mean.

Vll ! = ( Viva la gnu/Linux !)    Vl#!! = ( Viva la #! !)    Last but not least, UD ... OD ! = ( Use Debian ... or die !) tongue

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#511 2015-03-04 02:49:19

porkpiehat
#! Die Hard
Registered: 2012-10-02
Posts: 1,007

Re: boycott systemd

Yes, I can see ew-hubbabubba-commonsense-spacex as a meth addict. He will now deny this, of course. But I can still see it. Makes sense to me.

TweakLinux (lol) (-:

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#512 2015-03-04 03:31:49

CBizgreat!
#! Die Hard
Registered: 2011-07-27
Posts: 1,865

Re: boycott systemd

^ With all that trollin and armchair criticizing, might be fellow nixer. Such has to burn A LOT of energy. Dude could very well resort to taking trolling performance enhancing drugs and whatever anyone sayz about Ew, guy is dedicated to hiz field of expertise.  Errrrr ... have yet to figure out exactly what/which field(s) that is tho. Griefin ever gets recognized as an olympic event he's a shoe in for becoming a metalist. Maybe even Gold metalist material. tongue


Vll! and da special olympics !

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Some common cbiz abbreviations. This will save me time and yet @ same time tell folks what the babble is supposed to mean.

Vll ! = ( Viva la gnu/Linux !)    Vl#!! = ( Viva la #! !)    Last but not least, UD ... OD ! = ( Use Debian ... or die !) tongue

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#513 2015-04-01 18:50:15

xor
#! Die Hard
Registered: 2012-01-11
Posts: 775

Re: boycott systemd

latest april fool's news: devuan project halted

https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/2 … 39.en.html

not a bad one... made me smile wink

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#514 2015-04-01 18:51:10

Head_on_a_Stick
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From: A world of pure imagination
Registered: 2014-01-21
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#515 2015-04-01 19:32:15

CBizgreat!
#! Die Hard
Registered: 2011-07-27
Posts: 1,865

Re: boycott systemd

lol LMFAO !!! lol

Not sure the one about Devuan was a fool's dy prank. Made mucho sense and many valid points. lol Nah ... sadly must be an Apr 1st prank, peeps behind Devuan aren't cool enough nor intel nough imo to time an official announcement on this most holy of and well suited to Devuan dys ... that well. big_smile

Tempted to google and try to find out what's happening w the Debian fork, nah, too lazy and not enough interest to bother. Thanks the two nixers above for the shares though, hilarious. big_smile

Last edited by CBizgreat! (2015-04-01 19:33:56)


Some common cbiz abbreviations. This will save me time and yet @ same time tell folks what the babble is supposed to mean.

Vll ! = ( Viva la gnu/Linux !)    Vl#!! = ( Viva la #! !)    Last but not least, UD ... OD ! = ( Use Debian ... or die !) tongue

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#516 2015-04-01 20:19:34

Sector11
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From: SR11 Cockpit
Registered: 2010-05-05
Posts: 15,667
Website

Re: boycott systemd

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

  lol SystemBS-D & grub-lock  lol

... maybe next it will be BSD-boot to combat coreboot or maybe combatboots.  wink


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#517 2015-04-02 12:17:06

xor
#! Die Hard
Registered: 2012-01-11
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#518 2015-04-13 14:46:09

jochen
Member
Registered: 2015-01-16
Posts: 34

Re: boycott systemd

I'm back from FreeBSD. I tried it on my Thinkpad T61 and wrote this Howto (in german) to make a CrunchBang-like desktop based on FreeBSD. In principal it works, but had several issues with my Thinkpad: 5 GHz WiFi band was unstable (loosing connection after several minutes again and again) and suspend/resume did not work. So I had to use the development branch FreeBSD 11 to get that working. Updating the development branch is a pain, and fan control is not working good, the fan is running most of the time, even with only 1% cpu usage. So I decided to come back to CrunchBang on Wheezy.

When Wheezy reaches end of support I will make a new decision, but for now I stay with Wheezy.

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#519 2015-04-13 14:59:05

Head_on_a_Stick
CatMod
From: A world of pure imagination
Registered: 2014-01-21
Posts: 4,797

Re: boycott systemd

jochen wrote:

a CrunchBang-like desktop based on FreeBSD.

Snap!
http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic. … 15#p424515
big_smile

Mine works really well; I had to fudge the backlight issue (I use the --gamma & --brightness options in an xrandr command in .xinitrc) but everything else works really well, the RAM & CPU usage is very slightly lower than Debian or Arch or Slackware with the same set up.

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#520 2015-04-16 17:22:31

xor
#! Die Hard
Registered: 2012-01-11
Posts: 775

Re: boycott systemd

i am writing this from a machine which i got as a gift while abroad.
it's a HP Compaq 6910p (US keyboard) with an integrated SC reader.
i've decided to give CentOS 6.6 a try on this one, and it's a real joy !

http://centos.org/

everything works as expected. a blazingly fast Gnome 2.28.2 on an
old version 2.6.32 kernel. but WTH, i see no problem with this.
everything is fine and extremely stable. needless to mention, there
is no systemd or even pulseaudio crap. free from Lennartware (tm)
finally. CentOS 6 will be supported until 2020 (no joke), and chances
are high that i will stick to it on this T7100 machine.

http://wiki.centos.org/Download

stability is what counts when you need to get work done.
leave all that bleeding-edge bling bling stuff for the kids.

just my usual 2 cents... wink

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#521 2015-04-16 20:51:05

Nili
#! Die Hard
From: 127.0.0.1
Registered: 2013-03-20
Posts: 811
Website

Re: boycott systemd

^xor since there is no crap like systemd or pulseaudio that's a good thing, just wonder what they've put on a .ISO=4GB?
plase can you post output of

yum list installed | wc -l

thank you for the offer though but as a older guy i'd like to play like a kid  smile


# Debian GNU/Linux 8:8.2 (netinst/stable)
# Packages Installed: 541
# Linux debian 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u4 (2015-09-19) i686 GNU/Linux
# Startup finished in 2.850s (kernel) + 6.473s (userspace) = 9.324s

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#522 2015-04-16 20:54:42

tknomanzr
#! Die Hard
From: Heavener, OK
Registered: 2014-12-09
Posts: 777

Re: boycott systemd

CentOS is Redhat's server OS, so likely lots of network / server related packages in there.

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#523 2015-04-16 22:30:44

xor
#! Die Hard
Registered: 2012-01-11
Posts: 775

Re: boycott systemd

^ alright, i haven't mentioned yet that i've done a netinstall
via USB stick (182 MB iso size (i386), i preferred the torrent).

as for Nili's request, the terminal command output is just a number: 1453

EDIT: i've been using this guide for the initial setup:

http://www.if-not-true-then-false.com/2 … tallation/

in section 3.19 i've chosen "Desktop" (the topmost option).

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#524 2015-04-16 23:03:46

pingu
#! Junkie
Registered: 2014-12-05
Posts: 367

Re: boycott systemd

xor wrote:

as for Nili's request, the terminal command output is just a number: 1453

the number of packages you have installed... it's a trending topic as of late.

Edit: I just saw you mentioned using zfs in another install. How was its memory consumption? I think I read somewhere that zfs needed 8gb of ram run and thought it was a joke....

Last edited by pingu (2015-04-16 23:08:08)


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#525 2015-04-17 06:21:08

intoCB
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Registered: 2012-10-25
Posts: 2,412

Re: boycott systemd

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