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#351 2014-11-18 23:25:00

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Re: boycott systemd

g33zr wrote:

In short, I view the opposition to systemd as often unnecessarily shrill, similar to discussions about internet "security." But, as I said above, what do I know?  smile

I'm pretty much on board with you in regards to the discussions about internet "security" also. Some people simply worry to much.

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#352 2014-11-19 06:58:05

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Re: boycott systemd

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@KrunchTime: I think the boycottsystemd site, while perhaps expressing a valid concern or two about freedom, appears to ignore the argument voiced by others elsewhere that systemd functions better and is thus currently the best choice. If that were not the case, then Arch, Debian, et al. wouldn't have chosen it. Linux is, after all, about choice. If the devs of "name that distro" choose systemd over another init alternative, then we as users can accept that or select a another distro. Personally, if it works the way I prefer, that's fine with me.

In short, I view the opposition to systemd as often unnecessarily shrill, similar to discussions about internet "security." But, as I said above, what do I know?  smile

01.  I'll give you that systemd functions better.  I played around with Antergos a few weeks ago and startup and shutdown were wicked fast.
02. I can't speak for Arch because I don't know their process for package selection, but Debian chose systemd by ONE VOTE.  That's hardly an endorsement for the best choice IMO.
03. Selecting another distro...it appears that there will be very few choices, possibly all of them being BSD spins.  I read in the Salix (Slackware derivative) forums that even Slackware may eventually have no choice but to use systemd.

Psst...hey Core, are we boring you yet?   big_smile

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#353 2014-11-19 13:50:15

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Re: boycott systemd

^ Well, it is what it is. To each his own distro and init system.  smile


It's never too late to learn something new! wink

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#354 2014-11-19 19:50:40

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Re: boycott systemd

Good news for fans of system control:
The bug that causes #! & wheezy installs to switch to systemd without user intervention when upgraded to jessie has been identified:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-a … 00010.html

CrunchBang Waldorf installs that switch to track jessie will now keep sysvinit smile

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#355 2014-11-19 22:19:07

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Re: boycott systemd

Slackware with systemd wouldn't be Slackware at all. Project might as well be done at that point, IMO. Please don't let that happen. sad

I don't mind systemd, but Slackware's init system is one of its main draws and one of the things that has always made it unique as a distro. BSD-style inits are the best. Slack and Crux and Frugalware, etc...They can't go.

Hrm. I hope it isn't true.


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#356 2014-11-20 02:16:05

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Re: boycott systemd

Maybe it marks me as old and boring, but all the systemd weirdness aside, Microsoft just announced they are open sourcing the .net framework, and they actually have a list of open-source projects that they maintain. The world is not just changing, but changing in weird ways. I think my next hardware purchase will be a nice fountain pen, and an equally nice notebook.  tongue

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#357 2014-11-20 02:27:06

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Re: boycott systemd

^ notebook as in spiral binding paper type?  cool


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#358 2014-11-20 07:33:42

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Re: boycott systemd

It is worth noting that MicroSoft are contributors to the kernel...

They had a big commitment in 2012; it's died off since then, but still:
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/new … linux-2632
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04/03 … ributions/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/09/16 … port_2013/

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#359 2014-11-20 07:56:21

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Re: boycott systemd

Sector11 wrote:

^ notebook as in spiral binding paper type?  cool

NOOOOOOOO!!!  Preferably sewn binding like in the typical "composition book", but "perfect binding" would be OK for smaller notebooks...I guess.
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#360 2014-11-20 14:04:39

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Re: boycott systemd

My backup system includes classic reporters' notebooks with an array of pencils and pens.  lol


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#361 2014-11-20 15:20:57

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Re: boycott systemd

My, how time flies when communism takes over your "thing"

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#362 2014-11-20 16:22:58

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Re: boycott systemd

^ I guess time's been dragging for you then. O:)
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#363 2014-11-20 17:29:13

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Re: boycott systemd

Politics?  No no no - this be Linux!  big_smile


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#364 2014-11-20 18:03:29

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Re: boycott systemd

Has anyone mentioned the wonderful systemd command to display the time taken for each service to start (in this thread anyway)? It seems very appropriate in the circumstances (and MUST have been deliberate by the devs?)

systemd-analyze blame

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#365 2014-11-20 18:32:23

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Re: boycott systemd

damo wrote:

Has anyone mentioned the wonderful systemd command to display the time taken for each service to start (in this thread anyway)? It seems very appropriate in the circumstances (and MUST have been deliberate by the devs?)

systemd-analyze blame

]:D

It's the the thing 99% of the people who don't use Linux in sensitive environments point out to make up for at least 50% of the reasons why systemd is so very useful.


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#366 2014-11-20 19:15:22

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Re: boycott systemd

twoion wrote:

It's the the thing 99% of the people who don't use Linux in sensitive environments point out to make up for at least 50% of the reasons why systemd is so very useful.

I'm sorry, I can't get my head around that. It feels like there is a hidden double-negative there I can't make out! 8o :8


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#367 2014-11-20 19:24:06

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Re: boycott systemd

twoion wrote:
damo wrote:

Has anyone mentioned the wonderful systemd command to display the time taken for each service to start (in this thread anyway)? It seems very appropriate in the circumstances (and MUST have been deliberate by the devs?)

systemd-analyze blame

]:D

It's the the thing 99% of the people who don't use Linux in sensitive environments point out to make up for at least 50% of the reasons why systemd is so very useful.

Lies, damn lies and statistics! - Mark Twain

Can you demonstrate, in layman's terms, how systemd is unfit for use in "sensitive environments"?

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#368 2014-11-20 20:32:10

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Re: boycott systemd

I am System D.
J'suis System D.
System D.
Soy System D.
Ik ben System D.
Ich bin System D.
Ég er System D.
私は System D.
Jag är System D.

Resistance is futile ... you will enjoy me!
lol lol lol lol lol lol


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#369 2014-11-20 21:14:00

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Re: boycott systemd

Sector11 wrote:

I am System D.
J'suis System D.
System D.
Soy System D.
Ik ben System D.
Ich bin System D.
Ég er System D.
私は System D.
Jag är System D.

Resistance is futile ... you will enjoy me!
lol lol lol lol lol lol

Don't you mean:

Je suis System D
Ich bin System D
etc
etc
O:)


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#370 2014-11-20 21:29:24

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Re: boycott systemd

^  Doesn't matter ... in any language the key thing is:

Resistance is futile ... you will enjoy me!


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#371 2014-11-20 21:35:04

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Re: boycott systemd

Sector11 wrote:

^  Doesn't matter ... in any language the key thing is:

Resistance is futile ... you will enjoy me!

Kind of a Borg thing then?


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#372 2014-11-20 21:57:33

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^ I was trying to lighten the mood here.

OH sure ... couldn't do that in blue ... nooooooooooooo had to be red - not my favorite colour.
But otherwise - very nice indeed!!!!!


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#373 2014-11-20 22:01:44

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Re: boycott systemd

Sector11 wrote:

^ I was trying to lighten the mood here.

OH sure ... couldn't do that in blue ... nooooooooooooo had to be red - not my favorite colour.
But otherwise - very nice indeed!!!!!

Red is threatening, blue is calming! (I've got it in blue as a GRUB splash screen though)


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#374 2014-11-21 00:18:31

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Re: boycott systemd

So anyway, it seems that there's been a vote among the Debian developers community (easily found via any internet search engine), and they've come to the conclusion that they don't need to come to a conclusion...and that this whole fracas has been for naught. hmm

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#375 2014-11-21 00:26:44

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Re: boycott systemd

^ You mean the really tall building I just jumped off was in vain?

Thanks pvsage... I'll see ya @ the bottom.   lol


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