boycott systemd

common-sense · 2014-11-18 23:25:00

g33zr wrote:

In short, I view the opposition to systemd as often unnecessarily shrill, similar to discussions about internet "security." But, as I said above, what do I know?

I'm pretty much on board with you in regards to the discussions about internet "security" also. Some people simply worry to much.

KrunchTime · 2014-11-19 06:58:05

g33zr wrote:

@KrunchTime: I think the boycottsystemd site, while perhaps expressing a valid concern or two about freedom, appears to ignore the argument voiced by others elsewhere that systemd functions better and is thus currently the best choice. If that were not the case, then Arch, Debian, et al. wouldn't have chosen it. Linux is, after all, about choice. If the devs of "name that distro" choose systemd over another init alternative, then we as users can accept that or select a another distro. Personally, if it works the way I prefer, that's fine with me.
In short, I view the opposition to systemd as often unnecessarily shrill, similar to discussions about internet "security." But, as I said above, what do I know?

01. I'll give you that systemd functions better. I played around with Antergos a few weeks ago and startup and shutdown were wicked fast.
02. I can't speak for Arch because I don't know their process for package selection, but Debian chose systemd by ONE VOTE. That's hardly an endorsement for the best choice IMO.
03. Selecting another distro...it appears that there will be very few choices, possibly all of them being BSD spins. I read in the Salix (Slackware derivative) forums that even Slackware may eventually have no choice but to use systemd.

Psst...hey Core, are we boring you yet?

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g33zr · 2014-11-19 13:50:15

^ Well, it is what it is. To each his own distro and init system.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2014-11-19 19:50:40

Good news for fans of system control:
The bug that causes #! & wheezy installs to switch to systemd without user intervention when upgraded to jessie has been identified:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-a … 00010.html

CrunchBang Waldorf installs that switch to track jessie will now keep sysvinit

jdonaghy · 2014-11-19 22:19:07

Slackware with systemd wouldn't be Slackware at all. Project might as well be done at that point, IMO. Please don't let that happen.

I don't mind systemd, but Slackware's init system is one of its main draws and one of the things that has always made it unique as a distro. BSD-style inits are the best. Slack and Crux and Frugalware, etc...They can't go.

Hrm. I hope it isn't true.

m1rr0r5h4d35 · 2014-11-20 02:16:05

Maybe it marks me as old and boring, but all the systemd weirdness aside, Microsoft just announced they are open sourcing the .net framework, and they actually have a list of open-source projects that they maintain. The world is not just changing, but changing in weird ways. I think my next hardware purchase will be a nice fountain pen, and an equally nice notebook.

Sector11 · 2014-11-20 02:27:06

^ notebook as in spiral binding paper type?

Head_on_a_Stick · 2014-11-20 07:33:42

It is worth noting that MicroSoft are contributors to the kernel...

They had a big commitment in 2012; it's died off since then, but still:
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/new … linux-2632
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04/03 … ributions/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/09/16 … port_2013/

pvsage · 2014-11-20 07:56:21

Sector11 wrote:

^ notebook as in spiral binding paper type?

NOOOOOOOO!!! Preferably sewn binding like in the typical "composition book", but "perfect binding" would be OK for smaller notebooks...I guess.
/off-topic

g33zr · 2014-11-20 14:04:39

My backup system includes classic reporters' notebooks with an array of pencils and pens.

kd5ob · 2014-11-20 15:20:57

My, how time flies when communism takes over your "thing"

pvsage · 2014-11-20 16:22:58

^ I guess time's been dragging for you then. O:)

Sector11 · 2014-11-20 17:29:13

Politics? No no no - this be Linux!

damo · 2014-11-20 18:03:29

Has anyone mentioned the wonderful systemd command to display the time taken for each service to start (in this thread anyway)? It seems very appropriate in the circumstances (and MUST have been deliberate by the devs?)

systemd-analyze blame

]:D

twoion · 2014-11-20 18:32:23

damo wrote:

Has anyone mentioned the wonderful systemd command to display the time taken for each service to start (in this thread anyway)? It seems very appropriate in the circumstances (and MUST have been deliberate by the devs?)
systemd-analyze blame
]:D

It's the the thing 99% of the people who don't use Linux in sensitive environments point out to make up for at least 50% of the reasons why systemd is so very useful.

damo · 2014-11-20 19:15:22

twoion wrote:

It's the the thing 99% of the people who don't use Linux in sensitive environments point out to make up for at least 50% of the reasons why systemd is so very useful.

I'm sorry, I can't get my head around that. It feels like there is a hidden double-negative there I can't make out! 8o :8

pvsage · 2014-11-20 19:24:06

twoion wrote:

damo wrote:
Has anyone mentioned the wonderful systemd command to display the time taken for each service to start (in this thread anyway)? It seems very appropriate in the circumstances (and MUST have been deliberate by the devs?)
systemd-analyze blame
]:D
It's the the thing 99% of the people who don't use Linux in sensitive environments point out to make up for at least 50% of the reasons why systemd is so very useful.

Lies, damn lies and statistics! - Mark Twain

Can you demonstrate, in layman's terms, how systemd is unfit for use in "sensitive environments"?

Sector11 · 2014-11-20 20:32:10

I am System D.
J'suis System D.
我 System D.
Soy System D.
Ik ben System D.
Ich bin System D.
Ég er System D.
私は System D.
Jag är System D.

Resistance is futile ... you will enjoy me!

damo · 2014-11-20 21:14:00

Sector11 wrote:

I am System D.
J'suis System D.
我 System D.
Soy System D.
Ik ben System D.
Ich bin System D.
Ég er System D.
私は System D.
Jag är System D.
Resistance is futile ... you will enjoy me!

Don't you mean:

Je suis System D
Ich bin System D
etc
etc
O:)

Sector11 · 2014-11-20 21:29:24

^ Doesn't matter ... in any language the key thing is:

Resistance is futile ... you will enjoy me!

damo · 2014-11-20 21:35:04

Sector11 wrote:

^ Doesn't matter ... in any language the key thing is:
Resistance is futile ... you will enjoy me!

Kind of a Borg thing then?

Sector11 · 2014-11-20 21:57:33

^ I was trying to lighten the mood here.

OH sure ... couldn't do that in blue ... nooooooooooooo had to be red - not my favorite colour.
But otherwise - very nice indeed!!!!!

damo · 2014-11-20 22:01:44

Sector11 wrote:

^ I was trying to lighten the mood here.
OH sure ... couldn't do that in blue ... nooooooooooooo had to be red - not my favorite colour.
But otherwise - very nice indeed!!!!!

Red is threatening, blue is calming! (I've got it in blue as a GRUB splash screen though)

pvsage · 2014-11-21 00:18:31

So anyway, it seems that there's been a vote among the Debian developers community (easily found via any internet search engine), and they've come to the conclusion that they don't need to come to a conclusion...and that this whole fracas has been for naught.

TicTac · 2014-11-21 00:26:44

^ You mean the really tall building I just jumped off was in vain?

Thanks pvsage... I'll see ya @ the bottom.

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