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#1 2014-03-17 11:33:55

HELPME
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From: the holley land
Registered: 2013-11-15
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[solved] obsoletus

why doesnt crunchbang update properly?
I have done
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get upgrade
sudo apt-get dist-upgrade

but they are remain the same even after reboot

 $ iceweasel -v
Mozilla Iceweasel 20.0
 $ thunar -V
Thunar 1.2.3 (Xfce 4.8)

http://pkgs.org/ shows there are newer versions for iceweasel under debian wheezy
crunchbang isnt even in that website
wikipedia says thunar is stable 1.6.3 and I have read somewhere that it has tabs now because I remember ubuntu had tabs and wondered why crunchbang didnt
and my web browser is buggy and laggy when it comes to choosing a file to upload

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#2 2014-03-17 11:38:19

saneks
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Re: [solved] obsoletus

crunchbang is based on debian stable.
the versions in the debian repositories are tested for stability, and might not be the latest versions.

you can install the latest version by hand or change the repositories to debian testing..


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#3 2014-03-17 11:42:06

tty-tourist
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Re: [solved] obsoletus

The backports repo is what you wanna use. See this.


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#4 2014-03-17 12:28:25

snowpine
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Re: [solved] obsoletus

CrunchBang updates exactly as intended by its creator.

If you want newer versions of Packages X and Y then use the forum Search feature how to get them. Fair warning that it might make your system less stable. smile


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#5 2014-03-17 13:58:46

tty-tourist
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Re: [solved] obsoletus

^ Iceweasel from backports is totally safe!


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#6 2014-03-17 14:23:29

snowpine
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Re: [solved] obsoletus

Installing a newer Iceweasel shouldn't be a problem.
Upgrading all of Xfce (to get a newer Thunar) would be a pretty big change.
Switching to Testing or Unstable repos would definitely affect stability.


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#7 2014-03-17 16:02:54

HELPME
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Re: [solved] obsoletus

okay I did it with great sums of success thanks for the link it did wonders for all that security stuff I did from the paranoid #! security guide
lol false sense of security
it seems most of that stuff wasnt even working before because some of them have become just annoying to me

I have since decidedly not going to change thunar
instead I am looking at all of the other alternatives to thunar
are there any that are simple to install and not affect my systems stability?
I dont know much about xfce and all of that stuff and how related to file navigators

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#8 2014-03-17 16:18:10

snowpine
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Re: [solved] obsoletus

Personally I use Linux Mint Xfce Edition, it has the newer Thunar with the tabs.

Good luck! smile


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#9 2014-03-17 17:52:07

Copper0
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Registered: 2013-07-02
Posts: 149

Re: [solved] obsoletus

If you are trying to get away from Thunar, I settled on SpaceFM after 'file manager hopping'. Just love how customizable it is.

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#10 2014-03-17 18:01:32

corenominal
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Re: [solved] obsoletus

HELPME wrote:

I have since decidedly not going to change thunar
instead I am looking at all of the other alternatives to thunar
are there any that are simple to install and not affect my systems stability?

There is always Nautilus. Some may poo poo it, due to its GNOME affiliations, but it is pretty stable and has the tabs you are looking for. If you install it without recommended dependencies, it is fairly lean. I use it everyday at work, due to its tabs and network bookmarking.

sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends nautilus

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#11 2014-03-17 18:38:06

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Re: [solved] obsoletus

It would seems that IceWeasel is now updated with wheezy, to version 24. cool

Thanks corenominal. (It was you, wasn't it?)

(EDITS: my engRish is sometimes awful!)

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#12 2014-03-17 19:32:26

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Re: [solved] obsoletus

Looks like papanominal dumped the outdated packages that were blocking Debian updates. smile


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#13 2014-03-17 22:06:57

HELPME
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Re: [solved] obsoletus

yikes salute! all hail 1337 Master Foo!!!!!!!!!
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corenominal wrote:
sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends nautilus

after I do that is there anything else I should do?
in .config/openbox/autostart I found

## Start Thunar Daemon
thunar --daemon &

do I just replace thunar with nautilus or is nautilus different?
because there are no --daemons in the .config/openbox/menu.xml
that is why Im asking

besides those two files I cant think of anything else I need to do but what do I know? ! 4M JV57 #008

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#14 2014-03-17 22:33:03

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Re: [solved] obsoletus

Just remove the 'thunar --daemon' reference. Also, you could create a redirect script named 'thunar' in your bin directory, something like:

#!/bin/bash
/usr/bin/nautilus "$@"
exit 0

^ will effectively launch Nautilus whenever Thunar is called upon. Remember to make it executable:

chmod +x ~/bin/thunar

Works for me smile


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#15 2014-03-17 22:46:45

Different55
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Re: [solved] obsoletus

If I install nautilus could I purge or remove thunar to free up some space?


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#16 2014-03-17 22:53:40

snowpine
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Re: [solved] obsoletus

Removing Thunar would save you $0.001 of hard drive space; it would be more profitable to go for a walk and look for pennies on the sidewalk. (which is snowpine-talk for "yes") wink

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#17 2014-03-17 22:59:13

snowpine
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Re: [solved] obsoletus

snowpine wrote:

Looks like papanominal dumped the outdated packages that were blocking Debian updates. smile

^--- As I think about it, an elegant solution... addition through subtraction. Well played Corenominal!


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#18 2014-03-18 01:31:38

vlax
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Registered: 2012-12-25
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Re: [solved] obsoletus

snowpine wrote:
snowpine wrote:

Looks like papanominal dumped the outdated packages that were blocking Debian updates. smile

^--- As I think about it, an elegant solution... addition through subtraction. Well played Corenominal!

^  +1 smile


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#19 2014-03-18 01:35:50

HELPME
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From: the holley land
Registered: 2013-11-15
Posts: 256
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Re: [solved] obsoletus

corenominal wrote:

Just remove the 'thunar --daemon' reference. Also, you could create a redirect script named 'thunar' in your bin directory, something like:

#!/bin/bash
/usr/bin/nautilus "$@"
exit 0

^ will effectively launch Nautilus whenever Thunar is called upon. Remember to make it executable:

chmod +x ~/bin/thunar

Works for me smile

wow I am really impressed!  big_smile
because at first I was skeptical if it would even work but now I have learned the true potential of the ~/bin directory!
I didnt know the scripts where autocalled from there with precedence
this makes life simpler

I remember using nautilus from the ubuntu linux and the........I just spent some time comparing them
before you read
this is all of my own opinion and yours may differ slightly or majorly
are you sure?

points towards nautilus

tabs obviously

executable files can be run when opened or otherwise viewed in the editor
but I much prefer to be asked each time as a personal preference
thunar doesnt appear at first glance to give to me the same options
and instead decides to execute them every time regardless of how I feel about things

trash has two buttons for empty and restore
thunar has no specialized trash buttons
although being crunchbang just need to right click and empty is the first option
wish there was a restore button right below that though for those just in case moments

the search and back and forwards buttons on the right side
just found back and forwards along with parent in the go menu and we right click for the catfish
so this isnt really a strong point its more aesthetically pleasing in a sort of way for me at least
view > location selector > toolbar style doesnt count and is missing the search button anyway

this is giving me the option to open folders with thunar
its not a mutual agreement

f3 extra pane
I have never used this before and didnt even know it even existed

help > find a lost file
there is a link for recover a file from the trash
this is actually deceptive and so is that button in the trash for restore
all they do is put the file back where it came from
does not restore if trash is empty -_________-
does have instructions for how to hide files and it works as intended this time
but I already knew how to do that

edit > undo and redo

points towards thunar

I just found out we can have thumbnail previews!
although nautilus gives better options for local files only and the maximum file size for the previews

both have single/double click but only thunar has hover select
wish hover select slider was more informative
single click doesnt work without hover select not for me anyway

right click open terminal here
right click open root terminal here
right click open as root

view > location selector for selecting either to use pathbar or toolbar styles
I have no idea how to change this with nautilus but it was possible when I had it with my ubuntu
maybe

emblems
although this is probably due to the nature I installed nautilus because it had them too when I used it with ubuntu

I prefer the size one time zoomed out from default
but I cant seem to make the same with nautilus is too small and too far spaced apart

overall ubuntu got me so used to tabs its almost unbearable to do without
but at the same time crunchbang has me hooked on the hover select with single click combo
plus everything I take for granted and didnt know about
I anticipate that the next crunchbang will be something to be reckoned with if it comes with the newer thunar!

as I know that the more recent releases of thunar comes with tabs
I can only hope it will at least give the option about how it handles executables
why would I want to execute every time when I click? I just autorun them all
also hope it comes with edit > undo and redo

I dont know about the extra pane when I can just open another but I guess dealing with these two now was kind of frustrating juggling them all because when I click on the fullscreen browser window they both dissappear together and yet seperately
I admit there is value to the extra pane since Im a fullscreen kind of guy
but thunar wins hands down in the end

apparently there are newer release versions of nautilus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nautilus_(file_manager) wrote:

Version 3.6 introduced a revamped UI design, symbolic sidebar icon, new search feature, removal of many features such as setting window background, emblems, split pane mode, spatial mode, scripts, compact view mode and tree view. Nautilus' application name was renamed to Files.[12] These major changes led to a lot of criticism, and various vendors such as Linux Mint decided to fork version 3.4.[13][14]
Version 3.8 included a new option to view files and folders as a tree, a new Connect to Server item in the sidebar and incremental loading of search results.[15]
Version 3.10 introduced a slightly revamped UI design merge titlebars and toolbars into a single element called header bars.

I have 3.4.2

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#20 2014-03-18 01:40:59

Alad
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Registered: 2014-02-20
Posts: 1,512

Re: [solved] obsoletus

About SpaceFM, it's pretty good (with the right plugins) but also pretty unstable. I'd advise using spacefm-next from git.

Good find on the thunar-redirect, but I personally do it the "right" way by installing a "x-file-manager" alternative and removing all the hard-coded references to thunar.   tongue

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#21 2014-03-18 06:14:28

pvsage
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Posts: 13,970

Re: [solved] obsoletus

Very well done with the Iceweasel, corenominal. cool  Though I have to admit I always thought it was a little short-sighted to include any binary in the Waldorf repo and pin Waldorf above 1000 if you didn't plan to keep the binaries up-to-date with the Wheezy security builds.

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#22 2014-03-18 08:17:31

corenominal
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Re: [solved] obsoletus

pvsage wrote:

Very well done with the Iceweasel, corenominal. cool  Though I have to admit I always thought it was a little short-sighted to include any binary in the Waldorf repo and pin Waldorf above 1000 if you didn't plan to keep the binaries up-to-date with the Wheezy security builds.

Agreed, although TBH, I think Iceweasel is always going to be a PITA. Going forward, I think the best solution will be to stick with the official build and provide easy guidance for anyone wanting to update/upgrade.


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