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#1951 2014-08-15 01:14:08

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Re: Ideas for Janice

it would probably help bring back the development if more distros supported it to spread the word

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#1952 2014-08-15 03:28:21

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Re: Ideas for Janice

From the sound of his blog it is probably a bigger beef with systemd. But as he has said nothing stopping anyone from forking it.

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#1953 2014-08-15 03:44:51

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Re: Ideas for Janice

damo wrote:
}haimo[ wrote:

Btw, I like the idea of toggling touchpad with a script. I managed to create a simple script to do it for my specific touchpad, and have set a "Super + Alt + t" shortcut in OpenBox to run it. I am happy if that could contribute to the next #! release smile

Many of us already do the same thing, but with the variety of hardware possible for #! it is unlikely to be straightforward to have a universal script(s).

To the extent that synclient is already in the stock autostart, I think synclient TouchpadOff=1 would be an adequate/sane default, and modifying X or your mouse driver probably isn't . Here's a quick and dirty shell script to toggle it:

#! /bin/bash
synclient -l | awk '/TouchpadOff/ {print $1"="1-$3}' | xargs synclient

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#1954 2014-08-17 15:36:15

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Re: Ideas for Janice

I really miss the command-line guessing that Mint used to do for me, like I type 'rgip' and I got ''did you mean grip from package weeble?''. Of course I could find out how to do it myself, someday, when I'm not too busy.

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#1955 2014-08-17 15:42:45

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Re: Ideas for Janice

udevil is broken in Arch, so it might soon be in Debian. hmm

edit: @Mute Ant: but you weren't too busy to register and post here? wink

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#1956 2014-08-18 09:46:11

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Re: Ideas for Janice

Mute Ant wrote:

I really miss the command-line guessing that Mint used to do for me, like I type 'rgip' and I got ''did you mean grip from package weeble?''. Of course I could find out how to do it myself, someday, when I'm not too busy.

That is handled by the "command-not-found" package. It is only one apt-get away.

What I would like for the next version is an official "install-script" or puppet config or similar, so that you can take a standard debian install and after a few questions get all the niceness of crunchbang.

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#1957 2014-08-18 17:56:23

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Re: Ideas for Janice

@xill that is a brilliant idea smile

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#1958 2014-08-22 23:31:07

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Re: Ideas for Janice

Hi guys....

Just a yes/no question:

Will there be a janice 12 crunchbang version?  sad 

IF yes, some ESTIMATED eta?


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#1959 2014-08-22 23:33:26

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Re: Ideas for Janice

@ElQuia --- I don't know about Janice, but Debian Jessie should transition to Stable (Debian 8.0) in early May 2015...

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#1960 2014-08-23 00:03:04

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Re: Ideas for Janice

OK thanks. Long time between releases....  sad


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#1961 2014-08-23 01:10:13

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Re: Ideas for Janice

@ ElQuia

YES! - It will be called #! 12- Janice

Exact ETA: When corenominal has it ready. Around the same time as Debian Jessie becomes stable (see above)

Crunchbang is based on Debian Stable and has a ±2 year cycle based on whenever Debian decides to change "Stable" - because some people prefer stability over being on the edge.

cool

ElQuia wrote:

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Muy lindo, a veces no es muy fácil! Podemos aprender cantar bajo la lluvia también!

EDITED: Due to a major :8 OOPS! :8 as seen in pvsage's post below.

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#1962 2014-08-23 07:38:06

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Re: Ideas for Janice

@Sector11:  Unless you've heard something from corenominal that the rest of us haven't, !# 12 will be called Janice and will be based on Debian Jessie, which is named after the yodeling cowgirl.  (Easy to mix up Muppets and Toy Story characters though. wink )

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#1963 2014-08-23 13:42:13

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Re: Ideas for Janice

pvsage wrote:

@Sector11:  Unless you've heard something from corenominal that the rest of us haven't, !# 12 will be called Janice and will be based on Debian Jessie, which is named after the yodeling cowgirl.  (Easy to mix up Muppets and Toy Story characters though. wink )

DUH! OOPS!  Seems like I put a size 9 foot in a size 6 mouth and made it fit.  big_smile

But the Jessie I linked to was a Muppet not a Toy Story character - so at least I was in the eight ball park.
I shall EDIT my post! ... this is sooooooooooooo embarrassing!

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#1964 2014-08-23 18:39:55

ElQuia
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Re: Ideas for Janice

OK guys, thanks.

Just a suggestion, there ARE some programs that run a faster stable cycle,  aka libre office, others like smplayer that need (new codecs, etc) to be updated faster...
Couldn't here be a sort of "middle ground" (optional under user responsibility) feature, something like a EASY script (for us non linux programmers) to set up backports for those programs with their respective OB menu items?
I know the how to is all over the forums, I would be REALLY nice having a post install script (or a script you could run anytime) offering you some alternatives:
1- ROCK stable
2- STABLE OS, with some evolving software
3- TESTING.

Tnanks for listening and answering  smile


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#1965 2014-08-23 18:49:01

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Re: Ideas for Janice

^ I disagree on putting sid/testing in the install script, as that would flood the forums is too tempting for beginners. However, besides already available backports, you could write an auto-backport script -- perhaps a wrapper around cowbuilder or so. Far from an elegant solution; the chroot approach springs to mind again.

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#1966 2014-08-23 19:40:53

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Re: Ideas for Janice

I am NOT a programmer, I am an hardware guy, a very advanced user with some basic (very basic)  knowledge of what IS a script.
And I am trying with some success to spread linux use for my community and clients, even CrunchBang!

So put in the iso a script for backports, leave the testing out, make it available on forums with a "take your own risk no help for this".


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#1967 2014-08-23 21:28:43

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Re: Ideas for Janice

@ElQuia: If you add Backports (assuming you haven't added other distribution channels without apt-pinning) to your /etc/apt/sources.list and do not add anything to /etc/apt/preferences regarding Backports, it will automatically be pinned at 100, which means "Once you specifically install a package from here, updates will be preferentially taken from here; if you don't install a package from here, updates here will be ignored."  Does this meet your "(optional under user responsibility) middle ground"?  Perhaps if the line were included in the default file, but commented out along with a comment block explaining how Backports works?

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#1968 2014-08-23 22:18:08

ElQuia
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Re: Ideas for Janice

IA (aka internal affairs jaja):

Well that is the basic idea, but as I usually upgrade or install a LOT of Oses, it would be NICE having a semi automatic way of doing it, by it I mean going for a Stable/with more modern software distro. ALWAYS optional a post install script... or something like that.

I have clients who prefer stable even old. but others who (just an example) use libre office on windows at now version 4.3.xxxx and want the same on their old PC or notebook with CBang...


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#1969 2014-08-23 22:28:13

Alad
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Re: Ideas for Janice

^

#!/bin/sh
# Backports enabler 9000
echo "deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-backports main non-free contrib" >> /etc/apt/sources.list
apt-get update -y
sudo backports-enabler-9000.sh

But, I'm curious where your clients see the difference between LibreOffice 4.3 and Libreoffice 3, or even OpenOffice 2, CrunchBanger.

Also note #! does not support "full" backports (i.e, pinned at 500); if you want a broken system like that, there's MEPIS and MX-14.  {)

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#1970 2014-08-24 00:14:55

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Re: Ideas for Janice

^ Or Statler. tongue  (We had Live ISOs of Statler that had Backports pinned that high.  I never had trouble with that, but apparently some have, and it seems to have been a greater cause for concern in Wheezy/Waldorf.)

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#1971 2014-08-24 19:56:42

ElQuia
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Re: Ideas for Janice

But, I'm curious where your clients see the difference between LibreOffice 4.3 and Libreoffice 3, or even OpenOffice 2, CrunchBanger

I would not know, I use excel or calc for my small buisiness accounts. Have a bunch of clientes that BREATHE & excret excel or calc that DO see a difference. Not my field bro.


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#1972 2014-08-24 20:16:01

ElQuia
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From: Cordoba, Argentina
Registered: 2009-04-12
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Re: Ideas for Janice

WOW yikes for this:

http://slartie.com/issues/newsletter-issue-0007#topic01

The thing is HOW do I do it? ... I mean get a waldorf (an later janice) system running on unstable instead of stable or testing?
Am available to test in a VBox VM


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#1973 2014-08-24 20:22:12

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Re: Ideas for Janice

@ElQuia --- just use a Debian Sid VM inside a stock #! Waldorf install wink

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#1974 2014-08-24 23:44:38

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Re: Ideas for Janice

@ElQuia ...

Most #! people use the stable repros and wheezy+backports repros

... the 'backports' repros draw/use from the testing and unstable repros.


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#1975 2014-08-25 16:18:04

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Re: Ideas for Janice

smile


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