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#1801 2014-05-13 15:41:07

jeffreyC
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Re: Ideas for Janice

Alad wrote:

@damo: Makes sense - though it seems SLiM still has a few issues with systemd.

From reading the bug reports linked to by the wiki entry it appears the bugs have been fixed and the wiki is out of date.


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#1802 2014-05-13 17:56:10

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Re: Ideas for Janice

You're right, fixed in Arch, and in Debian also.  8o

slim (1.3.6-1) unstable; urgency=medium

  * Add myself to the list of uploaders with permission from Nobuhiro Iwamatsu.
  * Fix systemd support: (Closes: #741511)
    - debian/fix-systemd-service.patch: Add missing
      "WantedBy=graphical.target" slim.service file.
    - debian/control: Add dh-systemd to build depends.
    - debian/rules: Add dh_systemd support.

-- Mateusz Łukasik <mati75@linuxmint.pl>  Fri, 14 Mar 2014 23:20:35 +0100

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#1803 2014-05-13 18:08:12

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Re: Ideas for Janice

samdraz wrote:
Alad wrote:

@damo: Makes sense - though it seems SLiM still has a few issues with systemd.

hope they fix it soon and integrates properly with plymouth(time delay still exist)

Alternatively just dump plymouth, having the boot messages scroll by is credibly geeky.


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#1804 2014-05-13 19:51:21

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Re: Ideas for Janice

I used to have a pretty neat plymouth theme I made, but I decided I prefer the scrolling messages anyway big_smile

I could manage OK without slim, but I use a different theme for each installation in case I've forgotten which one I've booted to!


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#1805 2014-05-13 19:54:58

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Re: Ideas for Janice

damo wrote:

I could manage OK without slim, but I use a different theme for each installation in case I've forgotten which one I've booted to!

That's always fun. I try to use distro-branded wallpaper/themes whenever possible. When you're running four distros and keeping up with four package management systems, you're bound to get confused on occasion. I'll try to apt-get in Arch, pacman in Debian, emerge in Salix... whatever. Lol.


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#1806 2014-05-13 20:08:06

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Re: Ideas for Janice

jdonaghy wrote:
damo wrote:

I could manage OK without slim, but I use a different theme for each installation in case I've forgotten which one I've booted to!

That's always fun. I try to use distro-branded wallpaper/themes whenever possible. When you're running four distros and keeping up with four package management systems, you're bound to get confused on occasion. I'll try to apt-get in Arch, pacman in Debian, emerge in Salix... whatever. Lol.

Which is one of the biggest reasons I stick with one base distro.


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#1807 2014-05-15 18:59:37

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Re: Ideas for Janice

+1 for whatever UEFI support #! has control over (the bulk of it being in Debian's upstream hands). My PC's recent catastrophic hardware failure has left a surplus-no-os-included iMac as my only computer and it just won't take #! (and the more I use Unity, the more I miss it >.<).

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#1808 2014-05-16 23:42:00

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Re: Ideas for Janice

Include the dnsutils package
The times you might need basic tools like nslookup / dig which you expect to be available in any operating system for troubleshooting are precisely the times when apt-get will be broken


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#1809 2014-05-18 01:41:09

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Re: Ideas for Janice

Hi again.

Is there a test ISO or a testing release of sorts for testing on #! 12 or does Jessie have to come out of alpha first?

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#1810 2014-05-18 02:03:25

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#1811 2014-05-18 03:34:40

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Re: Ideas for Janice

I see, so there is no sort of release until Jessie freezes.

Gotcha, thanx.

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#1812 2014-05-18 06:34:38

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Re: Ideas for Janice

What about having the smxi stub installer in Janice ?


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#1813 2014-05-18 13:50:57

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Re: Ideas for Janice

I like Crunchbang Linux (Live CD) but i installed native Debian Wheezy Openbox with cool effects from Crunchbang (e.g. fonts, icons, ...).
My problem is the fact that i want to dist-upgrade my installation without no problem eg. from Wheezy to Jessie. The best possibility is to install pure Debian and use only packages lists (eg. cb-metapackage) and configurations (cb-...) without the need of installation full Crunchbang or deb-packages from Crunchbang.
Perhaps it is possible to Janice to minimize the packages in http://packages.crunchbang.org further. For example is it really nessary to use own packages for arandr, cairo, tint2, thunar, xdotool, ... Is it not possible to summarize Crunchbang scripts and config files in one or a few  packages? The advantage of Crunchbang is the fact that it is 95 percent pure Debian with 5 percent really good Crunchbang configuration and programms ... perhaps you can minimize #! and because Debian is so cool it would be the best Debian based distrbution ever.

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#1814 2014-05-18 14:16:08

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Re: Ideas for Janice

^ Personally, I don't think it is somethin Crunchbang should support. Crunchbang is it's own respin, it just happens to be 95% Debian. AFAIK those packages are compiled with or without specific options not enabled in Debian builds by default.


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#1815 2014-05-18 14:30:57

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Re: Ideas for Janice

it would be the best Debian based distrbution ever.

Correction: CrunchBang is the best Debian respin ever!

OK, that's a personal opinion!

But, that's why there are distros out there that try to mirror #!  big_smile

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#1816 2014-05-18 14:39:07

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Re: Ideas for Janice

Sector11 wrote:

But, that's why there are distros out there that try to mirror #!  big_smile

OT but have you seen the latest microwatt release? Look familiar?
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery... big_smile

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#1817 2014-05-18 16:01:51

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Re: Ideas for Janice

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
Sector11 wrote:

But, that's why there are distros out there that try to mirror #!  big_smile

OT but have you seen the latest microwatt release? Look familiar?
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery... big_smile

WOW! It does look like it doesn't it.

OK, back to the topic at hand.  big_smile


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#1818 2014-05-21 14:09:46

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Re: Ideas for Janice

A couple of suggestions for Crunchbang 12 'Janice' would be: 1.) for CD/DVD burner to use K3B instead of Xfburn; and
2.) to include the Firewall 'ufw' as part of the post-script install options... wink


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#1819 2014-05-21 14:19:09

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Re: Ideas for Janice

2.) to include the Firewall 'ufw' as part of the post-script install options...

On a desktop system i do not need a firewall and never install it.

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#1820 2014-05-21 16:19:41

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Re: Ideas for Janice

Me neither. Don't really see the point.


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#1821 2014-05-21 16:35:03

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Re: Ideas for Janice

I'm behind smoothwall express, and #! has iptables, what do I need another firewall for?


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#1822 2014-05-21 18:09:44

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Re: Ideas for Janice

I stand corrected by Bearded Blunderer - I was not aware of the smoothwall express firewall - nor the intracacies of iptables mechanics on Crunchbang OS - my apologies.  yikes


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#1823 2014-05-21 18:12:39

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Re: Ideas for Janice

UFW has on-demand firewalling, which is pretty neat. I have my standard iptables rules set, and then when I walk away from the computer, I sudo ufw enable so that everything is locked down. This is also a laptop so when I travel for work I always harden my firewall rules, and having the option to 'sudo ufw enable' on-demand is pretty key for me.

Plus, this idea of not using a firewall...do you have any idea how easy it is to compromise a router or switch? smile

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#1824 2014-05-21 18:13:35

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Re: Ideas for Janice

K3B would bring in KDE   sad

ufw isn't another firewall but a front end to iptables:

Description: program for managing a Netfilter firewall
The Uncomplicated FireWall is a front-end for iptables, to make managing a Netfilter firewall easier. It
provides a command line interface with syntax similar to OpenBSD's Packet Filter. It is particularly
well-suited as a host-based firewall.
Homepage: https://launchpad.net/ufw


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#1825 2014-05-21 22:29:13

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Re: Ideas for Janice

I've no real problem with an easy front-end. I can see where it could be handy for the many WiFi enabled folding computer brigade..

On the other hand I'd like to see a CD size image too, I certainly don't want to see #! start on the slippery slope to 3 terminal emulators, 4 web browsers, 5 media players, 9 text editors.. I've loaded such distros, they take a week to boot and run slower than windows.

By all means offer it if there's a consensus that it's the one to have, but not if it's something half the population will change for something else anyway (or remove).

A firewall front-end isn't a browser or terminal emulator or text editor you need to have one of even if your personal agenda item #1 is change it for a different one... it falls into the easy to get the one *you* prefer category.


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