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#1776 2014-05-08 02:04:37

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Re: Ideas for Janice

samdraz wrote:

yikes , What about firewall?

firewalld might be good modern approach for managing security

You have a firewall built in: iptables   wink


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#1777 2014-05-08 03:32:50

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Re: Ideas for Janice

Unia wrote:

Have you heard of Termite?

I hadn't. Now I have. smile

Thanks. It's rather nice.


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#1778 2014-05-08 13:04:44

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Re: Ideas for Janice

What about firewall? Given 99+% of users are behind NAT which acts as a pretty good firewall anyway what do you achieve? If you're purposely exposing a service you'll make a rule for it, either in the router, or router and firewall, thereby exposing it anyway, and if not any attacker can't reach it to exploit any weaknesses because the ports aren't forwarded.

#! isn't windows where people accidentally install random crap that maps ports via UPNP without telling them..


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#1779 2014-05-08 14:44:21

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Re: Ideas for Janice

SpaceFM and udevil developer, IgnorantGuru, has put his projects into hiatus:

https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04 … us-hiatus/

Although his software are pretty stable as-is, it is something to think about if #! were to use them.

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#1780 2014-05-08 17:50:43

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^  I also liked and used his pcmanfm-mod, the predecessor to spacefm, then spacefm for a while as well ...

And Spacefm is in testing & SID repos:  so maybe for Janice and hence #! as well.  big_smile

spacefm (0.9.4-1) Multi-panel tabbed file manager - GTK2 version
spacefm-common (0.9.4-1) Multi-panel tabbed file manager - common files
spacefm-gtk3 (0.9.4-1) Multi-panel tabbed file manager - GTK3 version
spacefm-hal virtual package provided by spacefm

as well as the original pcmanfm .. that's in stable repos as well

pcmanfm (0.9.10-3) extremely fast and lightweight file manager
pcmanfm-dbg (0.9.10-3) extremely fast and lightweight file manager (debug)

thunar is the heaviest of the three, spacefm is in the middle, and pcmanfm is the lightest.

s11 hooked on thunar though.  big_smile


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#1781 2014-05-12 10:04:16

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Include the numix themes and icon sets by default would be nice. They are very active and their works is complete. If anything include the icons they really are superb.

Im onboard for lightdm.


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#1782 2014-05-12 16:46:35

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Re: Ideas for Janice

Sadin wrote:

Im onboard for lightdm.

Why lightdm over slim? I believe slim is lighter. Not to mention lightdm's offputting scent.


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#1783 2014-05-12 16:52:43

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Re: Ideas for Janice

"Light" in times of quad-core CPUs and terabyte storage? And what "scent"?

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#1784 2014-05-12 17:23:20

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@ jdonaghy & Alad

I have a sinus problem, scent isn't an issue ... so which is really lighter?
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#1785 2014-05-12 17:36:14

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^ Less dependencies does not equal being more lightweight.


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#1786 2014-05-12 17:42:21

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Re: Ideas for Janice

anonymous wrote:

SpaceFM and udevil developer, IgnorantGuru, has put his projects into hiatus:

https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04 … us-hiatus/

Although his software are pretty stable as-is, it is something to think about if #! were to use them.

He has stopped working on it because he does not like systemd, it looks like he is moving to BSD.
How this will work out with Debian moving to systemd ?


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#1787 2014-05-12 17:45:24

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Re: Ideas for Janice

Alad wrote:

"Light" in times of quad-core CPUs and terabyte storage? And what "scent"?

The stench of the Canonical licensing agreement for developers ?


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#1788 2014-05-12 18:00:01

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Unia wrote:

^ Less dependencies does not equal being more lightweight.

OH I didn't know that.  How does one determine light from heavy?


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#1789 2014-05-12 18:28:21

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Re: Ideas for Janice

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Unia wrote:

^ Less dependencies does not equal being more lightweight.

OH I didn't know that.  How does one determine light from heavy?

For starters, I would look at RAM footprint, after one is logged in ...


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#1790 2014-05-12 18:53:30

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Re: Ideas for Janice

iMBeCil wrote:
Sector11 wrote:
Unia wrote:

^ Less dependencies does not equal being more lightweight.

OH I didn't know that.  How does one determine light from heavy?

For starters, I would look at RAM footprint, after one is logged in ...

Hmmmm ... I read that lightdm had (has) a memory leak  ... I'll chech around (ie: search) ... thanks.


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#1791 2014-05-12 19:01:36

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Sector11 wrote:
iMBeCil wrote:
Sector11 wrote:

OH I didn't know that.  How does one determine light from heavy?

For starters, I would look at RAM footprint, after one is logged in ...

Hmmmm ... I read that lightdm had (has) a memory leak  ... I'll chech around (ie: search) ... thanks.

Well, being the minimalist, I ditched SLIM (too), and now I use .xinitrc to start my PekWM ... And that solved all possible problems with memory leaks as well  wink


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#1792 2014-05-12 19:11:17

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(O shi-  double post?!? Somebody divided by zero ...)

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#1793 2014-05-12 21:00:32

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^ i did just yesterday and it hurt like heck!  ]:D

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#1794 2014-05-12 21:09:08

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Re: Ideas for Janice

iMBeCil wrote:
Sector11 wrote:
iMBeCil wrote:

For starters, I would look at RAM footprint, after one is logged in ...

Hmmmm ... I read that lightdm had (has) a memory leak  ... I'll chech around (ie: search) ... thanks.

Well, being the minimalist, I ditched SLIM (too), and now I use .xinitrc to start my PekWM ... And that solved all possible problems with memory leaks as well  wink

I didn't know about a memory leak. Admittedly, the weight difference is probably negligible otherwise. I don't see any particular reason for replacing slim in the distro, though. I've always considered myself rather close to slim. And it does its job well. Certainly don't think it has done anything worthy of our neglect. Personally, I also enjoy the NDM (no-display-manager) approach.


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#1795 2014-05-12 21:26:57

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Re: Ideas for Janice

SLiM has more advantages and fewer disadvantages than LightDM.

With SLiM we can have slimlock (which is built in) and nitroslim.

With LightDM we can have the Canonical Licensing Agreement.


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#1796 2014-05-12 22:37:11

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I don't like the Cannonical Licensing Agreement, but I wouldn't care. The only point I see against this change (or any change) is that I think that we need a reason behind every change, such as a bug in SLiM that isn't fixed by the time we start testing or a big feature in LightDM.

About the firewall, it's a nice idea, but iptables fulfills my requirements (for now, at least).

For the rest of the packages, I wouldn't really add or remove anything (Abiword maybe), as I don't use the live system and every time I install CB I add Code::Blocks and a lot of browsers (Chrome, Chromium, Firefox and Opera), but that is something that only a few people would need.

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#1797 2014-05-13 06:29:54

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Re: Ideas for Janice

I don't know the technical/philosophical differences between slim and lightdm, but I do know that the lightdm gtk-greeter can't be themed (apart from the background image) by the average user. The defaults are ugly imo, and it seems to be only the non-gtk greeters that are themeable (but I doubt many on crunchbang want to run a unity/kde/gnome desktop). The webkit greeter is more amenable to change but you need to be familiar with html/css/javascript, and there are yet more dependencies to drag in.

In contrast, slim does the job, and is easily themeable .


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#1798 2014-05-13 13:06:53

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Re: Ideas for Janice

^+1
UPDATE:  I just discovered (through this conversation) slimlock and nitroslim which seem to work perfectly together to give me the smoothest log in/of experience ever! if the problems with systemd should remain i`d say: let`s forget about systemd and stay with slim.
referring to posts beneath my own feels so cool  cool

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#1799 2014-05-13 15:22:46

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@damo: Makes sense - though it seems SLiM still has a few issues with systemd.

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#1800 2014-05-13 15:34:07

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Re: Ideas for Janice

Alad wrote:

@damo: Makes sense - though it seems SLiM still has a few issues with systemd.

hope they fix it soon and integrates properly with plymouth(time delay still exist)

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