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I may be wrong here, but it seems to me that the welcome script, at least in part, is what makes #! so special. The gist of what I'm getting from this thread so far, is that just about everybody would like a much more in-depth "welcome experience" with a bunch of options for what to load up on the system - both catering to the GUI and the CLI crowd.
Sound about right?
I guess so (:
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I think that the welcome script is the obvious choice to use to add things and not 'change' the overall install and first boot experiences or ISO size... a better way to please more by adding less
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^ Or smxi as part of the script or install
I was just about to suggest the same thing It has stopped my nvidia installation gymnastics!
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Because my laptop is old & shitty. It only has one VGA port that is broken. Also i just find multiple desktops messy & ineffective. But some people enjoy that kind of setup.@ew
Of course i know it's easy to change the number of desktops. It was merely an idea, not an demand. Might as well been the other way around.
Sure, fine by me. No problem. I can change the number of desktop myself. But I actually think that the top tint2-bar, split into two taskbars gives Crunchbang a uniqe look....
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I suggest using mpd + ncmpcpp as audio player. When properly configured, works like a charm
Also:
- remove Gimp, Abiword and Gnumeric (or include them in a more heavy iso, perhaps DVD?);
- give the opportunity to install Firefox Aurora/Nightly in the welcome script;
- give choice between stable and testing/sid repos, deb-multimedia etc.
- work on ubuntu-like font rendering.
I'm a newcomer, but i used to think of CB as a good desktop base, and a good desktop needs something between stable and updated!
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I've always been surprised how few people seem to dislike terminator. I found it overkill and always switch to urxvt. There are other candidate terminal emulators too though. The choice matters somewhat because it's built into many menu entries etc.
+1 for radiotray, preferably with a choice selection of (working) stations. Just a nice simple app that seems to fit right in.
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give choice between stable and testing/sid repos, deb-multimedia etc.
I don't disagree, but would like to point out the the choice between stable and testing was present when choosing between Statler and Waldorf, and will be again when an iso's built for Janice.
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I've always been surprised how few people seem to dislike terminator. I found it overkill and always switch to urxvt. There are other candidate terminal emulators too though. The choice matters somewhat because it's built into many menu entries etc.
I've often wondered about that as well. I think it's because terminator is the most obvious everything-plus-kitchen-sink solution.
Not many people know about (or even want to learn about) Xresources, which would be required to configure rxvt or xterm, while you just have to right-click to access configuration menus in terminator. You also get mouse-controlled splitting and tabbing out-of-the-box with terminator, something you'd only be able to achieve with a multiplexer (screen, tmux, dvtm) and/or tabbing plugin for rxvt. Most of the 'big name' terminal emulators offer one or the other, but not both (xfce4-term and sakura have tabbing but no splitting, for example). Others like gnome-terminal or konsole probably bring in too many DE related dependencies.
In terminator's defence, it was very good in the early days (when bundled with #! 8.10/9.04). Only later did it get slow and heavy (like all pythons when they reach maturity). I think Papanom just stuck with it for the sake of familiarity.
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Also can Janice be like Waldorf but with added bits of coolness here and there? I really like Waldorf. I'm at that point where I now know which linux distro is my favorite and I can easily say that #! is my favorite. I'm really looking forward for Janice's release. How about you guys include Guayadeque Music Player to #! ? Just a thought (one of the best music players out there imo).
ok ok so guayadeque is not THE best but it's right up there next to Audacious, just wanted to clarify that. Not that anyone cares, haha.
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nebulaehair wrote:Also can Janice be like Waldorf but with added bits of coolness here and there? I really like Waldorf. I'm at that point where I now know which linux distro is my favorite and I can easily say that #! is my favorite. I'm really looking forward for Janice's release. How about you guys include Guayadeque Music Player to #! ? Just a thought (one of the best music players out there imo).
ok ok so guayadeque is not THE best but it's right up there next to Audacious, just wanted to clarify that. Not that anyone cares, haha.
Also, is there an official date of the release of Janice yet?
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^ When corenominal builds it. Seriously though, if Waldorf is any indication, it will probably be sometime next spring; the first Waldorf images were available about a year after Statler/Squeeze had gone stable.
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If we have something like
Jockey GTK
#! will be much more user friendly. Not everyone can or want to go to the console or smxi. Just my 2 cents.
Keep up the good work. 8o
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Salad wrote:give choice between stable and testing/sid repos, deb-multimedia etc.
I don't disagree, but would like to point out the the choice between stable and testing was present when choosing between Statler and Waldorf, and will be again when an iso's built for Janice.
Yes i know, but it would be useful after installation, when Janice will be stable!
EDIT:
i've been thinking of including e4rat (or any other similar readahead daemon) by default!
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If we have something like
Jockey GTK
#! will be much more user friendly. Not everyone can or want to go to the console or smxi.
Just my 2 cents.
Agree. Jockey was something I missed on the move to Debian. (Maybe the only thing I missed.) It was so simple getting the Nvidia driver I needed installed.
Unfortunately, I seem to recall seeing that Jockey had now been dropped from Ubuntu... I don't know if anything similar would now be a possibility on Debian.
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Thinking about all these suggestions for alternative text-editors, media players, image viewers...
Could we be making more use of the Debian alternatives system, as suggested here: http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=26418
It's possible to invent commands and add them to the system, eg I just tried:
sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/cb-image-viewer cb-image-viewer /usr/bin/viewnior 50
to make a new command "cb-image-viewer". This could then be used in the menus instead of calling a specific app, making it much easier for users to customize the defaults. (It would probably be a good idea to add cb-image-viewer.desktop to /usr/share/applications and maybe edit some file-association files too. See here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1501719 )
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I wouldn't change anything to "Waldorf" except:
1. Throw away Abiword and Gnumeric.
2. Add LXDE so to stop losing my time playing with and modifying tint2!
Everything else, as said b4, is just an apt-get away...
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zubcho81 wrote:If we have something like
Jockey GTK
#! will be much more user friendly. Not everyone can or want to go to the console or smxi.
Just my 2 cents.
Agree. Jockey was something I missed on the move to Debian. (Maybe the only thing I missed.) It was so simple getting the Nvidia driver I needed installed.
Unfortunately, I seem to recall seeing that Jockey had now been dropped from Ubuntu... I don't know if anything similar would now be a possibility on Debian.
could a install script and add in to the openbox menu help? Like select either Nvidia or AMD/ati?
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Thinking about all these suggestions for alternative text-editors, media players, image viewers...
Could we be making more use of the Debian alternatives system, as suggested here: http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=26418It's possible to invent commands and add them to the system, eg I just tried:
sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/cb-image-viewer cb-image-viewer /usr/bin/viewnior 50
to make a new command "cb-image-viewer". This could then be used in the menus instead of calling a specific app, making it much easier for users to customize the defaults. (It would probably be a good idea to add cb-image-viewer.desktop to /usr/share/applications and maybe edit some file-association files too. See here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1501719 )
That's a sweet suggestion!
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johnraff wrote:Thinking about all these suggestions for alternative text-editors, media players, image viewers...
Could we be making more use of the Debian alternatives system, as suggested here: http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=26418It's possible to invent commands and add them to the system, eg I just tried:
sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/cb-image-viewer cb-image-viewer /usr/bin/viewnior 50
to make a new command "cb-image-viewer". This could then be used in the menus instead of calling a specific app, making it much easier for users to customize the defaults. (It would probably be a good idea to add cb-image-viewer.desktop to /usr/share/applications and maybe edit some file-association files too. See here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1501719 )
That's a sweet suggestion!
Thirded. This is a very good idea, I think. Doesn't break anything for those who like things how they are at the moment; makes life easier for those who want to change things.
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- Automatically updating menu
- Icons on Menu
- DeadBeef installed, leave gimp alone!
- Unified "Control panel"
Last edited by Tyler R. (2013-05-15 21:55:48)
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Thinking about all these suggestions for alternative text-editors, media players, image viewers...
Could we be making more use of the Debian alternatives system, as suggested here: http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=26418It's possible to invent commands and add them to the system, eg I just tried:
sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/cb-image-viewer cb-image-viewer /usr/bin/viewnior 50
to make a new command "cb-image-viewer". This could then be used in the menus instead of calling a specific app, making it much easier for users to customize the defaults. (It would probably be a good idea to add cb-image-viewer.desktop to /usr/share/applications and maybe edit some file-association files too. See here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1501719 )
+1 for this concept!
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Good stuff. Nothing too wacky yet
Replace X server with Wayland, is that wacky enough?
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- Automatically updating menu
- Icons on Menu
- DeadBeef installed, leave gimp alone!
- Unified "Control panel"
Certainly not. That`s way to userfriendly, and will attract people that we don`t want to have using the same distro as us. It could seriously demolish the geek-statuses that we all strive to achieve. You know the new linux slogun, it`s quite simple. " Do it yourself", and that`s exactly what you should do with the icons on the menu. It isn`t that hard to do, and it would give you a great sense of achievement if you actually went ahead and created that wasteful bloat yourself ]:D
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How about an option (one moar for cb-welcome?) to configure an auto-updating menu? Acceptable compromise? 8o
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I think we all need to brace ourselves for not getting everything we want! Either that or have the most insanely complex welcome script ever...
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