Is it time to drop the 700MiB CD Limit?

machinebacon · 2012-09-30 09:11:02

^ A lighter alternative to manipulate images (not as powerful as the Gimp) would be geeqie or fotoxx. Of course this is no comparison, but if somebody wants to crop an image on the quick, they do the job well (Mirage, too)

bozhkov · 2012-09-30 09:23:26

Gradually, in the last release the image size reached 800mb, It is still weird to me, without much live-building experience, that a distro with a really small-packaged window manager, thunar as a file manager or oven liberoffice - the suite often is blamed for the monstrous size of other distros, is getting that big. Not that it is an issue for me, I'm on the "dd" camp and as long as we don't get over 8gb, I'll be fine but wow

uhgreen · 2012-10-03 14:08:00

I typically don't use CDs or DVDs anymore. The only exception is Knoppix and Clonezilla are both on CDs because I use them for more than just an initial installation. The only thing that worries me when a distro starts talking about pushing beyond the 800MB limit is that they'll go too far. I think one of the best things about #! is that it is small. The Post-Installation script is great for adding software after the installation which makes the initial ISO smaller.

I would think that keeping it under 1GB would be the perfect balance.

antiv0rtex · 2012-10-05 03:46:53

VastOne wrote:

Eventually CD/DVD's will die like the cassette

Cassettes aren't as dead as you might think. I use them extensively in the production of my own music. There really is nothing like a good four-track cassette recorder for laying down simple-yet-interesting recordings.

To get back to the subject of the 700MiB limit: I, personally, use CDRs as my primary installation media as I do not have my own thumb drive/flash drive/pen drive/USB stick. CDRs are quite cheap and readily available in my area, so I have always defaulted to them when I want to burn an ISO.

That being said, it would make much more sense environmentally and organizationally to use a thumb drive and reformat it each time I wanted to do an installation of a different distribution or version. I hadn't given that much thought; perhaps I should do that, at such a time as I have a working thumb drive. Thank you for the suggestion!

3of5 · 2012-10-05 15:56:32

Edit: Just saw this :
http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic … ll-script/

And as bandwidth isnt an issue for me most of the time, this would suit as a better alternative than asking for a lite version to be made.

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rzelnik · 2012-11-16 06:38:24

I am just wondering how to install Waldorf on an older ThinkPad 600E that doesn't have DVD and doesn't support USB boot, so here's my 2 cents for the netinstall as an alternative to the 700MiB+ image.

ElQuia · 2012-11-16 11:31:59

I insist. CruchBang can cover varios "ecological niches" :-)

1- It is a very cool disrtro for old PC's, for wich we need an 486 with less than 700 mb CD, should be doable, just leave out libre office, gimp and other stuff like that, go for gnome office o something like that. all other stuff can be installed via net once pc is operating.

2- A DVD with ALL the stuff and goodies, an x86 version and an amd64 version.

With that I would be the happiest guy in linuxdom! ;-)

machinebacon · 2012-11-16 12:17:42

Libre Office isn't included by default. GTK3 and GIMP and Faenza Icons take up most of the space.

root2 · 2012-11-16 12:29:43

Larsantos wrote:

...
#! is already a lite distro, not a minimalist one, but lite nevertheless.
However, maybe some more stuff could be included on the post-install script instead of being installed by default (gnumeric, Abiword??), or given an install option on the openbox menu, like the browser install options, just an idea...

I really second that!

Just love the post-install script thingy... Either doing it this way or giving an option to be set during install would really hit just my taste. I think people using the Live CD can nonetheless try out things good enough to see if #! will suit them.

Just my 2 cents.

antiv0rtex · 2012-11-18 01:19:21

Does anyone happen to have a copy of the old <700MB Statler ISO? I found an old CD-R of it, but it seems to be corrupted and the system which I am trying to get #! on is having issues with booting from USB.

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dura · 2012-11-18 01:21:33

^ http://crunchbang.org/download/

Sector11 · 2012-11-18 01:47:41

R3nCi wrote:

Does anyone happen to have a copy of the old <700MB Statler ISO? I found an old CD-R of it, but it seems to be corrupted and the system which I am trying to get #! on is having issues with booting from USB.

Like these http://crunchbang.linuxfreedom.com/download.html

dura · 2012-11-18 01:53:48

The statler iso on the download page is still under 700mb!!

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Sector11 · 2012-11-18 02:09:13

dura wrote:

The statler iso on the download page is still under 700mb!!

OH my! I stand corrected! You're right! My apologies.

ansem_of_nexus · 2012-11-18 03:34:38

I haven't read all of this thread but I will add that I wish I could buy a crunchbang USB drive with a copy of crunchbang 10 on it.(cool #! logo on it and the money go to funding crunchbang) as I always use USB to do installs, most linux and windows do not fit on cd.

antiv0rtex · 2012-11-18 08:55:26

dura wrote:

^ http://crunchbang.org/download/

dura wrote:

The statler iso on the download page is still under 700mb!!

Hmmm. I thought I had tried burning the 32bit Statler ISO to CD-R recently and it failed because of the size. I suppose either my memory was incorrect or there's some sort of global conspiracy to... never mind.

I should have double-checked the size on the #! download page before posting. My apologies. :8

/L

VastOne · 2012-11-18 16:23:11

^ If you grabbed the Waldorf ISO, it would have been too big for CD

ew · 2012-11-19 00:39:36

Well, cd-rw`s are still available here, but most cd-roms read dvd-rw, so even if a pc cannot boot from USB, then a dvd-rw in most cases would do the job...

Because this pc doesn`t boot from USB, and have a crappy cd-rom, I many times wish that it would be possible to install a new linux distro, from a running distro. As it does with Windows. I can extract the ISO to another partition and start the installation from that partition, removing the installation from the first partition and installing the new installation. The only partition I can not delete during partitioning is the partition that contains the installation files. I can not see why this shouldn`t be possible in Linux.

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DapperMe17 · 2012-11-19 09:26:57

Technological change is constant, and the future is bright!

However, eliminating the "CD" size limit without a polished USB installer may not be the best option, yet.

Would it be that difficult to continue to provide legacy PC users a way to keep current with #!...maybe with a "lite" CD image, or maybe a USB image.

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antiv0rtex · 2012-11-20 05:21:07

VastOne wrote:

^ If you grabbed the Waldorf ISO, it would have been too big for CD

Ohhhhhh... perhaps that is what I am thinking of.

DapperMe17 · 2012-11-20 06:31:01

machinebacon wrote:

^ A lighter alternative to manipulate images (not as powerful as the Gimp) would be geeqie or fotoxx. Of course this is no comparison, but if somebody wants to crop an image on the quick, they do the job well (Mirage, too)

Here's a very sensible option. Nice one machinebacon!

machinebacon...have you ever thought of packaging a LinuxBBQ spin which is based on wheezy?

machinebacon · 2012-11-20 06:40:09

^ Dapper: I suggest keeping this thread related to the topic, and you PM me or come over to the Q Sorry.

DapperMe17 · 2012-11-20 06:52:22

Understood, & not a problem.

Thanks

O:)

OragamiOstrich · 2014-06-28 06:06:42

The cd limit brought me to crunchbang. I was looking for a light distro that would run on my ancient laptop. Ubuntu was a burden, but I was new to linux and hadn't tried anytrhing else. I tried Puppy, and that sucked, so then I tried crunchbang. I liked it, but it didn't have all the "stuff" ubuntu had. Then Ubuntu "upgraded" and got even slower, so I wiped it off of my good laptop and put #! on there too. The 700mb really does have a draw factor, that imho, is worth considering. Maybe create a netinstall cd and a larger livecd? Just keep it accessible to the old hardware that needs new life.

Obscurum · 2015-01-16 05:03:46

corenominal wrote:

Previously, all #! images have been able to fit on a CD, but I am considering if this is now a pointless limitation?
Personally, I cannot remember the last time I used a CD as an install medium, I always tend to use a USB stick, as it is much faster and greener.

My twopenn'orth: I do like to have on a disc the distributions which I'm likely to install repeatedly (I'm something of a Linux evangelist) -- and at the moment, CrunchBang is the one that I install most often on other people's computers. And even though DVDs are cheap, there's something irksome about having to use one for an ISO which is just a bit too big to fit on a CD. ...Though I suppose that a multiboot of several smaller ISOs could be cobbled together on a single DVD to use up the space. Come to think of it, I really ought to find out how to do that for my three mainstays -- Slackware, Arch & CrunchBang.

When was last time you used a CD to install #!, or any other distribution?

As mentioned, I use CDs for installing Linux on other people's (sometimes very old) computers, but when installing/upgrading Linux on my own machines, I'm reluctant to use even a USB stick for installation unless absolutely necessary. Since there's generally one or more Linux distributions already running on the computer anyway, I prefer simply to download the new ISO and add a loopback entry for it into /etc/grub.d. Unfortunately, although this is possible with Debian, it isn't with CrunchBang -- at least not at the moment...

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