This is a horrific question. But I have massive issues with my laptop and Wheezy is not a nice mix with it (no wifi, no ethernet adapter etc)... aaaaand since you guys are all doing iso's... would anyone of you have a normal-except-for-jessie-based 64bit iso to throw at a stumped user?
Again - I am so sorry for even asking.
So this isn't crunchbang but I kinda wanted to post it anyway to prove a sort of point. This is Mint Xfce (the reason for using it is because my laptop like it and it works the best on it (correction: the best in the hands of someone with my very moderate skill set) - I think I can squeeze in LinuxBBQ Darkside on it but that is one huuuuge project to get everything working tickety-bo and I just don't seem to find the time... anywayanywayanyway. My POINT is that #! keeps being the beacon towards which I pick the way everything looks from now on.
I've removed the Xfce-panel, Xhost and a buttload of more stuff to make Xfce more snappy then I added a tint2 and tried to keep everything as clean as possible. I spent a few hours picking out shortcuts to the applicationfinders and stuff like that that I liked. I kinda went with "what is it with #! that I loved the most" and tried to stay with that.
So even if it isn't #! I thought I should post it anyway. Hats off for the design choices made by Corenomical and the gang
Ok I have what I can only guess is a rather weird question - I've googled and checked wikis but have yet to find anything what so ever about it BUT I know it must be out there somewhere.
How do you create a tint2 that has more than one row? Do you have to have 2 tint2's or is there some simple method of doing this. Not just more size for the individual indicators but two or more rows of indicators.
Ok so my plan is to create a Tint2 which will be like a launcher. Thats easily done, there are simply ways to add a launcher. But I have an idea for like a sliding feature which would act as both the brilliant multi_desktop workspace indicator AND as a launcher but on another row.
Essentialy you push your pointer up to one edge and it pops out (auto_hide and follow_(is it "shape"?)) with the lower row showing a bar with say three desktops, like normal in #! and a top bar with launchers and system tray.
By using follow_size/shape it feels as if your desktop slides upwards/downwards to expose this machination beneath it (maybe, I hope, I don't know since I cant test it)
AND if you can't have two rows in one tint2 how much strain would it be on the system with two tint2's and is there some clever way of making both appear at the same time but one being pushed "downward" by the topmost one?
My plan is to sit down and experiment with the tint2 config file when I have the chance but I'm just swamped so I thought I should ask first if someone knows whether it will work or not before taking a day off doing it
@Indiro: with respect, the base issue is still not hardware.
Linux doesn't have native hardware beyond various Android phones and a few small projects. Its not a question of changing something on OUR side of it as that would be... well it would be insane at this point. The only project that is reverse-engineering windows is the one machinebacon talked about and just to let that be clear: they are reverse-engineering another OS. Its not some linux guys who sighs and just flip a switch.
Thats kinda the thing: its not "You would just be making Windows apps work on your distro" (as you phrased it), its not a choice in the way you seem to think it is. Its building a whole new OS and I am so much a layman it hurts but from what I've understand (I may be wrong) chances are bigger that you'll end up with something which is either "just windows" or "just linux" or something that wont work well with either.
You are waaaaaaaaay better off talking to the people who made Solidworks and try to get them to port it, which is in comparison with "build a completely new OS" like the difference between "please get me a cup of coffe" and "please get me a sliver of fresh lime from the peak of Mount Fuji covered with Malay dew and a single ostrich feather on fire sticking out of the top".
And then fix the virtual machine stuff
Ah but its just not the work. Its like someone earlier mentioned, an ethical, ideological and not to mention legal issue. Allot of Windows OS is not open source, its not just a question of dropping it into Linux and as far as reverse engineering it as Machinebacon mentioned ... that must be such a horrible thing to have to do. I mean "allot of work" probably doesn't even come close to describe it.
Apple is not Windows compatible - it has the same set-up as linux in that respect. You either install Windows along side Mac OS or use a virtual machine with the drawbacks that come with that.
Linux, like Mac can't just flip a switch a decide that all software ever made for Windows will be compatible. Its not a question of someone holding off on a little work to just magic Windows compatability - every piece of software needs to be ported on its own. Now some companies do this (Valves games being a good example which is also relevant to me) but that comes down to THAT companies choice. If they think its too much of a hassle they wont.
The reason why allot of software doesn't work natively on Linux or Mac is that the market isn't big enough. The reason the market isn't big enough is because a majority of computers come preinstalled with Windows and the rest with Mac making the paradigm of the PC market one where there is a choice between Windows or Mac.
(except in your neck of the woods I've heard, buying a PC here means buying a Windows PC, pay for Windows, uninstall windows and reinstalling Linux Distro X/Y/Z)
So its not just blind opinion concerning "who controls the desktop market" ("desktop" being more apt since servers, supercomputers, smartphones and space stations are dominated by Linux) its simple practicality and combined with that a quest for stability and efficiency that would be hindered by some giant merge with Windows and after that an ideological choice.
EDITED: sadly though Solidworks will not work that brilliant through Wine so its Virtual Machine for you I'm afraid unless you use the 2010 version.
http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.p … on&iId=318
Ok so I've kinda come full circle on this: I've simply removed the XFCE panel added Tint2 and a conky to replace it and then tried my darndest to scrape it clean.
The odd thing about it is that there seem to be a TON of stuff going on behind the scenes which I just can't grasp why. I've removed the Xhost thing (lets avoid calling it spyware but thats the word being flung around) and all the little things I don't need but compared to for example Manjaro (or for that matter #!) it is running warm just standing idle.
So aside from all that I've started to check out BBQ again - if only I could figure out how to install Steam on it (yes I treat my computer like a dog treats its bed - I just go round round round seemingly never to lie down at all)
Uy what can I see it seems I joined late in the party.
I was part of that thread but I guess that I was simply pissy towards Gutterslob - although I hope both Gutterslob and anyone else realize that just because I disagree with someone or think they are wrong in a subject that I care about (or for that matter make jokes that I think are inappropriate) doesn't mean I think they are asshats personally.
I was thinking of deleting my comments but it seemed as if Gutterslob could take it and didn't really care to be honest.
So I've been trying to create this Paranoia (the PnP rpg) conky that should display not only the weather in text format but also some kind of random computer quote pulled from a file with a random selection of 10 or so computer quotes. I Have nooooooo idea how to do that though which is really starting to work me over.
Also I'm trying to do the same set up on Mint Xfce but since curl isn't installed it wont get any weather info so now I gotta figure out how to do that too
@pvsage its just that I'm tired of getting similar things from Ubuntu people about Debian or Crunchbang. Same thing from Mint people about pure Ubuntu and exactly the same from Arch people concerning Manjaro and vice versa. On and on and on and on and always with that "höhö its just a joke c'mon". Its such passive-aggressive nonsense and the last we thing we need (I say "we" in that very loose sense of the word since I mean "everyone using Linux").
Gutterslop: that is a huge discussion. Its amazing that you managed to memorize and repeat it verbatim... or, and perhaps I'm just a tiny bit rude for saying it: you are not entirely truthful nor honest in your, of course joking representation of the eOs devs.
First they made a point of being inspired by it but not cloning. It would be more accurate to say that they where inspired by Gnome and Windows 7 but wth. Second, they aren't trying to "claw in" the OS X crowd, they are mostly trying out something that isn't done that often in Linux and to a rather specific set of standards.
So let me give you the debate as I think it goes:
You: it looks a bit like OS X
They: Yep that was one of the inspirations but we've tried to avoid to copy it (this is Cassidy, one of the devs, almost word for word btw)
You: k but I already use Os X
They: ok. You wanna use eOs, its different from Os X and its Linux?
You: Its not really what I was looking for.
They: Huh, fair enough.
Why is it kinda bugging me when people do this? I've heard things about almost every single Linux OS out there. Similar to this, imaginery "just-for-fun" mocks of devs of other OS's because the person doesn't like using it and for some reason think that they really really really cry themselves to sleep for missing this one person.
The thing is most Windows users or Apple users don't care. Its the Linux user base thats the problem. So much nonsense and these passive-aggressive things where you, just as a joke ha-ha, "criticize" another OS (criticism is too good a word to use really but its what I got).
Theres this lovely saying in the left wing here "Lock three of us in a room, you know that after half an hour three splinter groups will have formed and two will create a tactic cooperation to kill the third". It really is the same with Linux, only worse I think. Which is rather sad. I get that people have strong opinions but too often they are about complete nonsensical issues of random ego-boosting or wild swinging attempts to belong by distancing yourself from another group.
Its like watching a large group of people shoot themselves in the foot and then trying to find someone in the same group to blame for the pain.
Of course, my opinion on the matter is that a desktop should look like "user@localhost=>_" ...but then again, I'm not everyone and have never claimed to be. To each their own, and props to them for any attempt to reach certain users.
I whole heartedly agree! I've since #! crunch my heart gotten into the habit of changing everything to at least look openboxy and with a tint2 and a conky. But just like you say "I'm not everyone" either.
The tricky part with personal opinions is that sometimes its easy to get lost in them, assuming that whats great for you by default must be brilliant for everyone.
"Use what you want but know what you use" as a rather weird book I bought about smoking heroin (of all things) pointed out and that really works for me in other aspects...
Errr Edit: just so everyone is clear on that, I don't smoke heroin or anything stronger than cigarettes and I intend to quit those too. And neither I or this pretty fantastic little book suggest smoking heroin (which was probably the best part about it as it was written of someone who was of the "I've taken every drug there is, fantastic!" personality and who then went through all the exact drawbacks of it making certain no one ever tried smoking heroin).
Just to have that said - don't smoke heroin. Thank you.
What I suggest is that we get back to the issue?
Personally I am of the "the more the merrier" philosophy. That means that sometimes my favorite distros don't get as much light as they perhaps should - BBQ for example - but such is life.
What eOs does right I think is the design. From a design perspective its very very well made. Not that it covers all user needs - because a design that fitted everyone would probably be some kind of dark magic - but because they made a choice and they stuck to it. In that respect eOs and #! is actually pretty much alike.
Both have a set of goals and mission statements (spoken or unspoken) and then stick to these goals and missions through out the entire user experience. Thats tricky to do.
Elementary obviously wanted some of that Mac stability (I'm not saying its a Mac OS clone, that would be to over simplify). To that end they did force through "their own" set of software or found software that was made by a smaller group who aimed for the same goals as they did. They built large portions from scratch and kept a wary eye at third party software and tried to make it conform to the design specs (look at Gazette for example that really fits in well).
The downside is lack of configuration options or perhaps "lack of invitation to configure". You can but its a tricky process - the OS is sort of ment "as is" and you can mostly fiddle a bit with the icons, colours and wallpaper (kinda like windows in a way) so you aren't invited to try and change it too much.
The other downside is a rather ancient base at this point - you can install a new kernel (elementaryupdates shows how) and lets face it Debian Stable isn't exactly the newest software either, but you keep being reminded of the fact with all the ppa's you have to dump into it to keep eOs sort of up to date.
But still they have done something rather interesting and that is another stab at the "what should a Desktop really look like". The Launcher for example is well done, its pretty and it is a sorta new take on the whole thing. It could have been replaced with a simple classical menu but this is a rather nice way of dealing with it. Plank is really a good choice for a dock too and unlike Cairo-dock slimmer and prettier (no huge flashing effects everywhere).
I thought a thread about jobs if you know anything work related that someone else need, posting it in a common thread might be good.
I got one thing that a friend who works for a company in Northern Europe.
EDIT: som more info, his name is Björn and he used to run a company called Nindev which I think he sold... Now he's running a company called Eloso and I think they are the one looking for a programmer.
Wanted: Experienced node.js/angular (MongoDB) for exciting project with european start-up on behalf of a client. PM to me. Working language: English.
The job is in Berlin and if you're interested (or for that matter have the faintest clue what he's talking about, I don't) PM me and I'll make sure he gets your email addy and you get his.
Ok also I'd like to vouch for the guy - he's nice, a huge nerd and reliable. Somewhat "businessmanny" at times but not that much.
Oh about the thread: I started a fresh one just to avoid bumping something ancient.
EDIT: if anyone knows of any illustration work - don't keep it to yourself! I'm a freelancer so the more work the better.
This is the worst answer in the history of bad answers to any question ... buuut I found this thing and thought I could post the link (I've never tried to install windows on anything since I don't feel technically adept enough for it):
It seems to contain allot more steps and fiddly bits so I thought chances are you hadn't tried it yet which is my justification for posting it (I hate it when I ask something and some random dude just post the first thing that pops up when you google it, as if I hadn't already done that google bit - so I'm sorry for doing it but I thought it looked interesting).
Good luck though! <--- my contribution
Why is it beneficial to be as many as possible doing something? Because that will create more people helping out developing it.
There is no "lone stranger" who on his or her own can go do something magical and unique because no one is an island and especially so when it comes to complex machinery that needs thousands of components to function.
"Dumbing down" is in my opinion incorrect - for example "Crunchbang" isn't dumbed down simply because it has GUI menu's. You could, as many do, simply ignore them and that would be the end of the argument if the wishy-washy nonsense term "dumbing down" really ment anything beyond "I am so smart, S-M-R-T! S-M-R-T!". It's made accessible not "dumbed down"
See it as wheelchair ramps to a school. To people who can walk the whole thing seems trivial and a waste of resources and space - but for those who can't its a must-have. We could leave it at that and pretend that there actually is just that dualistic competition between walkers and non-walkers, which would keep us at the "dumb down or not" debate, or we can see the benefits of having schools accessible to all; for all.
We who can walk will benefit from a society where a portion of us aren't refused education. We can see how a larger community of educated will in the end benefit all of us and that a ramp is tiny tiny price to pay for the huge benefits we gain. Not to mention the fact that a society that ignores the weakness of some to the temporary benefit of those without it is one which may one day turn on other weaknesses and in the end will be difficult to live in for all of us.
To make on OS tiered would make sense though, where the fiddly complex bits are hidden under a veneer of simplicity. Where things are interchangeable if you have the time to learn but if you don't you can stick to some rather simple GUI menus and interaction methods to edit things. This is one of the parts where Crunchbang in my opinion excel.
Yes when Linux is "dumbed down" that means that the simple and easy way in which some may get their status or through which some may purchase their identity is taken away but the benefits to that is simply greater than the temporary bruising of some egos.