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#1 2013-01-28 20:38:54

intoCB
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Registered: 2012-10-25
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Anyone buy one of these yet or thinking of buying one?

http://content.dell.com/us/en/gen/d/cam … nux-laptop

I expect it would work well with CrunchBang on it, too.


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#2 2013-01-28 21:26:13

schwim
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Registered: 2012-10-11
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Re: Anyone buy one of these yet or thinking of buying one?

Intel HD 4000 [Included in Price]

No thanks.

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#3 2013-01-28 23:07:58

el_koraco
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From: inside Ed
Registered: 2011-07-25
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Re: Anyone buy one of these yet or thinking of buying one?

There's nothing special about this laptop. The"special" drivers are just backported from newer kernels (Ubuntu LTS is on 3.2), a child can install the Android SDK, and Dell's call for community contributions is ridiculous unless they're giving these laptops away to developers.

The laptop has a low resolution screen completely unfit for the price, the battery life is average at best and the design is a pretty shameless Macbook Air ripoff.

On a second note, all the ultrabooks have significant heating problems. If my lap is gonna burn, I'll just as soon buy somethnig with an Nvidia card so I can turn off the gas in the winter.  I'm pretty sure my next computer is gonna be a small form desktop or an all in one desktop, completed by a smartphone for mobile needs. Since I expect this ProBook beast to go for at least four more years, there's no hurry. If I was buying a portable right now, I'd buy Samsung's ARM Chromebook. x86 will only make sense on a desktop in a few years anyway.

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#4 2013-01-29 01:51:12

anonymous
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Re: Anyone buy one of these yet or thinking of buying one?

I think I'd rather take my chances with a Windows laptop and save the money. Alternatively, I'd go for a similarly speced and priced Latitude 6430u*. Its .7 pounds heavier but has a 3-year warranty.

*Unfortunately it also lacks a 900p screen or better.

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#5 2013-01-29 08:33:34

intoCB
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Re: Anyone buy one of these yet or thinking of buying one?

It does make you wonder who their market is. Rich kids whose mummies think they're developers?

Re the screen: my current screen is the same size and it's inefficient for work that requires multiple windows to be open.

The fact that they're not even willing to make a transfer/sticker for an Ubuntu super-key says a lot about either their commitment to the project and or their wafer-thin margins.

That said, I'd probably buy one as I've had such a negative experience wrestling with my Vaio. First for Linux and then for reinstalling Windows. Maybe it does things I don't need really well but honestly my half-dead Packard Bell from 7 years ago does some things more efficiently.


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Write a simple program that makes a verse of Shirley Ellis' The Name Game based on an inputted name as a parameter.
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#6 2013-01-29 09:31:15

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Re: Anyone buy one of these yet or thinking of buying one?

Would I buy one - no!


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#7 2013-01-29 09:37:14

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Re: Anyone buy one of these yet or thinking of buying one?

Can't really see what the draw is; that Ubuntu is pre-installed? But that only takes half an hour-45 minutes to get it ready to install anyway, from downloading the .iso to having the USB stick/CD in the new laptop. Why spend the money on this? Hardware is alright, screen resolution is a bit crap though.

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#8 2013-01-29 13:01:27

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Registered: 2011-12-05
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Re: Anyone buy one of these yet or thinking of buying one?

256GB SSD, nice, ohter than that, no thank you.  And $1500, wow!


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#9 2013-01-29 13:22:07

intoCB
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Re: Anyone buy one of these yet or thinking of buying one?

There's a great detailed and balanced review here:
http://randomtristan.blogspot.be/2013/0 … loper.html


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Write a simple program that makes a verse of Shirley Ellis' The Name Game based on an inputted name as a parameter.
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#10 2013-01-30 01:03:00

douglas
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Registered: 2011-01-09
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Re: Anyone buy one of these yet or thinking of buying one?

Too rich for me.  I could buy 4 of my last laptop for that $.

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#11 2013-01-30 14:42:24

CBizgreat!
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Re: Anyone buy one of these yet or thinking of buying one?

Pointlessly agree's w everyone else.

If ya buy a $1,500 buck lappy to run gnu/nix or do "development", you either a.) Have entirely too much cash or b.) Are retarded ... and/or c.) Very likely ... BOTH. And yet ... never underestimate neither the massive amount of stupid people with too much money. Painful life experience, haz shown me many times ... There's more of em than you'd ever think ... Dammit !!! tongue

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Some common cbiz abbreviations. This will save me time and yet @ same time tell folks what the babble is supposed to mean.

Vll ! = ( Viva la gnu/Linux !)    Vl#!! = ( Viva la #! !)    Last but not least, UD ... OD ! = ( Use Debian ... or die !) tongue

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#12 2013-01-30 14:45:16

Sunshine the Werewolf
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Re: Anyone buy one of these yet or thinking of buying one?

Looked at them, seemed like a decent idea, but way too overpriced. Would rather just buy a decent laptop, wipe Windows, and install some Linux distro. Be cheaper.

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#13 2013-01-30 17:31:55

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Re: Anyone buy one of these yet or thinking of buying one?

Forgive me for mentioning this for, oh, the 4,000th time since I've been in these parts, but if you're thinking about buying a new Linux-based laptop, you should go with a laptop maker that bases its hardware on Linux. Two makers come immediately to mind: ZaReason and System76. You can get any distro you want with System76, as long as it's Ubuntu. ZaReason offers a wide range of distros, including CrunchBang by request. Both, I think, also offer a "no distro" option too, I believe -- allowing you to put on whichever distro you prefer.

There are others, too. But those are the ones that come to mind immediately, and truth in advertising: I own a ZaReason laptop that I used daily, until my daughter asked to use it to do Steam Linux beta testing.

Huge caveat: Yes, it's more expensive to go this route. But the tradeoff here is rather than supporting a huge hardware conglomerate joined at the hip with Microsoft (where each sale gives credit in the Redmond tally), you're actually helping people who are supporting Linux and FOSS.


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#14 2013-01-30 18:40:40

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Re: Anyone buy one of these yet or thinking of buying one?

Considering all the posts saying how expensive the Dell is, does the brand really matter?

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#15 2013-01-30 21:41:23

intoCB
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Re: Anyone buy one of these yet or thinking of buying one?

Indeed. I had a look at a preinstalled Linux provider - the sole provider where I live - and they do decent laptops with Ubuntu and its KDE,Xfce, LXDE variants or Debian at a much more reasonable price. Next time I buy a laptop I will buy one of those.

They also offer Ubuntu installation for €50, which is crazy. Really if anyone out there's having a hard time installing Ubuntu, I'll do it for you for the mere price of a couple of beers and a packet of crisps.


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Write a simple program that makes a verse of Shirley Ellis' The Name Game based on an inputted name as a parameter.
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#16 2013-01-30 21:53:10

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Re: Anyone buy one of these yet or thinking of buying one?

intoCB wrote:

They also offer Ubuntu installation for €50, which is crazy. Really if anyone out there's having a hard time installing Ubuntu, I'll do it for you for the mere price of a couple of beers and a packet of crisps.

Truly. I could see a shop charging something for labor (sorry, labour), maybe, for taking the time to install a distro, but $100 (which is about what 50 euros is, I guess) is outrageous. I, too, would do it for the price you're charging, intoCB. smile


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#17 2013-01-30 23:28:58

douglas
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From: Dallas, Texas
Registered: 2011-01-09
Posts: 230

Re: Anyone buy one of these yet or thinking of buying one?

anonymous wrote:

Considering all the posts saying how expensive the Dell is, does the brand really matter?

In general Dell is not expensive... just this model. I think vendors use the Ultrabook designation to jack up prices.   I have used mostly Dell's for 15 years with little issues.

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#18 2013-01-30 23:39:40

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Re: Anyone buy one of these yet or thinking of buying one?

douglas wrote:

In general Dell is not expensive... just this model.

I hoped that would be implied tongue

douglas wrote:

I think vendors use the Ultrabook designation to jack up prices.

Even if there was no "Ultrabook", buying slimer, lighter notebooks (or even other electronics/components) does come at a premium. For example the Lenovo Thinkpad T430 vs T430s.

Also in defense of the XPS 13 Ultrabook, Dell preconfigured it with lots of high-end parts: an i7 processor, 8GB of RAM, and a 256GB SSD. Not all Ultrabooks have such specs in a base model.

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#19 2013-01-30 23:54:28

douglas
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Re: Anyone buy one of these yet or thinking of buying one?

anonymous wrote:

Also in defense of the XPS 13 Ultrabook, Dell preconfigured it with lots of high-end parts: an i7 processor, 8GB of RAM, and a 256GB SSD. Not all Ultrabooks have such specs in a base model.

Good point

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#20 2013-02-01 06:23:49

stolid
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Registered: 2012-09-06
Posts: 206

Re: Anyone buy one of these yet or thinking of buying one?

Yet another 1366x768 laptop. Pass. My 2 year old 11.6" netbook has that resolution. My phone has roughly that resolution. This is a general complaint, as you even see it on most 15" laptops as well. The laptop screen industry needs a kick in the pants. Why can't they take a cue from the phone market?


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#21 2013-02-01 06:42:25

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Re: Anyone buy one of these yet or thinking of buying one?

douglas wrote:
anonymous wrote:

Also in defense of the XPS 13 Ultrabook, Dell preconfigured it with lots of high-end parts: an i7 processor, 8GB of RAM, and a 256GB SSD. Not all Ultrabooks have such specs in a base model.

Good point

yeah, but who needs such specs on a portable device?

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#22 2013-02-01 15:59:08

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Re: Anyone buy one of these yet or thinking of buying one?

zalew wrote:
douglas wrote:
anonymous wrote:

Also in defense of the XPS 13 Ultrabook, Dell preconfigured it with lots of high-end parts: an i7 processor, 8GB of RAM, and a 256GB SSD. Not all Ultrabooks have such specs in a base model.

Good point

yeah, but who needs such specs on a portable device?

The same people who buy desktop-replacement laptops. Except with Ultrabooks they sacrifice some graphics power, storage, and I/O for a much lighter notebook.

I do wish Dell made the base model with lower components though and let people choose upgrades as necessary.

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#23 2013-02-01 19:03:43

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Re: Anyone buy one of these yet or thinking of buying one?

anonymous wrote:
zalew wrote:

yeah, but who needs such specs on a portable device?

The same people who buy desktop-replacement laptops.

Whatever happened to docking stations?  (I guess USB peripherals supplanted those, huh?)


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#24 2013-02-01 19:16:31

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Re: Anyone buy one of these yet or thinking of buying one?

I don't think that helps when you need more powerful hardware.

BTW docking stations still exist for business class laptops last I checked.

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#25 2013-02-04 19:44:55

intoCB
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Re: Anyone buy one of these yet or thinking of buying one?

Well it would seem there is no future for Dell/Ubuntu:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/ … RC20130204


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