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#1 2012-01-02 11:49:43

SabreWolfy
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#! r20111125: Upgrade thunar

Can I upgrade thunar by just downloading and installing from here:

http://archive.xfce.org/feeds/project/thunar

I don't want to try it if it will end up breaking my current thunar and/or other things.

Does thunar 1.1+ or 1.2+ support tabbed views? I installed PCManFM 0.9.7 from the repos which has tabbed views, but it doens't even have a "Refresh" or "Reload" folder feature yet, so I removed it smile

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Edit 1: sad Wow, thunar 1.0.2 in #! r20111125 doesn't even support right-click "Properties" for multiple items. I just want to know the total size of a few selected files. sad I'm always so torn between the stability of "stable" (Debian/Ubuntu/#!) and the frustrating lack of features that come along with that stability. I would never return to using Wind*ws, but wasting so much time just trying to find a half-decent half-usable file manager is so frustrating. I use MC, but the work I'm doing now is much easier with an icon/thumbnail-based file manager. One that supports tabs, refresh/reload button and can give me the totals of multiple selected items. I don't want to return to Ubuntu 10.04 LTS... sad
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Edit 2: Ok, so thunar shows the total for selected FILES in the status bar at the bottom of the screen. Unintuitive when every other file manager allows "Properties" for multiple selected items, but at least I can see the total now. However, totals for any selection including at least one folder are meaningless, because it does not total the folders, just the files.

Edit 3: thunar v. PCManFM:

thunar 1.0.2: reload function and a right-click properties/properties keyboard button for single items works; no tabbed view; shows thumbnails for PDF files.
PCManFM 0.9.7: no reload feature and the properties keyboard button does not work, but it does the correct totals for multiple (mixed) items by right-clicking and selecting "Properties"; has a tabbed view; "Size on disk" in Properties is rubbish: total size of files on 8GB flash disk is 3.3GB; size on disk reported as 26.7GB; shows icon only (no thumbnail) for PDF files.

Once again we are left to choose the "best" of two half-baked solutions.

Edit 4: Seems that PCManFM does a good job (via gamin?) of refreshing, so I may not need to manually refresh. None of the menus include a refresh/reload entry, so I don't know if F5 or Ctrl-R are doing anything smile I think PCManFM is the better choice for now.

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#2 2012-01-02 13:54:13

dubois
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Re: #! r20111125: Upgrade thunar

Here's an answer  http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=5904  re tabbed browsing in Thunar.  neutral

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#3 2012-01-02 13:58:02

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Re: #! r20111125: Upgrade thunar

^ Thanks. So no tabs planned for Thunar because of "Bad usability and there are already similar file managers that provide tabs."

http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?pid=21396#p21396

*Bashes head against wall in disbelief*

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#4 2012-01-02 14:02:00

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Re: #! r20111125: Upgrade thunar

I know.  I know.  It's a dumb solution but it works even on my 10.1 inch screen >> open two or more windows and transfer items that way.  Um, not that you haven't already thought of that.

In sid 

root@1015PEM:/home/christopher# apt-cache policy thunar
thunar:
  Installed: 1.2.3-2
  Candidate: 1.2.3-2
  Version table:
 *** 1.2.3-2 0
        500 http://ftp.utexas.edu/debian/ sid/main i386 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

but no solutions to any of your requests that I've noticed [this morning]

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#5 2012-01-02 14:12:25

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Re: #! r20111125: Upgrade thunar

$ apt-cache policy thunar
thunar:
  Installed: 1.0.2-1+b2
  Candidate: 1.0.2-1+b2
  Version table:
 *** 1.0.2-1+b2 0
        100 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/main i386 Packages

Not that I understand apt policies smile

Yeah, the idea of two windows side-by-side is a good one. Would be nice to have KDE-/Compiz-style "snap" functionality to get the two windows the correct size and in the correct position easily smile Nautilus also provides a "split" window view (F3) which gives an "OFM"-style "two-pane" view, with icons/thumbnails if you want, which is also another great way to work I've found.

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#6 2012-01-02 14:41:29

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Re: #! r20111125: Upgrade thunar

^ i understand a bit of your pain. i initially ditched Thunar for pcmanfm because i had some issues with automounting drives in Thunar. the issues went away with pcmanfm, but it didn't feel untuitive to me, it didn't remember my directory-view-settings (or i was doing it wrong?), and then it crashed on me. so i got Thunar back and all the stuff i like, and also the automount-thingy. i'll just solve that in a different way when i know some more.

i really like MC's two-windowed browsing, but i still need to figure out if and how i can select multiple files there etc.

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#7 2012-01-02 14:47:55

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Re: #! r20111125: Upgrade thunar

^ Select multiple files in MC? Use "INSERT" to select files, or "+" to select files with a wild-card...?


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#8 2012-01-02 15:20:06

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Re: #! r20111125: Upgrade thunar

rhowaldt wrote:

^ i understand a bit of your pain. i initially ditched Thunar for pcmanfm because i had some issues with automounting drives in Thunar. the issues went away with pcmanfm, but it didn't feel untuitive to me, it didn't remember my directory-view-settings (or i was doing it wrong?), and then it crashed on me. so i got Thunar back and all the stuff i like, and also the automount-thingy. i'll just solve that in a different way when i know some more.

i really like MC's two-windowed browsing, but i still need to figure out if and how i can select multiple files there etc.

I'm sure you did this but I'll ask anyway.  Did you go to Settings > Removable Drives and Media > Removable Storage and <click> Mount removable drives when hotplugged.

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#9 2012-01-02 15:51:15

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Re: #! r20111125: Upgrade thunar

I just want to know the total size of a few selected files

So I don't know at this point whether you are still interested in Thunar, SabreWolfy, but perhaps someone might find this helpful (as I did when I wanted this feature):

1 Open Thunar, go to Edit > Configure Custom Actions
2 Create a new entry with this command:

du -h -c %N | grep total | zenity --text-info

3 Give it a name like Disk Usage or something, then check all the boxes on the "Appearance Conditions" tab

You should now see it in your right-click menu.

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#10 2012-01-02 16:11:35

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Re: #! r20111125: Upgrade thunar

^ Thanks, that's quite useful smile


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#11 2012-01-02 16:47:42

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Re: #! r20111125: Upgrade thunar

^ Correction: That's actually very useful smile

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#12 2012-01-02 18:20:20

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Re: #! r20111125: Upgrade thunar

Thank you cchhrriiss121212! I was just going to try to figure this out for myself, and you saved me the trouble. Of course I'll have to tweak it now so I can learn a new trick or two smile


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#13 2012-01-02 18:39:32

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Re: #! r20111125: Upgrade thunar

@dubois: thanks for your attempt. that option is on by default, but my issue here has something to do with a regular user not being authorized to mount the volume. i'm still looking into the reasons why this isn't working currently (as i have 'user' set in the mount-options of my fstab for this drive), but i'd rather not hijack this thread for that issue wink

@cchhhhrirriiiiisisiisisss smile wow. thanks for introducing me to Thunar Custom Actions. that will come in useful sometime! suddenly a world of possibilities opens up to me smile

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#14 2012-01-03 17:48:52

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Re: #! r20111125: Upgrade thunar

As promised, I tweaked it a little. If you use

du -chs %N | zenity --text-info

you get the space used by each folder or file selected followed by the total space used.

A little more useful (to me, at least) than just the combined total.


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#15 2012-01-03 17:57:16

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Re: #! r20111125: Upgrade thunar

I built another custom action to create a backup of a selected file:

cp --backup=t %f %f.backup

Call it "Create Backup File Here" -- it creates a file with the original name of the selected file followed by "backup" -- if the backup file already exists, it appends .~n~ to ".backup" where n is the number of the backup.

Disclaimer: I'm new, so there might be an easier way to do this, but it's fun to play with the custom actions in Thunar, and I think I will use this. (You can do it with copy/paste, but then you get "copy of file" "another copy of file" "third copy of file" etc.)


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#16 2012-01-03 18:06:00

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Re: #! r20111125: Upgrade thunar

What you're doing here with Thunar reminded me of a thread over at Debian User Forums.  SEE  http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php? … om+actions  for more fun and games.  wink

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#17 2012-01-03 19:02:32

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Re: #! r20111125: Upgrade thunar

Thanks! I haven't read through the entire thread yet, but I've already added "Permanently Delete" to Thunar.


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#18 2012-01-03 20:39:49

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Re: #! r20111125: Upgrade thunar

maybe it's time for a #! Thunar Custom Actions thread...

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#19 2012-01-04 00:08:31

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Re: #! r20111125: Upgrade thunar

rhowaldt wrote:

maybe it's time for a #! Thunar Custom Actions thread...

sounds like a good idea to me... neutral


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#20 2012-01-04 01:06:04

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Re: #! r20111125: Upgrade thunar

You guys ain't made that yet!?!  tongue  2Many, why don't you have a go at it?   I think it's a swell idea that'll be well received on the forum and will get you a nice contributory thread under your belt.  smile

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#21 2012-01-04 03:01:05

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Re: #! r20111125: Upgrade thunar

All right, I did it here hmm


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#22 2013-01-06 10:57:15

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Re: #! r20111125: Upgrade thunar

This is a bit of a necro-bump, but interesting to see how ideas change over time...

dubois wrote:

Here's an answer  http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=5904  re tabbed browsing in Thunar.  neutral

From the link above (April 2011), a Thunar developer replied as follows regarding tabs in Thunar:

No, we (all devs) are against it.
...
Bad usability and there are already similar file managers that provide tabs.

In October 2012, the same developer posted:

It's just 1 commit, but there you go folks: Thunar has tabs!

The link in that comment goes to a page where he says:

Without further ado: Tabs in Thunar. Sometimes open-source is also listening to users without agreeing on the change yourself ;-).

I guess that's quite a reasoned and mature approach to take smile

(Thunar 1.4.0 in Xubuntu 12.10 doesn't have tabs, so it must be in the 1.6+ release.)

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