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#76 2012-08-09 19:35:02

omns
#! wanderer
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Re: Debian Changes Default Desktop From GNOME To XFCE

corenominal wrote:

You're not the only Xfce fanboi wink

xfcefanboi.png

This interests me on so many levels that I barely know where to start.

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#77 2012-08-09 19:39:46

AnInkedSoul
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Registered: 2010-06-30
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Re: Debian Changes Default Desktop From GNOME To XFCE

AnInkedSoul wrote:

does xfce offer a single click desktop....yet.....

and why is the root window applications menu stuck under a layer now...

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#78 2012-08-09 19:41:10

omns
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Re: Debian Changes Default Desktop From GNOME To XFCE

el_koraco wrote:
vlahonick wrote:

sorry, you are refering to ppl instead o people?

Among other things. You'll notice how 99 percent of users here use proper capitalization, punctuation, and avoid rly, ppl and stuff. This is an international forum, and not abiding by the rules of writing is simply bad form.

I think we can forgive the odd ppl or rly. Proper punctuation etc is nice and desirable but we don't need to get carried away and accuse people of rudeness or bad form. A gentle reminder or report to a mod is all that is needed.

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#79 2012-08-09 20:01:11

Iranon
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Registered: 2012-03-10
Posts: 256

Re: Debian Changes Default Desktop From GNOME To XFCE

Mind you, I don't actually like any of them very much. I prefer a configurable window manager because I'm the ultimate authority on how things should look and work, everyone who disagrees is not me and therefore wrong (and possibly an idiot) smile

The Gnomes apparently put a lot of effort into touchy-feely things. Down with buttons and clicks, because those feel like operating scary and impersonal machinery... or something. Many dragging actions and sweeping mouse movements instead, because that supposedly feels more satisfying and intuitive. One hot corner for all major actions, but instead of placing things efficiently place them so it's very hard to do something by mistake. Gentle restraining of users who do something they may not really want to do (like open multiple windows of the same application by mistake). Even the default visuals convey that everything has been made safe and easy.
The other DEs don't feel nearly as professionally done from a user experience point of view, I can appreciate this even if I disagree with most things they did.

Maybe sophistication didn't fit KDE... what's  a better word for "the quality of being over-engineered"? It seems to be developed by people with a deep love for needlessly powerful solutions to mundane problems and a slight fetish for checkboxes, control panels, jumping dancing notifications, and busybody services reminding you something is happening even when it isn't.
I hope they have fun, because if movies tell me anything they'd otherwise build elaborate underground lairs and plot world domination via killer penguins with fricking laser beams.

E17 seems an experiment how much eye candy and fun features you can cram into this weight class. This is apparently more important than working as a serious productivity tool, and occasionally at all. At the same time, it's using a lot of technology unique to it... so pretty much the opposite impression of XFCE.


LEGO won't be ready for the average user until it comes pre-assembled, in a single  unified look, and glued together so it doesn't come apart.

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#80 2012-08-09 20:34:02

AnInkedSoul
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Registered: 2010-06-30
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Re: Debian Changes Default Desktop From GNOME To XFCE

The Gnomes apparently put a lot of effort into touchy-feely things. Down with buttons and clicks, because those feel like operating scary and impersonal machinery... or something. Many dragging actions and sweeping mouse movements instead, because that supposedly feels more satisfying and intuitive.

ehh? I don't hardly use the mouse at all with gnome shell. It has great keyboard controls. Most of my apps have tabs so not much point in having more than one instance open. And a middleclick, rightclick, or ctrlclick will open a new instance anyway.

Maybe sophistication didn't fit KDE... what's  a better word for "the quality of being over-engineered"? It seems to be developed by people with a deep love for needlessly powerful solutions to mundane problems and a slight fetish for checkboxes, control panels, jumping dancing notifications, and busybody services reminding you something is happening even when it isn't.

lol agree

E17 seems an experiment how much eye candy and fun features you can cram into this weight class.

I thought e17 was pretty mundane by default. Unless you are using one of those distros that bling it up like crazy.

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#81 2012-08-09 20:34:46

vlahonick
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Re: Debian Changes Default Desktop From GNOME To XFCE

@omns

TY smile

Anyway el_koraco might said his point a bit "aggressive" but it still stands. I will try to write proper english from now on.


"I do not fear computers. I fear the lack of them."
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#82 2012-08-09 21:13:23

el_koraco
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Registered: 2011-07-25
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Re: Debian Changes Default Desktop From GNOME To XFCE

omns wrote:

[Proper punctuation etc is nice and desirable but we don't need to get carried away and accuse people of rudeness or bad form. A gentle reminder or report to a mod is all that is needed.

I thought I was giving a gentle reminder. And it doesn't appear the OP took it any other way.

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#83 2012-08-09 21:59:29

vlahonick
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Re: Debian Changes Default Desktop From GNOME To XFCE

No point on keep posting about this. the post was created for something else. And don't twist my words,
I said your point stands, not that I liked the way you pointed out. You could send me a private message
but this is not about I made this post...

Please from now own post comments only relative to the post. Continuing this discussion will end up with nothing.


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#84 2012-08-09 22:39:04

rstrcogburn
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Re: Debian Changes Default Desktop From GNOME To XFCE

This is a really good idea.


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#85 2012-11-09 12:38:10

dura
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From: interzone
Registered: 2012-09-15
Posts: 2,107

Re: Debian Changes Default Desktop From GNOME To XFCE

Apparently the rumor that debian was changing default DE to xfce was just that- a rumor. Had a look at the debian site the other site, and disc number one still comes with gnome, there also being other discs available, with xfce, and I think lxde. It was also suggested that debian doesn't have a default DE- it's default is a bare bones system without a DE at all.

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#86 2012-11-09 15:24:14

snowpine
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Registered: 2008-11-24
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Re: Debian Changes Default Desktop From GNOME To XFCE

I installed Wheezy last week, and Gnome 3 is the default desktop environment on DVD 1. (and the installer prompts if you want to choose a different DE)

Last edited by snowpine (2012-11-09 15:24:44)


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#87 2012-11-09 17:32:04

NightJoe
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Re: Debian Changes Default Desktop From GNOME To XFCE

I must comply, Debian has made a wise decision!! XFCE has a bright future due to his light-desktop enviroment, the perfect choice for all standar users. Sadly for GNOME, it has taken a wrong direction of creation such a heavy-bloated desktop where even a minimal resource PC can't see to run properly.


Humans are source codes compiled in many programming languages, and all our hearts beats only 1's & 0's

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#88 2012-11-09 17:35:03

snowpine
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Registered: 2008-11-24
Posts: 2,924

Re: Debian Changes Default Desktop From GNOME To XFCE

NightJoe wrote:

I must comply, Debian has made a wise decision!! XFCE has a bright future due to his light-desktop enviroment, the perfect choice for all standar users. Sadly for GNOME, it has taken a wrong direction of creation such a heavy-bloated desktop where even a minimal resource PC can't see to run properly.

Gnome 3 flies on my relatively modest Vista-era laptop (equal in speed to #!). And it's much less bloated than Gnome 2 was (1 panel instead of 2, no desktop icons by default, etc) in my opinion.


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#89 2012-11-09 17:49:40

VastOne
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Registered: 2011-04-26
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Re: Debian Changes Default Desktop From GNOME To XFCE

^ I sure would like to get the same results you are seeing from Gnome 3.  On every platform I have run it on the performance was extremely poor.  Equal in speed to #!, in what ways, what parameters?


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#90 2012-11-09 17:53:51

snowpine
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Registered: 2008-11-24
Posts: 2,924

Re: Debian Changes Default Desktop From GNOME To XFCE

The biggest improvement I notice is browsing; scrolling through pages and flipping from tab to tab is faster now.


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#91 2012-11-09 18:02:43

ivanovnegro
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Registered: 2011-06-02
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Re: Debian Changes Default Desktop From GNOME To XFCE

dura wrote:

Apparently the rumor that debian was changing default DE to xfce was just that- a rumor.

It was not a rumor. Did you read the first page of this thread? wink They changed it because now somehow Gnome fits again onto one CD. It was even discussed on the Debconf. Though it is true, Debian has no real default desktop.

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#92 2012-11-09 18:05:23

VastOne
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Re: Debian Changes Default Desktop From GNOME To XFCE

^ From what I understand, it was mis reported by just about every tech rag out there without any type of retraction at all.  It seems Debian did something similar to what corenominal did in asking a question that became some peoples reality.


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#93 2012-11-09 19:31:16

brontosaurusrex
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Registered: 2012-06-15
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Re: Debian Changes Default Desktop From GNOME To XFCE

Why is/would debian even make certain DE default? (My impression was they are all stock defaults)

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#94 2012-11-09 20:11:25

VastOne
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Re: Debian Changes Default Desktop From GNOME To XFCE

^ That is how I look at it also.


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#95 2012-11-09 20:19:04

ivanovnegro
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Re: Debian Changes Default Desktop From GNOME To XFCE

They are indeed all stock and ugly vanilla desktops. smile But when you take the first CD or whatever is the official image, usually the first download option if you do not opt for something else or another Debian image, Debian tries to give their users/newcomers a desktop to get started.

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#96 2012-11-10 00:29:32

smoki
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Registered: 2012-02-09
Posts: 256

Re: Debian Changes Default Desktop From GNOME To XFCE

Officilal image is multiarch netinstall wink - see what up-right corner of Debian main web page suggests smile . So this image:

http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0 … etinst.iso

Other images exists just like solution for something, another architecture, etc. But in majority these solutions are for those people with no network. So, those firsts images with some DE on it exists there just if someone want to install some Debian solution, but not have network available during installation, but if someone have network that single one multiarch netinstall image can do anything like any those firsts images and also with that single one on both most popular architectures. So, it practicaly can do anything like another image solutions, just if you have network.

There are many other different images available like unofficial if you need firmwares, to test something, use emdebian, etc, and so on...

I like to have images with firmwares, so for sueeze that is:

http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unoff … etinst.iso

or for wheezy i just grab something latest but most stable, that is now latest beta:

http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unoff … etinst.iso

and that two are just enough for me angel .

First screen when you boot up installer image is most important, there you can choose your main install way cool . If you do not do anything there, you will get what is preselected as default in D-I so Gnome DE   glasses .

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#97 2012-11-10 05:28:58

smoki
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Re: Debian Changes Default Desktop From GNOME To XFCE

Ha, ha and  big_smile

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=n … px=MTIyNTM

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#98 2012-11-10 12:05:09

hashbanger
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Registered: 2011-11-28
Posts: 237

Re: Debian Changes Default Desktop From GNOME To XFCE

Debian should just use Openbox as the default.  cool


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#99 2012-11-11 04:19:13

smoki
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Registered: 2012-02-09
Posts: 256

Re: Debian Changes Default Desktop From GNOME To XFCE

Yeah cool . task-cb-desktop would be cool angel .

Last edited by smoki (2012-11-11 04:19:44)

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