gnome login

ms4sman · 2011-03-24 02:54:57

whenever i try to logon with a gnome session it says the session lasted less than 10 seconds. what does this mean/how do i fix this?

Last edited by ms4sman (2011-04-15 21:35:07)

brickuz · 2011-03-24 14:39:08

I don't know if it will help but other users describing your problem seem to have had problems with permissions for the user's home-folder or /tmp (if you've enabled it you could try to login as root and see if that works). However the message is quite universal so could mean pretty much anything...

Are there any more printouts or does it just say "the session lasted less than 10 seconds"?

Are there anything written in you ~/.xsession-errors file?

EDIT

After some quick googling I guess the whole message you get is:
"Your session only lasted less than 10 seconds. If you have not logged out yourself, this could mean that there is some installation problem or that you may be out of diskspace. Try logging in with one of the failsafe sessions to see if you can fix this problem."

... if that's so, check the ~/.xsession-errors and see if it contains anything.

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Unia · 2011-03-24 15:23:36

You're trying to log in into a GNOME session, right? If so, it's no surprise it won't work since there is no GNOME installed. Crunchbang only comes with openbox or XFCE4, or both if you chose to install the other version.

Unia · 2011-03-24 15:27:38

I should probably add that you can install GNOME in crunchbang if you absolutely need it. I don't recommend it though, as it would basically take away all what crunchbang is about.

brickuz · 2011-03-24 19:19:17

Unia wrote:

You're trying to log in into a GNOME session, right? If so, it's no surprise it won't work since there is no GNOME installed. Crunchbang only comes with openbox or XFCE4, or both if you chose to install the other version.

You sound like an experienced support person, I didn't think of the fact that it's an available option even without having gnome installed .)

omns · 2011-03-24 19:51:54

@brickuz, it appears because there are some gnome libraries in CrunchBang, mainly associated with the network manager. They're not enough though for a full gnome session.

Unia · 2011-03-24 19:55:30

brickuz wrote:

Unia wrote:
You're trying to log in into a GNOME session, right? If so, it's no surprise it won't work since there is no GNOME installed. Crunchbang only comes with openbox or XFCE4, or both if you chose to install the other version.
You sound like an experienced support person, I didn't think of the fact that it's an available option even without having gnome installed .)

omns wrote:

@brickuz, it appears because there are some gnome libraries in CrunchBang, mainly associated with the network manager. They're not enough though for a full gnome session.

Trust me, he is much wiser lol

All the joking aside, do you need help on installing GNOME or will you (try to) live without it?

ms4sman · 2011-03-24 22:23:32

Thank you for your replies. that helps. i never thought that maybe gnome is not installed. to answer unia yes if you know of a tutorial on installing gnome i would like to at least look at it. Thanks!

anonymous · 2011-03-24 22:50:01

Its a simple as:

sudo apt-get install gnome

Undoing the damage however is another story tongue

ms4sman · 2011-03-24 23:00:14

so you dont recommend using gnome?

anonymous · 2011-03-24 23:06:01

From other's experience, installing Gnome can messup Openbox. Besides Openbox is one of the main attractions of #!

ms4sman · 2011-03-25 02:22:58

can u not have both and just choose one or the other?

anonymous · 2011-03-25 02:30:42

Yes that is how it should be; however, I've read experiences where some Gnome stuff took over when Openbox was started.

I really haven't used both Gnome and Openbox on my machines so maybe its no longer a problem. Have fun with Gnome.

Kevin S · 2011-03-25 06:40:56

The biggest question would be whether installing Gnome also does stuff like make Nautilus your default manager. Part of the increased performance in Xfce and Openbox comes from using lighter-weight file managers, so something like that could have an impact. I know Ubuntu allows you to either install the bare minimum files necessary to run another desktop or install all the default applications associated with them. The question is whether the Debian repos allow you to do the same thing.

bobrossw · 2011-03-25 13:24:17

I installed gnome-3 just to try it out...it didn't try to take over my OB sessions, but I wound up removing it anyway.
LXDE does interfere a bit, since it uses OB as well and changes the defaults, but you can fix that by switching around config files around.

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Unia · 2011-03-25 13:47:06

You can also take notes (or a screenshot) of which packages are going to be installed when you install GNOME. This way, you can make sure that when you're gonna remove it, you'll remove all packages and don't leave any bloat behind.

crunchy · 2011-03-26 02:27:13

along the lines of this post, has anybody tried to install KDE and seen what damage it does. I want to know if anybody else has tried it out first.

bobrossw · 2011-03-26 04:12:55

crunchy wrote:

along the lines of this post, has anybody tried to install KDE and seen what damage it does. I want to know if anybody else has tried it out first.

I tried that too...I think it's easier to get rid of than gnome (as long as you don't replace GDM with KDM) since there's not many shared dependencies (if any). Basically you can uncheck everything under the section of synaptic entitled "KDE Desktop Environment". It seems to run fine alongside OB in any case, and I didn't have any problems with it while it was installed...other than the fact that it wasn't OpenBox.

bobrossw · 2011-03-26 04:16:03

Unia wrote:

You can also take notes (or a screenshot) of which packages are going to be installed when you install GNOME. This way, you can make sure that when you're gonna remove it, you'll remove all packages and don't leave any bloat behind.

Synaptic also saves a history (under File>History), which is how I got my sound working again after a brief stint trying out pulseaudio and a few other sound server apps.

crunchy · 2011-03-26 15:47:28

@bobrossw
I just installed it and it's working great. I think that I'm in love with KDE for the most part. smile

i still miss conky. sad

anonymous · 2011-03-26 15:55:45

^ Can't you use conky in KDE?

ms4sman · 2011-03-26 20:04:57

going back to the original topic, so you guys are saying that theoretically, i could install kde, and gnome, and keep openbox, and just use the change session at the login screen to choose what session i want to have and they shouldnt confilict?

Unia · 2011-03-26 20:18:25

Yep, that's what we're saying.

crunchy · 2011-03-26 20:19:54

anonymous wrote:

^ Can't you use conky in KDE?

I can start to run it but then it just disappears sad

@ms4sman yes you can install KDE and gnome and it will work OK. . . just do it in the terminal so that you can keep track of what you're installing (I put a list of the packages of what I was installing into a text file) and it will work. (don't blame me if it doesn't) big_smile

ms4sman · 2011-03-26 22:55:20

So as a test could i boot into a live session and install gnome, then log out, chang my session, and log back in? Then if it doesnt work, just restart and since it is live it wont save anything right? or am i totally confused?

p.s. thank you all for all your help on all my posts, especially anonymous. I am relatively new to linux in general and require alot of help.

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