usb installer

trufflesdad · 2010-09-23 16:11:13

Wonder if anyone has ported the Knoppix usb installer to Crunchbang ?...It is available
on Gentoo but does not seem to be in any Debian lists

snowpine · 2010-09-23 16:56:20

Instructions for installing CrunchBang using USB:

http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/statler … stallation

"dd" is built into all Linux distros so there is no need to borrow an installer from Knoppix.

trufflesdad · 2010-09-23 17:15:06

snowpine wrote:

Instructions for installing CrunchBang using USB:
http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/statler … stallation
"dd" is built into all Linux distros so there is no need to borrow an installer from Knoppix.

Thanks..I have already done this but it does not install with persistance so all changes and upgrades are lost

snowpine · 2010-09-23 17:17:10

trufflesdad wrote:

Thanks..I have already done this but it does not install with persistance so all changes and upgrades are lost

Simply follow this guide and make sure you choose your USB device during the Partitioning step:

http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/crunchb … stallation

nolatux · 2010-09-23 19:27:17

snowpine wrote:

Instructions for installing CrunchBang using USB:
http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/statler … stallation
"dd" is built into all Linux distros so there is no need to borrow an installer from Knoppix.

Snow,

I've not had any success using this method, as it leaves the partition on my USB drive in an unformulated state.

snowpine · 2010-09-23 20:14:49

nolatux wrote:

snowpine wrote:
Instructions for installing CrunchBang using USB:
http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/statler … stallation
"dd" is built into all Linux distros so there is no need to borrow an installer from Knoppix.
Snow,
I've not had any success using this method, as it leaves the partition on my USB drive in an unformulated state.

You mean it fails to create a bootable #! USB, or do you mean it works, but the drive is not usable for other purposes after?

nolatux · 2010-09-23 20:29:31

snowpine wrote:

nolatux wrote:
snowpine wrote:
Instructions for installing CrunchBang using USB:
http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/statler … stallation
"dd" is built into all Linux distros so there is no need to borrow an installer from Knoppix.
Snow,
I've not had any success using this method, as it leaves the partition on my USB drive in an unformulated state.
You mean it fails to create a bootable #! USB, or do you mean it works, but the drive is not usable for other purposes after?

The latter part of your statement is what I've experienced. The process copies the data onto the drive but it leaves it with an unformulated partition and it won't boot.

Last edited by nolatux (2010-09-23 20:32:15)

snowpine · 2010-09-23 20:40:51

nolatux wrote:

snowpine wrote:
nolatux wrote:
Snow,
I've not had any success using this method, as it leaves the partition on my USB drive in an unformulated state.
You mean it fails to create a bootable #! USB, or do you mean it works, but the drive is not usable for other purposes after?
The latter part of your statement is what I've experienced. The process copies the data onto the drive but it leaves it with an unformulated partition and it won't boot.

For me, it created a fully-functional Live USB, however I also had trouble reformatting the USB stick for other purposes at a later date (as I mentioned in the other thread). Turns out the solution was to reformat it twice using Gparted... the change did not "stick" the first time, but it was OK the second.

I've seen enough "Help! I can't install from USB!!!" threads on various Linux forums discussing various distros to reach the conclusion the technology is not quite ready for prime time. Live CD is "tried and true."

nolatux · 2010-09-23 21:58:18

snowpine wrote:

nolatux wrote:
snowpine wrote:
You mean it fails to create a bootable #! USB, or do you mean it works, but the drive is not usable for other purposes after?
The latter part of your statement is what I've experienced. The process copies the data onto the drive but it leaves it with an unformulated partition and it won't boot.
For me, it created a fully-functional Live USB, however I also had trouble reformatting the USB stick for other purposes at a later date (as I mentioned in the other thread). Turns out the solution was to reformat it twice using Gparted... the change did not "stick" the first time, but it was OK the second.
I've seen enough "Help! I can't install from USB!!!" threads on various Linux e forums discussing various distros to reach the conclusion the technology is not quite ready for prime time. Live CD is "tried and true."

There could also be issues amongst the different brands of USB sticks (similar to how some CDR's work best with certain brands of burners/software than others).

After attempting this method numerous times, I then booted into an existing Linux box on my system to do examination. When I looked at my USB drive in Gparted, I found the drive/partition had a black bar around it (indicating it was not formatted).

I formatted the drive in Fat 32 (also enable the boot flag option) before making the attempts to install the USB image but the results always came out the same.

I'm going to take a look at my notes for making a Backtrack4 USB key to see if there's another way to transfer the image to the drive without resorting to Unetbootin. I'll also give http://www.linuxliveusb.com/ a try and see what happens smile

snowpine · 2010-09-23 22:34:14

To clarify, it is normal for a #! Live USB prepared using dd to appear as unformatted in Gparted.

nolatux · 2010-09-24 01:37:22

snowpine wrote:

To clarify, it is normal for a #! Live USB prepared using dd to appear as unformatted in Gparted.

Ok, I did not know... but I also don't know what "dd" is either...lol. Please explain.

I found a two-step solution on how to install the ISO onto a USB, from Windows XP and without using Unetbootin (and allows the use of the default Live Crunchbang menu after install).

The problem with using the two other most popular Window intallers (Lili USB Creator and Universal USB Installer) is that both apps fail to write the /isolinux folder to the USB stick. The 7-Zip file manager utility can extract this folder out of the ISO image and save it to the USB.

The basic steps are:

1) Use Lili USB Creator or Universal USB Installer to extract the image on to the USB drive (which also makes it bootable).

2) Install the 7-Zip file manager to Windows and use the program to explore the ISO and extract the /isolinux folder onto the USB drive.

http://www.7-zip.org/
http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal- … -as-1-2-3/
http://www.linuxliveusb.com/

I have not used this newly created installer USB key to test an install to a hard drive yet. I know from using Unetbootin the repositories do not install correctly to hard drive. This way might could be an alternative to using Unetbootin.

I also tried using the Casper-RW-Creator to add persistence to the key by creating an RW file and renaming it "Live" and then rebooting and hitting the Tab key and adding rpersistence to the line but it did keep the changes.

I guess to make persistence happen we'll still need to boot into a Linux box and use Gparted to split the key and create an ext2 partition and label it "live-rw" and type in "persistence" after hitting the tab button.

With Unetbootin I created an extra menu option to add pesistence. I will probably give it a try using the 7-Zip method. One drawback to using these rigged up persistence methods is that they don't allow the kernel to be updated without doing a special procedure first (I used to know it but I forgot) and I'll probably revisit that procedure again when I get a chance.

-NT smile

trufflesdad · 2010-09-24 09:44:51

I have used both dd and cat to put the .iso onto a usb stick and both work ok but the Knoppix installer will do an an actual install to the thumbdrive and ask you how large a persistence block you need...I have put both Knoppix and a gentoo based distro onto thumb drives and both work really well..

nolatux · 2010-09-24 19:46:58

trufflesdad wrote:

I have used both dd and cat to put the .iso onto a usb stick and both work ok but the Knoppix installer will do an an actual install to the thumbdrive and ask you how large a persistence block you need...I have put both Knoppix and a gentoo based distro onto thumb drives and both work really well..

I'm not very familiar using Knoppix. Do I need to have knoppix installed on my
HD, to use the installer?

trufflesdad · 2010-09-25 06:27:09

nolatux wrote:

trufflesdad wrote:
I have used both dd and cat to put the .iso onto a usb stick and both work ok but the Knoppix installer will do an an actual install to the thumbdrive and ask you how large a persistence block you need...I have put both Knoppix and a gentoo based distro onto thumb drives and both work really well..
I'm not very familiar using Knoppix. Do I need to have knoppix installed on my
HD, to use the installer?

From what I remember you can install it to hdd from the cd same with toorox which is a Gentoo based distro..
However..I have just installed *! to a usb stick using the *! install ..This is the first distro ever I have managed to install to a
usb stick without reciurse to other applications...

nolatux · 2010-09-25 18:22:17

trufflesdad wrote:

nolatux wrote:
trufflesdad wrote:
I have used both dd and cat to put the .iso onto a usb stick and both work ok but the Knoppix installer will do an an actual install to the thumbdrive and ask you how large a persistence block you need...I have put both Knoppix and a gentoo based distro onto thumb drives and both work really well..
I'm not very familiar using Knoppix. Do I need to have knoppix installed on my
HD, to use the installer?
From what I remember you can install it to hdd from the cd same with toorox which is a Gentoo based distro..
However..I have just installed *! to a usb stick using the *! install ..This is the first distro ever I have managed to install to a
usb stick without reciurse to other applications...

Due to time constraints, I'll probably won't be able to get to Knoppix in the near future, but thanks for the suggestion. smile

Last edited by nolatux (2010-09-25 18:23:36)

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