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willxtreme · 2010-01-07 00:11:43

ArchBang = Arch Linux w/ OpenBox (inspired from #!) so ArchBang big_smile !!!

Last edited by willxtreme (2010-03-20 01:49:39)

danielrmt · 2010-01-07 00:22:26

You can also build a system from scratch with exactly what you want using Ubuntu. See http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/minimal

It don't have Arch main advantage: rolling-release.

snowpine · 2010-01-07 00:28:22

Equally fast.

willxtreme · 2010-01-07 00:34:50

Allright problem solved thanks for your fast replies big_smile

If it's as fast BUT with rolling-release that I see as a big plus, then it's worth it.
It would involve a learning curve for me but I'm ready to put the efforts!
All right time to take the dirt off VirtualBox (just finished downloading archlinux-2009.08-core-i686.iso) before trying it on my real laptop smile

babouk · 2010-01-07 00:47:35

I am using both #! and arch (both 64bit )at the moment on my Sony Vaio TZ11

I did not make any tests to measure speed ...
But #! feels almost as fast as arch
I run pekwm with arch and openbox with #!

Boot time is also similar ... about 30s to login-manager
#! 33s and arch 28s

For me the more interesting part is the learning experience of building up my own
system from CLI + rolling release with arch:)

... but #! is so elegant right out of the box ...!!... and I use more or less the same apps
on both systems.

So setting up arch for me is more just for the fun of doing it and
takes quite some time!
+ Fn Keys and a few other things are not easy to get working correctly for me.

Enjoy

Last edited by babouk (2010-01-07 00:49:58)

willxtreme · 2010-01-07 12:29:09

Here's basically what I did in virtualbox
1) Boot cd & login as root & type /arch/setup
2) Select Source>CD
3) Set clock UTC
4) Prepare HD>Auto Prepare for now
***5) Select ALL Packages lol & install them***
6) Configure w/ Nano
-rc.conf>check timezone
>MODULES=(!net-pf-10 !snd_pcsp !pcspkr loop) #to disable ipv6 & beep
>change myhost to your desired cpu name (sasoria)
-/etc/hosts>be sure to see your hostname
-/etc/locale.gen>uncomment your locale
-/etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist>uncomment for your country (Canada)
-Set your root passwd & click Done
7) Bootloader>Grub (check menu.lst & see if all cool)>select your main HD>Reboot
glasses Login as root & ping www.google.com to check your network
9) pacman -Syu & reboot if there was a kernel upgrade
10) useradd -m -G users,audio,video,wheel,storage,optical,power -s /bin/bash will
11) passwd will
12) pacman -S powerpill (powerpill -Syu from now on when you do big installs)
13) pacman -S alsa-utils also-oss>alsaconf (detect snd card)
>run alsamixer as normal user to adjust vol(m to unmute) ex:su - will
14) save settings by going back root & run alsactl store
15) #nano /etc/rc.conf to add alsa & hal: DAEMONS=(syslog-ng network crond alsa hal)
16) in the following order:pacman -S libgl>pacman -S xorg>pacman -S mesa
17) # pacman -S xf86-video-vmware
18) # Xorg -configure > cp /root/xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf
19) enable hotplugging # pacman -S hal dbus xf86-input-evdev xf86-input-synaptics
20) pacman -S openbox obconf obmenu
21) Once openbox is installed you will get a message to move menu.xml & rc.xml to ~/.config/openbox/ in your home directory:
# su - yourusername
$ mkdir -p ~/.config/openbox/
$ cp /etc/xdg/openbox/rc.xml ~/.config/openbox/
$ cp /etc/xdg/openbox/menu.xml ~/.config/openbox/
22)
edit your ~/.xinitrc (as non-root user) and add the following:
exec openbox-session

then I started X (startx) and was on the desktop for the first time it was SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NICE
pacman -S firefox right away and ran Firefox smile as my first application on an empty desktop lol

My goal is to get a cruncharch and want to make my own system as good if not faster but with rolling-release big_smile :D

I've followed arch's Beginners' Guide on the wiki. The only thing that I'm unsure of is step 5. In the guide it says to select base & base-devel which contains extra tools that we'll probably need later. The thing is once you've selected base-devel, it brings you to a new menu in which you can specifically select the packages you want. ALL the base are selected and SOME of the base-devel are selected. I want my system to be fully working but don't want anything that isn't necessary. Since I'm new, I didn't take a chance and selected EVERYTHING lol. Was that necessary/or a good idea? Shouldn't have I left what was selected by default only? Thank you in advance for replying

Last edited by willxtreme (2010-01-07 13:03:20)

anonymous · 2010-01-07 15:03:06

When I get that screen I believe I only selected sudo.

Also since you were installing in VirtualBox, there wasn't any real risk anyways...

willxtreme · 2010-01-07 15:58:46

This afternoon I'll do it on my real laptop (got everything backed up already on an external Hard Drive) big_smile
My laptop's a HP dv6904ca w/ an NVIDIA graphic card.
I'll follow your path anonymous and select base & sudo. My only fear now is for my wireless to work properly. I have a WEP protected wireless network named Gintama w/ a 64 bit ASCII passphrase. With the base set of packages & sudo only, will I be able to use my wifi like charm? smile

anonymous · 2010-01-07 16:06:41

Well you would need to select netcfg, wireless_tools, and the driver for for your wireless adapter (if there is one).

I don't have experience with laptops or wireless so Im afraid I can't really help more.

snowpine · 2010-01-07 16:19:59

willxtreme wrote:

This afternoon I'll do it on my real laptop (got everything backed up already on an external Hard Drive)
My laptop's a HP dv6904ca w/ an NVIDIA graphic card.
I'll follow your path anonymous and select base & sudo. My only fear now is for my wireless to work properly. I have a WEP protected wireless network named Gintama w/ a 64 bit ASCII passphrase. With the base set of packages & sudo only, will I be able to use my wifi like charm?

This will get you started:
http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beg … reless_LAN
http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Wifi

Arch is one of those distros that really rewards you for reading the Wiki. smile

I personally like to start with a wired connection (less hassle), then later once I have a GUI, install WICD, which makes wireless easy.

Last edited by snowpine (2010-01-07 16:57:21)

willxtreme · 2010-01-07 22:57:25

Allright I can start to see the light at the end of the tunnel big_smile
Here's my new steps (this time on my real laptop)
1) Boot CD & login as root>Type km IF you need to change your keyboard's layout>Type arch/setup
2) Select Source>CD
3) Set clock UTC
4) Prepare HD>Auto Prepare if you'll use your entire disk
5) Select base & sudo, netcfg, wireless_tools (type pacman -S base-devel if later you want the extras)
6) Configure w/ Nano
-rc.conf>check timezone
>MODULES=(!net-pf-10 !snd_pcsp !pcspkr loop) #to disable ipv6 & beep
>change myhost to your desired cpu name (sasoria)
-/etc/hosts>be sure to see your hostname
-/etc/locale.gen>uncomment your locale
-/etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist>uncomment for your country (Canada)
-Set your root passwd & click Done
7) Bootloader>Grub (check menu.lst & see if all cool)>select your main HD>Reboot
glasses Login as root & ping www.google.com to check your network
(for wifi network here's what to do: # ifconfig wlan0 up,# iwlist wlan0 scan,# iwconfig wlan0 essid "MyEssid" key s:asciikey, # dhcpcd wlan0)
9) pacman -Syu & reboot if there was a kernel upgrade
10) useradd -m -G users,audio,video,wheel,storage,optical,power -s /bin/bash will
11) passwd will
12) pacman -S powerpill (powerpill -Syu from now on when you do big installs)
13) pacman -S alsa-utils also-oss>alsaconf (detect snd card)
>run alsamixer as normal user to adjust vol(m to unmute) ex:su - will
14) save settings by going back root & run alsactl store
15) #nano /etc/rc.conf to add alsa & hal: DAEMONS=(syslog-ng network crond alsa hal)
16) in the following order:pacman -S libgl>pacman -S xorg>pacman -S mesa
17) # pacman -S nvidia
18) # nvidia-xconfig
19) enable hotplugging # pacman -S hal dbus xf86-input-evdev xf86-input-synaptics
20) pacman -S openbox obconf obmenu
21) Once openbox is installed you will get a message to move menu.xml & rc.xml to ~/.config/openbox/ in your home directory:
# su - yourusername
$ mkdir -p ~/.config/openbox/
$ cp /etc/xdg/openbox/rc.xml ~/.config/openbox
$ cp /etc/xdg/openbox/menu.xml ~/.config/openbox
22)
edit your ~/.xinitrc (as non-root user) and add the following:
exec openbox-session

AND NOW I'M BACK ON AN EMPTY DESKTOP YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY IT TOOK HOURS LOL
Now the issue is that for me to get online I have to # ifconfig wlan0 up,# iwlist wlan0 scan,# iwconfig wlan0 essid "MyEssid" key s:asciikey, # dhcpcd wlan0
It's time to put a network manager (http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NetworkManager) and add tint2, nitrogen, conky, thunar and the applications I need big_smile and see how to autologin (http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Start_X_at_boot)

So far I notice the difference in speed and once I'm done putting the extras I'll give my new time
My tweaked crunchbang took 49 secs to reach desktop fully loaded from the moment I press the power switch

Last edited by willxtreme (2010-01-07 23:05:10)

craigh · 2010-01-07 23:39:32

I am using Arch at the moment on my Dell Mini 10v with Xfce instead of Openbox. I have found it slightly faster than Crunchbang but it is using full Xfce so I wasn't really expecting it to be much faster. The idea of building my own distro was what drew me to Arch and the AUR is an excellent idea.

anonymous · 2010-01-07 23:44:06

Good job willxtreme. And BTW you don't need libgl if your going to use a proprietary video driver (like nvidia).

Also I would change exec openbox-session to exec ck-launch-session openbox-session. It launches consolekit and fixes some mounting issues.

willxtreme · 2010-01-08 01:19:10

Thx for the tips you're so helpful! Did pacman -R libgl but it seems nvidia already took it out of the system lol.
Also, I wasn't able to mount my external HD because of policity kit and you had the solution already lol big_smile

I don't regret installing Arch at all it's so interessing!

Now I'm trying to fix an issue with Exaile that opens as root only I get this when I try to open it normally (as will):

[will@sasoria ~]$ exaile
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/lib/exaile/exaile.py", line 56, in <module>
main()
File "/usr/lib/exaile/exaile.py", line 53, in main
exaile = main.Exaile()
File "/usr/lib/exaile/xl/main.py", line 77, in __init__
self.setup_logging()
File "/usr/lib/exaile/xl/main.py", line 266, in setup_logging
mode='a', backupCount=5)
File "/usr/lib/python2.6/logging/handlers.py", line 107, in __init__
BaseRotatingHandler.__init__(self, filename, mode, encoding, delay)
File "/usr/lib/python2.6/logging/handlers.py", line 59, in __init__
logging.FileHandler.__init__(self, filename, mode, encoding, delay)
File "/usr/lib/python2.6/logging/__init__.py", line 819, in __init__
StreamHandler.__init__(self, self._open())
File "/usr/lib/python2.6/logging/__init__.py", line 838, in _open
stream = open(self.baseFilename, self.mode)
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/will/.config/exaile/exaile.log'
[will@sasoria ~]$

Edit: fixed I had to remove Exaile's config files that were created as root

Last edited by willxtreme (2010-01-08 01:37:42)

willxtreme · 2010-01-08 01:39:21

On Crunchbang I had to launch firefox like this env LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libGL.so.1 firefox to make fullscreen flash work properly
Under Arch it's working flawlessly without doing anything I'm speechless

willxtreme · 2010-01-08 02:03:41

I've followed http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Start_X_at_boot to login automatically smile
The thing is it starts my GUI once I've entered my username and password in console (so now I don't have to type startx) but what I'd like is to not have to write anything at all

Last edited by willxtreme (2010-01-08 02:03:55)

anonymous · 2010-01-08 02:27:17

Did you try the /etc/inittab method listed on that page?

willxtreme · 2010-01-08 02:36:31

Nope I haven't that's what I was missing thank you big_smile

willxtreme · 2010-01-08 03:59:48

This is it I'm almost done setting up Archbang and I went from 49 sec to 39 sec big_smile

My only issue left:
-I always got to type my password in Network Manager lol

Last edited by willxtreme (2010-01-08 04:06:38)

anonymous · 2010-01-08 04:54:31

http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Net … fter_login

But since you don't use GDM, I think you have to edit the /etc/pam.d/login file instead.

willxtreme · 2010-01-08 05:18:40

Edited /etc/pam.d/login & /etc/pam.d/passwd but still no prompt to remember password

benj1 · 2010-01-08 08:56:08

does pam work from console login ?
i ask because the standard slim build doesn't work with pam, so i would assume its a non standard thing.

anyway wicd will remember your password, try that.

willxtreme · 2010-01-08 17:53:56

I've followed the steps to install wicd in archwiki but I get a dbus error message

I've followed http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Wic … or_message for troubleshooting but it didn't work so I'm back with network manager that doesn't remember my password for now lol

anonymous · 2010-01-08 19:01:29

Have you tried using netcfg instead?

http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Network_Profiles

willxtreme · 2010-01-08 23:32:54

netcfg is interessing big_smile but it's the same as autostarting a customized script I've made called
wireless.sh:
ifconfig wlan0 up
iwconfig wlan0 essid "Gintama" key s:hanzo
dhcpcd wlan0

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