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#1 2015-02-16 19:04:34

Unia
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A community continuation: BunsenLabs

*** September 09, 2015 Update: RC1 ISOs Released ***

Dear Crunchbang community,

As you all know, several of us have been investigating and working on a community edition of Crunchbang Linux. After a lengthy discussion, the name for this project was settled to be BunsenLabs or Bunsen for the true minimalists.

Johnraff has excellently investigated what made Crunchbang Crunchbang in his exploration to create Wally. Pvsage has been exploring our options on what to include in Bunsen and several others have done their part as well (to mind come damo and hhh with their artwork, hhh, tknomanzr and brontosaurusrex with their own respins and yes, even ew is back on our side. I'm sure I'm forgetting someone, but no disrespect is meant!)

What we were lacking, however, was coordination and something of an infrastructure. Rest assured we are working on restructuring the forums to better suit our new community needs. A new layout is in discussion and we just need Philip to implement it for us. When this has been done, we will do our moderator job to clean up the mess and move topics to where they belong.

To help centralize our BunsenLabs efforts, I have now in discussion with the other moderators set up a BunsenLabs GitHub organization which shall hold all our work. I envision this to be a central community place where development happens, as it is generally easier to track issues and suggest direct improvements (in the form of pull requests) there than it is here on the forums. Of course, neither can replace the other so the forums will still be used for discussions and improvements as well! (Especially when the new layout is up). The goal is to have direct improvements done in the form of pull requests on the relevant repository (see below), while lengthy discussions should still remain on the forum, accessible to everyone and not just contributors/developers.

Now, where can this organization be found? Surprise: here! Currently, we sport four repositories:

  • Artwork: this repository shall hold community artwork, such as wallpapers and GTK+ and icon themes.

  • Installscripts: this repository shall hold our installation scripts. These scripts are to be run after a regular Debian netinstall and will install our selection of packages (most likely the same set as Crunchbang) and clone our other repositories to put everything into place.

  • Configs: this repository shall hold our configuration files, such as Openbox's menu.xml and tint2's tint2rc. Scripts that are not installation scripts shall also be placed here; think pipemenus for example.

  • Docs: this repository shall hold documentation that are featured on a BunsenLabs installation and operation, as well as other facets related to the operation of the community.

In the future, more repositories might be added. We can, for example, place our build scripts in a new repository once we get to the step of creating our own iso images.

All moderators are/will be an owner in the organization so they have full power both on the forums and on GitHub. Next to this, every repository is accompanied by a team with the same name (so: Artwork Team, Installscripts Team, Configs Team and Docs Team) that has full admin access to its related repository. Forum members can enlist to be a part of one or more teams, to which a moderator will decide. Note that you do not have to be a member of a team to contribute! Regular users with a GitHub account are welcome and encouraged to make pull request as they see fit! Being a team member merely gives you the power (and responsibility) to push to a repository without having to have your changes checked (debatable, still) and gives you the responsibility to check other contributors' pull requests before merging them. Basically, as a team member you are responsible for that subsection of BunsenLabs Linux.

An issue you might be thinking of is that not everyone knows how to or even wants to use git and/or GitHub. I plan on searching for a proper tutorial online that explains the basics so you can get going, or to write one myself if none fullfils my expectations. For now, you can check out GitHub's bootcamp. You are of course also invited to ask questions on the forums, should you run into problems. Lastly, if it really does not work out, you can contact a team member who can make your changes for you (with proper credits, of course!).

Well, that's that! I hope you are as excited as we are in this next step of our community respin and in keeping Crunchbang's spirit alive! If you have any questions, concerns or other things to get off your chest, shoot down below!

=== Mod Edit === as suggested - Good idea Le Barde!  With a slight change to the wording KrunchTime used.

KrunchTime wrote:
Le Barde wrote:

Now, is there a public page that would sum up the project's roadmap?

BunsenLabs Development Team and current status.

Le Barde wrote:

Nice! Thanks!
Maybe a link to that thread could be put in the very first post of this topic?
Happy to see there will be a continuation to Crunchbang!

Thanks guys.

Last edited by Sector11 (2015-05-08 17:11:53)


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#2 2015-02-16 19:14:06

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Re: A community continuation: BunsenLabs

Unia wrote:

I'm sure I'm forgetting someone, but no disrespect is meant!

brontosaurusrex has a nice thread going.

Bravo, Unia!!!

How do I gett on the Artwork team?  monkey

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#3 2015-02-16 19:16:30

Unia
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Re: A community continuation: BunsenLabs

I shall add him to the list lol Keep 'em coming!

Incidentally, I just came across this introduction to what GitHub actually is: http://opensource.com/life/15/2/beginners-guide-github

Might be an interesting read for people who were wondering just that.

hhh wrote:

How do I gett on the Artwork team?  monkey

We were expecting people would enlist themselves, which they can do in this thread for now. We were hoping you'd want to join, as your GTK+ themes fit right in! If you send your GitHub username to one of the moderators, we will add you to the Artwork Team!


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#4 2015-02-16 19:17:03

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Re: A community continuation: BunsenLabs

Great stuff, everyone. I love how self-organising the community has been on this.

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#5 2015-02-16 19:53:06

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Re: A community continuation: BunsenLabs

Count me in though I'm not sure where  big_smile I've sorta been all over the place so far. However, for now I am focusiing my efforts on getting a working config going out of Debian Live. Feel free to pull whatever is on my private repo that you want to keep and/or modify. I did include the base .xfc files for the walls I built so that they may be easily modified.

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#6 2015-02-16 20:01:29

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Re: A community continuation: BunsenLabs

I just opened the 1st pull request for a Debian package of hhh's Deb8 theme I accidentally finished packaging a few minutes ago big_smile

Unia, don't forget to change the organization's logo!


Tannhäuser ~ {www,pkg,ddl}.bunsenlabs.org/{gitlog,repoidx}

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#7 2015-02-16 20:05:29

Unia
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Re: A community continuation: BunsenLabs

tknomanzr wrote:

Count me in though I'm not sure where  big_smile I've sorta been all over the place so far. However, for now I am focusiing my efforts on getting a working config going out of Debian Live. Feel free to pull whatever is on my private repo that you want to keep and/or modify. I did include the base .xfc files for the walls I built so that they may be easily modified.

Figured you wanted to be in wink Feel free to make pull requests with whatever you see fit, this way the proper credit is given to you!

twoion wrote:

I just opened the 1st pull request for a Debian package of hhh's Deb8 theme I accidentally finished packaging a few minutes ago big_smile

And the award of the first pull request has been handed out! It's merged! smile

twoion wrote:

Unia, don't forget to change the organization's logo!

Damo is working on one!


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#8 2015-02-16 20:18:31

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Re: A community continuation: BunsenLabs

Bah could care less about the credit  tongue What matters to me is that this thing continue. Since I loaded up #! a year and a half or so ago and since I started frequenting these forums, much later, my understanding of Linux has just exploded. The credit should stay right here...where it belongs.

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#9 2015-02-16 20:25:02

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Re: A community continuation: BunsenLabs

Time to drink...   smile

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#10 2015-02-16 20:28:25

Unia
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Re: A community continuation: BunsenLabs

tknomanzr wrote:

Bah could care less about the credit  tongue What matters to me is that this thing continue. Since I loaded up #! a year and a half or so ago and since I started frequenting these forums, much later, my understanding of Linux has just exploded. The credit should stay right here...where it belongs.

Alright then! I'll see what you have up there later, it's on my list!


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#11 2015-02-16 21:10:02

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Re: A community continuation: BunsenLabs

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#12 2015-02-16 21:14:55

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Re: A community continuation: BunsenLabs

This calls for a little celebration ... Congratulations, and all the best. Thanks Unia.
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#13 2015-02-16 21:59:24

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Re: A community continuation: BunsenLabs

Great! Finally! This is amazing! Good job!

Unia wrote:

Docs: this repository shall hold documentation that are featured on a BunsenLabs installation and operation, as well as other facets related to the operation of the community.

Hold on, how is it going to hold it? I mean, should we write doc files (with markdown) or open a page on the wiki (https://github.com/BunsenLabs/docs/wiki)? I think that the wiki should be preferred because everyone can contribute (no git knowledge required), my observations also show that doc repos are usually almost dead (too long process to make tiny changes, thus no one is contributing).

Unia wrote:

Configs: this repository shall hold our configuration files, such as Openbox's menu.xml and tint2's tint2rc. Scripts that are not installation scripts shall also be placed here; think pipemenus for example.

Hm, are you sure? I think that a new repository must be created for any of these scripts.

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#14 2015-02-16 22:24:36

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Re: A community continuation: BunsenLabs

sysaxed wrote:
Unia wrote:

Docs: this repository shall hold documentation that are featured on a BunsenLabs installation and operation, as well as other facets related to the operation of the community.

Hold on, how is it going to hold it? I mean, should we write doc files (with markdown) or open a page on the wiki (https://github.com/BunsenLabs/docs/wiki)? I think that the wiki should be preferred because everyone can contribute (no git knowledge required), my observations also show that doc repos are usually almost dead (too long process to make tiny changes, thus no one is contributing).

We will find out in due time how this will hold. There is not much Bunsen specific documentation, so it shouldn't be too hard to keep this alive and up to date. The wiki is (I think) not the place to be, as this is supposed to be installed on a BunsenLabs environment. Perhaps the creater of this repository, lcafiero, can chime in on what he thinks should be done with it and expand on its purpose?

Note that this is how we work: do-ocracy instead of democracy. Sometimes things might be done that in hindsight, are better done otherwise. We are a small project however, so we can be dynamic and work with things as we go.

sysaxed wrote:
Unia wrote:

Configs: this repository shall hold our configuration files, such as Openbox's menu.xml and tint2's tint2rc. Scripts that are not installation scripts shall also be placed here; think pipemenus for example.

Hm, are you sure? I think that a new repository must be created for any of these scripts.

I don't think so. We should not over-do our amount of repositories. But again: in due time we will figure out what is best. We can always change our setup.


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#15 2015-02-16 22:49:53

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Re: A community continuation: BunsenLabs

Way to go Unia. I'm on your side in this matter. No doubt about it. And don't worry, there will be no need to ban me in the future wink

As for the "git" thing, it's kind of new to me. I used it a little bit many years ago. Vagely remember some commands like push origin master and other alian formats, but I did manage to do it after some trial and errors, so I probably will be able to do it again. I did find a good manual back then, but I can't remember where smile

To my surprise I found my abandoned github. Couldn't remember the password, so I wasn't able to login. But I found a gtk-theme that I was able to download. A theme that I can't remember at all. Exciting to see what I was up to way back then smile

Edit: Hey, that old gtk-theme wasn't so bad as I expected it to be. It actually looked quite good. If nothing else, I have rediscovered one of my old theme-hacks. It's actually the nicest theme that I have installed now, so I will be using it smile

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#16 2015-02-17 00:15:39

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Re: A community continuation: BunsenLabs

Wow...Awesome work Unia...this is such an exciting time!!!

Q: Does this mean the Bunsen Lab Linux will be the new branding name and logo, along with naming this Forum?


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#17 2015-02-17 00:23:56

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Re: A community continuation: BunsenLabs

Unia, thank you for getting this going, it looks like a great start!

Unia wrote:
sysaxed wrote:
Unia wrote:

Docs: this repository shall hold documentation that are featured on a BunsenLabs installation and operation, as well as other facets related to the operation of the community.

Hold on, how is it going to hold it? I mean, should we write doc files (with markdown) or open a page on the wiki (https://github.com/BunsenLabs/docs/wiki)? I think that the wiki should be preferred because everyone can contribute (no git knowledge required), my observations also show that doc repos are usually almost dead (too long process to make tiny changes, thus no one is contributing).

...The wiki is (I think) not the place to be, as this is supposed to be installed on a BunsenLabs environment. Perhaps the creater of this repository, lcafiero, can chime in on what he thinks should be done with it and expand on its purpose?

What? I thought you had just created this repository, not lcafiero?
GitHub provide a wiki for every repo, if you care to use it.

So, there are two types of docs here I guess:
*) A store of ideas and record of what things have been done, mainly for developers - perhaps on the docs repo wiki?
*) Info for users, along with licence, changelog etc - all these to be installed in /usr/share/doc - perhaps in the docs repo itself?

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#18 2015-02-17 01:44:20

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Re: A community continuation: BunsenLabs

Bunsenlabs, awesome work unia  smile


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#19 2015-02-17 09:25:44

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Re: A community continuation: BunsenLabs

Finally it's getting shape. Thanks, unia!

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#20 2015-02-17 12:36:53

Unia
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Re: A community continuation: BunsenLabs

Twoion raised an interesting point about separating out what will become separate packages and if needed, bundling such repositories as submodules in an encompassing repository.

I have implemented this for the artwork repository (which for now doesn't exist anymore; I have yet to recreate it (clean history) and add the new deb8-theme as a submodule to it). I have also created several more repositories (each related to a cb-* package), that still have to be added to the teams and filled with their content. Feel free to start making pull requests!


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#21 2015-02-17 15:27:59

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Re: A community continuation: BunsenLabs

johnraff wrote:

*) A store of ideas and record of what things have been done, mainly for developers - perhaps on the docs repo wiki?

No. That's why we have "Issues". Closed issues - stuff that has been done (or was rejected). Open issues are ideas.
Duplicating this is not a good idea. You can even mark issues with different tags if you want to have more groups.

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#22 2015-02-17 16:06:04

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Re: A community continuation: BunsenLabs

I am not seeing a repo for the .deb files. Is this still in process? Or maybe I just missed it. For example, CB's debs below.

Best.

cb-configs
cb-conky
cb-cowpowers
cb-exit
cb-fortune
cb-lock
cb-meta-java
cb-meta-libreoffice
cb-meta-printer-support
cb-meta-ssh
cb-meta-vcs
cb-metapackage
cb-pipemenus
cb-slim
cb-tint2
cb-welcome
cb-wmhacks

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#23 2015-02-17 16:56:00

Unia
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Re: A community continuation: BunsenLabs

^ Pvsage and others have stated that we will not support anything that requires its own repository. We'll have to see how to go about this, in due time. I'm thinking a script that locally builds and installs .debs, or something.


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#24 2015-02-17 17:04:47

Unia
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Re: A community continuation: BunsenLabs

The repositories are starting to get some content pushed to them, so go check them out and submit pull request there or suggestions here to get BunsenLabs going!


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#25 2015-02-17 17:10:58

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Re: A community continuation: BunsenLabs

I'll send a pull tonight when I get home. I was gonna do it last night but my laptop decided I needed to sleep, overheated and shut itself down. I foresee some new hardware in my house soon.

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