JWM an option ?

jens · 2012-01-11 16:10:41

well, don't get me wrong here, openbox is really a great WM !
but as has already been discussed briefly in the WM/DE section of this forum, the footprint of JWM is a lot smaller by far.
so to be truly minimalistic, maybe JWM is a better choice for the owners of older/low-end systems.
the default JWM theme looks really ugly IMHO, but there are some nice themes out there.
and not to forget, everything (even the keybindings) is configured via a single XML file.
so let me know what you think about it !
(this is not to start a flame war about WMs, i am just curious about other opinions on the subject.)

rhowaldt · 2012-01-11 17:03:58

well, the most important thing to remember here is that with #! corenominal (the sole developer) set out to create the best Openbox distro of them all. so mixing in another WM defeats that purpose. the previous version of #! came with XFCE as another option, and that was removed from the new point release for that exact reason. lots of people missed it, but in the end the discussions/conversations came down to this whole point.
so if the advice for XFCE was to just 'sudo apt-get install xfce', the advice for JWM would be exactly the same.

Last edited by rhowaldt (2012-01-11 17:04:32)

jens · 2012-01-11 17:05:56

good point.

jens · 2012-01-13 18:03:41

however, i have created a simple dark theme for JWM which fits the #! style.
if anyone is interested in it, feel free to PM me !

2ManyDogs · 2012-01-13 18:33:55

Have you seen this thread?

I also like JWM for its lower memory use and faster loading (on my old Dell machine at least).

It's my default when I'm not using scrotwm or testing something in Openbox.

Last edited by 2ManyDogs (2012-01-14 16:02:20)

jens · 2012-01-13 19:33:27

2ManyDogs,
thanks for the hint, yes, i've seen it before (as stated in post #1).
happy to see other people are interested as well... smile

h8uthemost · 2012-01-14 09:46:26

Wow, I had no idea that JWM is supposed to be so much lighter/faster than OB. I'll have to give it a shot and see how it is.

EDIT: I'll probably end up asking you for your dark theme, jens, if JWM really turns out to be lighter and faster than OB. Mind posting a screen of it?

Last edited by h8uthemost (2012-01-14 09:52:03)

jens · 2012-01-14 09:55:19

h8uthemost,
when testing, don't be irritated by JWM's ugly default color scheme and font -
of course you can adjust everything to your liking. you will find JWM is tiny, fast and stable.
it is only a single package to install and the configuration is done via a single XML file in your home directory (/home/user/.jwmrc).
really great IMO !

here are a few themes that i have created:

https://www.dropbox.com/gallery/17963214/1/JWM?h=8ff196

and BTW, i use a single desktop only, so i have deactivated the pager by default.

Last edited by jens (2012-01-19 00:04:20)

h8uthemost · 2012-01-14 10:14:09

I appreciate, jens. I'm going to install and play with it tomorrow when I have more time. I'll report back after I've spent a little time with it.

Thanks.

2ManyDogs · 2012-01-14 13:50:35

jens wrote:

2ManyDogs,
thanks for the hint, yes, i've seen it before (as stated in post #1).)

Sorry, I should have been more specific. I meant that others had created a dark theme for JWM. But now that I've seen your screen shots I'd like to play with yours as well -- it's more complete and prettier smile . Can you post just the theme portion of your .jwmrc (just the "styles")?.

jens · 2012-01-14 14:32:48

2ManyDogs,
ok, here's the "styles" code for the "ice" theme:

    <Tray  x="0" y="-1" height="30">
       <TrayButton label="Menu">root:1</TrayButton>
       <TrayButton label=" _ ">showdesktop</TrayButton> 
<!--       <Pager/>  -->
       <TaskList/>
       <Dock/>
       <Clock format="%H:%M"></Clock>
    </Tray>
 
    <WindowStyle>
       <Font antialias="true">arial-10:bold</Font>
       <Width>4</Width>
       <Height>20</Height>
       <Active>
          <Text>white</Text>
          <Title>skyblue:grey10</Title>
          <Outline>grey10</Outline>
      <Corner>grey10</Corner>
       </Active> 
       <Inactive>
          <Text>white</Text>
          <Title>grey70:grey10</Title>
          <Outline>grey10</Outline>
      <Corner>grey10</Corner>
       </Inactive> 
    </WindowStyle>
 
    <TaskListStyle>
       <Font antialias="true">arial-10:normal</Font>
       <ActiveForeground>white</ActiveForeground>
       <ActiveBackground>skyblue:black</ActiveBackground>
       <Foreground>white</Foreground>
       <Background>grey50:black</Background>
    </TaskListStyle>
 
    <TrayStyle>
       <Font antialias="true">arial-10:normal</Font>
       <Foreground>white</Foreground>
       <Background>black</Background>
    </TrayStyle>
  
    <MenuStyle>
       <Font antialias="true">arial-10:normal</Font>
       <Foreground>white</Foreground>
       <Background>grey10</Background>
       <ActiveForeground>black</ActiveForeground>
       <ActiveBackground>yellow:orange</ActiveBackground>
    </MenuStyle>

...and here for the minimalistic "dark" theme (matching the #! style) as well:

    <Tray  x="0" y="-1" height="30">
       <TrayButton label="Menu">root:1</TrayButton>
       <TrayButton label="_">showdesktop</TrayButton> 
<!--       <Pager/>  -->
       <TaskList/>
       <Dock/>
       <Clock format="%H:%M"></Clock>
    </Tray>
 
    <WindowStyle>
       <Font antialias="true">terminus-10:bold</Font>
       <Width>4</Width>
       <Height>20</Height>
       <Active>
          <Text>#c0c0c0</Text>
          <Title>#404040</Title>
          <Outline>#404040</Outline>
      <Corner>#404040</Corner>
       </Active> 
       <Inactive>
          <Text>#c0c0c0</Text>
          <Title>#202020</Title>
          <Outline>#202020</Outline>
      <Corner>#202020</Corner>
       </Inactive> 
    </WindowStyle>
 
    <TaskListStyle>
       <Font antialias="true">terminus-10:normal</Font>
       <ActiveForeground>#c0c0c0</ActiveForeground>
       <ActiveBackground>#404040</ActiveBackground>
       <Foreground>#c0c0c0</Foreground>
       <Background>#202020</Background>
    </TaskListStyle>
 
    <TrayStyle>
       <Font antialias="true">terminus-10:normal</Font>
       <Foreground>#c0c0c0</Foreground>
       <Background>black</Background>
    </TrayStyle>
 
    <MenuStyle>
       <Font antialias="true">terminus-10:normal</Font>
       <Foreground>#c0c0c0</Foreground>
       <Background>#202020</Background>
       <ActiveForeground>#c0c0c0</ActiveForeground>
       <ActiveBackground>#404040</ActiveBackground>
    </MenuStyle>

enjoy ! smile

Last edited by jens (2012-01-14 14:52:20)

2ManyDogs · 2012-01-14 14:51:16

Thanks. Here is what I'm using now (based on the grey theme in the post I referenced)

jens · 2012-01-14 14:54:14

looks nice ! smile

2ManyDogs · 2012-01-14 14:58:36

Thanks. You're right about the default JWM theme being really ugly...

Have you seen the JWM themes in Puppy Linux? They have a bunch (JWM is their default WM).

jens · 2012-01-14 15:02:05

yeah, i know about puppy. there is especially one theme by "WhoDo" which i like best:

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. … b36803cfc2

but since it is a .pet file, i cannot extract it (no puppy around here).

2ManyDogs · 2012-01-14 15:19:03

there is a lot of stuff in that pet, but I think this is the part you need (you might have to play with the font sizes though)

I wouldn't have 2ManyDogs if I didn't have at least one puppy... hmm

<!--
TITLE: Vista
AUTHOR: Tom
Created: 01/09/2007
Version: 0.1.0
Updates: none: first release.
JWM ver: 2.0
Hacked by WW Nov 2007 for Puppy 3.0
-->

<!-- WINDOW PROPERTIES -->

<WindowStyle>

<Font>FreeSans-9:bold</Font>
<Width>4</Width
<Height>20</Height>

<Active>
<Text>white</Text>
<Title>#aaaaaa:black</Title>
<Corner>#aaaaaa</Corner>
<Outline>black</Outline>
</Active>

<Inactive>
<Text>black</Text>
<Title>white:#dce2f2</Title>
<Corner>white</Corner>
<Outline>black</Outline>
</Inactive>

</WindowStyle>

<!-- TRAY PROPERTIES -->

<ClockStyle>
<Font>DejaVu Sans-12:bold</Font>
<Foreground>#ffffff</Foreground>
<Background>#000000</Background>
</ClockStyle>

<TaskListStyle>
<Font>FreeSans-12:bold</Font>
<ActiveForeground>white</ActiveForeground>
<ActiveBackground>black:#9dbbdb</ActiveBackground>
<Foreground>white</Foreground>
<Background>gray50:black</Background>
</TaskListStyle>

<TrayStyle>
<Font>FreeSans-12:bold</Font>
<Background>gray10</Background>
<Foreground>white</Foreground>
</TrayStyle>

<!-- PAGER PROPERTIES -->

<PagerStyle>
<Outline>black</Outline>
<Foreground>white</Foreground>
<Background>gray20</Background>
<ActiveForeground>#9dbbdb</ActiveForeground>
<ActiveBackground>gray20</ActiveBackground>
</PagerStyle>

<!-- SYSTEM LOAD MODULE PROPERTIES -->


<!-- POPUP PROPERTIES -->

<PopupStyle>
<Font>FreeSans-10</Font>
<Outline>black</Outline>
<Foreground>black</Foreground>
<Background>ivory</Background>
</PopupStyle>

<!-- MENU PROPERTIES -->

<MenuStyle>
      <Font>-adobe-helvetica-bold-r-*-*-*-180-*-*-*-*-*-*</Font>
      <Foreground>#FFFFFF</Foreground>
      <Background>black</Background>
      <ActiveForeground>#000000</ActiveForeground>
      <ActiveBackground>#1576dd:#ffffff</ActiveBackground>
</MenuStyle>

<!-- BACKGROUND KEY BINDING -->

jens · 2012-01-14 15:24:29

oh, that's really great ! thanks a lot !
give your puppy a hug from me ! wink

h8uthemost · 2012-01-15 17:44:55

Well I've spent a little time with JWM. And it really reminds me of IceWM. Which I was always fond of. I really like how JWM has it's complete config in one single .xml file.

But...I read posts about how much lighter JWM is than OB. And I'm autostarting the exact same apps with JWM that I am with OB, but JWM is using about 8MB more than OB. I mean it's not a huge increase, it's just that I was expecting a pretty big decrease going by the posts when using JWM.

It's still a pretty good WM though. Like I said it reminds me of IceWM, but I'm already liking JWM quite a bit more.

snowpine · 2012-01-15 17:54:50

No way you'll detect a major difference between JWM and Openbox on modern hardware. Maybe on a very old computer where every mb counts.

Here is my all-time favorite JWM theme, from SliTaz 1.0: http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/slitaz.html

I love orange! smile

jens · 2012-01-15 19:12:22

out of plain fun i have created another JWM theme...

http://www.dropbox.com/gallery/17963214/1/JWM?h=350d10

you will most likely hate theme number 3 (guess why !?), but feel free to closely examine the taskbar's launch button... big_smile

gensym · 2012-01-15 19:48:19

(the blurred folder had my name written on it)
Here the visuals section from my JWM config, maybe some will find it useful:

    <WindowStyle>

        <!--<Font>-*-fixed-*-r-*-*-9-*-*-*-*-*-*-*</Font>-->
        <Font> liberation.sans-8</Font>
       <Width>4</Width>
       <Height>13</Height>

       <Active>
          <Text>white</Text>
          <Title>#70849d:#2e3a67</Title>
          <Corner>white</Corner>
          <Outline>black</Outline>
       </Active>

       <Inactive>
          <Text>#aaaaaa</Text>
          <Title>#808488:#303438</Title>
          <Corner>#aaaaaa</Corner>
          <Outline>black</Outline>
       </Inactive>

    </WindowStyle>

    <TaskListStyle>
        <!--<Font>-*-fixed-*-r-*-*-10-*-*-*-*-*-*-*</Font>-->
        <Font>liberation-sans.8</Font>

       <!--<ActiveBackground>gray90:gray70</ActiveBackground>-->
       <ActiveBackground>#121010:#000000</ActiveBackground>
       <ActiveForeground> white </ActiveBackground>
       <Foreground>grey60</Foreground>
       <!--<Background>gray70:gray90</Background>-->
       <Background>#474747:#323232</Background>
    </TaskListStyle>

    <!-- Additional TrayStyle attribute: insert -->
    <TrayStyle>
        <!--<Font>-terminus-clear-*-r-*-*-9-*-*-*-*-*-*-*</Font> -->
        <Font>liberation.sans-9</Font>
       <Background>#121010</Background>
       <Foreground>white</Foreground>
    </TrayStyle>

    <PagerStyle>
       <Outline>#4b4b4b</Outline>
       <Foreground>#3c3c3c</Foreground>
       <Background>#777777</Background>
       <ActiveForeground>#3399ff</ActiveForeground>
       <ActiveBackground>#2e3a67</ActiveBackground>
    </PagerStyle>

    <MenuStyle>
        <!--<Font>-*-fixed-*-r-*-*-9-*-*-*-*-*-*-*</Font> -->
        <Font>liberation.sans-9</Font>
       <Foreground>#92ac68</Foreground>
       <Background>#121010</Background>
       <ActiveForeground>ccff99</ActiveForeground>
       <ActiveBackground>#444444:#555555</ActiveBackground>
    </MenuStyle>

    <PopupStyle>
        <!--<Font>-*-fixed-*-r-*-*-10-*-*-*-*-*-*-*</Font>-->
        <Font> liberation.sans-9</Font>
       <Outline>#4b4b4b</Outline>
       <Foreground>white</Foreground>
       <Background>#3c3c3c</Background>
    </PopupStyle>

    <IconPath>
        /usr/share/icons/elementary/apps/16
    </IconPath>

Last edited by gensym (2012-01-15 20:19:30)

jens · 2012-01-15 19:59:11

thanks, gensym. how about a screenshot, too ?

gensym · 2012-01-15 20:06:13

Ok.

jens · 2012-01-18 21:06:21

ok guys... by now, this thread has become quite a bit JWM-config-heavy,
so i would like to ask a forum moderator to shove it down the pipe into the WM/DE TALK section.

pvsage · 2012-01-18 21:47:25

/moved wink

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