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#1 2010-06-27 21:31:02

luvva_cuppa
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On a more sinister note: Are you afraid of Google?

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#2 2010-06-27 21:51:24

omns
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Registered: 2008-11-25
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Re: On a more sinister note: Are you afraid of Google?

I think this is pretty simple. If you don't like it. Don't use it.

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#3 2010-06-27 23:49:56

corenominal
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Re: On a more sinister note: Are you afraid of Google?

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#4 2010-06-28 00:21:25

Awebb
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Re: On a more sinister note: Are you afraid of Google?


I'm so meta, even this acronym

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#5 2010-06-28 00:21:51

jollysnowman
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From: Austin, TX
Registered: 2009-11-17
Posts: 223

Re: On a more sinister note: Are you afraid of Google?

Foreal. They can't gather information you don't provide.

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#6 2010-06-28 01:33:01

Sector11
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Re: On a more sinister note: Are you afraid of Google?

Google?  Why just Google?  Why not something even bigger?

The Internet?

100 years from now I will not care!

Other than that I will deal with things on a day to day basis.

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#7 2010-06-28 04:04:19

safetycopy
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Re: On a more sinister note: Are you afraid of Google?

Google is no different than a thousand other companies. Social Security, NHS, your Kroger card, your Block Buster card, your GameFly history, your banking and money habits, blah, blah, blah. It's the world we live in. Sure, people track what you do and where you go, but that's the way it's always been in one form or another. Just be sensible online and don't put any info up you don't want people to have. You can't avoid spam, and you can't not leave traces that companies use to build profiles of you now any more than you could twenty years ago. The method is different these days, but it's the same old thing. Big Brother has always been watching you. It always seems weird to me that people expect to be able to treat the internet like a survivalist treats his basement full of tinned beans and bottled water. It's just not the world we live and hasn't been since the industrial revolution.

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#8 2010-06-28 10:45:39

pablokal
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Re: On a more sinister note: Are you afraid of Google?

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#9 2010-06-28 10:50:45

benj1
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Re: On a more sinister note: Are you afraid of Google?

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#10 2010-06-28 11:12:14

pablokal
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#11 2010-06-28 12:12:51

achristoffersen
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Registered: 2009-03-23
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Re: On a more sinister note: Are you afraid of Google?

scroogle is another way to lessen the google paranoia. It lets you search through google - but anonymously.

The problem here is: I want the companies to know me. I want them to suggest serch-terms, products, upcoming events and even possible friends, based on my behaviour.

On the other hand - I don't want them to abuse that information. To tell me wife if I am cheating, to inform the insurance company that my insurance premium should go up,  because I use linux - and hence is an outlier in terms of behaviour (but would I like my insurance premium to go down because my google searches suggest that I always buy products based on saftytest, and besides have a knack of fixing them my self???).  And even though the system has no interest in whether I use porn or not, an employee in that system might have that interest. There are lots of examples where employees privy to confidential information has used it for personal gains, vendattas or pure fun. I know - because I have worked with confidential information.

The problem is real. And it's a balance.

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#12 2010-06-28 12:51:56

semko
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Re: On a more sinister note: Are you afraid of Google?

I know that (not only) google knows something about me. So what?
The question is: Is there something I have to hide?
a bit off-topic:
I'm only afraid of those who don't (want to) know.

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#13 2010-06-28 13:02:29

jollysnowman
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From: Austin, TX
Registered: 2009-11-17
Posts: 223

Re: On a more sinister note: Are you afraid of Google?

I don't think going through the trouble of find an alternative search engine and deleting your (if it exists) Google account are really necessary to avoid giving away personal information. The only places my full name appears on the internet are on my Facebook, my school personal profile webpage, and various websites that mention me. All of my emails have my last name as an initial, and any important communication is done through my university email (which is essentially an ISP email). I use Thunderbird to access Gmail and as such, I'm pretty much never logged in to my Google account in a browser. Sure, they could look at the IP address and connect the dots if they wanted to, but I don't directly provide any information. Google probably still scans my email for keywords, but I use my Gmail for impersonal things, like store mailing lists, forum registration, and other similar things. And when I do things online like pay bills, I use a private window in Opera to isolate any cookies.

If you minimize your identifying activity, there isn't much to worry about.

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#14 2010-06-28 13:40:18

luvva_cuppa
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Posts: 214

Re: On a more sinister note: Are you afraid of Google?

@pablokal Thanks for the duckgogo link. I will be exploring it in more detail.
@Awebb continue with your reading of 1984.

Nice tips from forum members on how they maintain their online privacy. Always an interesting read.

I posted the link to the video because I think that the video raises some valid isssues. I am a fan of Google and use some of their services (Gmail, Calendar) but at the same time, to use the pet analogy, if you own a large dog you need to keep it under control otherwise it could get nasty and turn on you. It's just not healthy for any one company to get that big without some system of checks and balances in place.
Worth bearing in mind as the beast is allowed to grow.

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#15 2010-06-28 13:55:54

corenominal
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Re: On a more sinister note: Are you afraid of Google?

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#16 2010-06-28 14:16:14

Sector11
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Re: On a more sinister note: Are you afraid of Google?

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#17 2010-06-28 15:04:51

dove
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Posts: 166

Re: On a more sinister note: Are you afraid of Google?

Oil co.s and our addiction to their product s far more of a issue than "google" for humanities upcoming early extinction.

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#18 2010-06-28 15:24:34

pvsage
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Registered: 2009-10-18
Posts: 13,970

Re: On a more sinister note: Are you afraid of Google?

My 2¢:

The video ends with "Trying very hard not to be evil" and an approximation of the mask that represents Anakin Skywalker's transformation into Darth Vader.  This is a faulty analogy, unless they're suggesting that some outside force (perhaps another corporate entity) is corrupting Google in the way that Emperor Palpatine/Darth Sidious turned Anakin toward the Dark Side.  So are they suggesting that there is a Bigger Bad pulling Google's strings?

If I took that "report" seriously in any way, I'd want to know more about the people who made it and who provided "promotional consideration" for it.  If, for example, they received funding from Microsoft/Bing!, I would simply consider it an advertisement.

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#19 2010-06-28 15:41:10

Tunafish
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Re: On a more sinister note: Are you afraid of Google?

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#20 2010-06-28 17:42:51

winotree
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Re: On a more sinister note: Are you afraid of Google?

I reckon if you lived your life as if you had nothing to hide then maybe there'd be nothing to know.

On a more sinister note I remember a woman-friend that, at the time I thought took an inordinate interest in me -- and of course I was flattered.  Turns out within the year she'd used things I'd said, things I'd shared against me.  You don't mean to suggest that Google or our own government would do this, too?  yikes  tongue  lol

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#21 2010-06-28 18:23:41

jollysnowman
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#22 2010-06-28 18:27:14

winotree
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Re: On a more sinister note: Are you afraid of Google?

Sounds good, though.  wink

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#23 2010-06-28 18:48:46

winotree
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Re: On a more sinister note: Are you afraid of Google?

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#24 2010-06-28 19:48:34

Sector11
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Re: On a more sinister note: Are you afraid of Google?

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#25 2010-06-28 20:40:57

Tunafish
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Registered: 2010-03-07
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Re: On a more sinister note: Are you afraid of Google?

It doesn't matter to me if i have something to hide or not... the question for me is why they (google, bing, the government, the rail company, the library, etc) want to keep all this information about me. If it's not important, why do they keep it?

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