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#1 2015-08-07 08:26:15

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Think Multiple Times Before Using or Upgrading to Windows 10

The update to Windows 10, the report said, “automatically made [a man's] porn collection into a slideshow and used it as a screensaver. And to make matters worse, the malfunction was discovered by his wife, who was greeted by the explicit images first thing in the morning.”

Please, pvsage, no slideshows of pink ponies.  lol

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#2 2015-08-07 13:04:09

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Re: Think Multiple Times Before Using or Upgrading to Windows 10

The report said a user posted the story online so others would not repeat the mistake, which reportedly happened when the images were saved into the “My Pictures” folder. It is from that folder the software draws data to build slideshows, the report said.

There's the real problem.  Everyone knows to save to /system/boring/nopenothinghere/binaries/unreadable/noaccess/data/debug/WOPR/en-US/interface/dll/selfdestruct/lib/NSA/.

Noob.

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#3 2015-08-07 14:22:05

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Re: Think Multiple Times Before Using or Upgrading to Windows 10

Stopped using Windows totally and finally for precisely exemplary changes. It is ridiculous to reading up here what're they still doing.


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#4 2015-08-08 08:42:36

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Re: Think Multiple Times Before Using or Upgrading to Windows 10

Unfortunately, I still need Windows for a few things, but I don't boot up the VM very often.


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#5 2015-08-08 15:08:32

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Re: Think Multiple Times Before Using or Upgrading to Windows 10

I also still need Windows for a few things. In the little I've used Windows 10 so far I would rate it better than Windows 8.1 as far as usability.  But it has been developed by Microsoft to be a surveillance machine wrapped around an operating system. They want to know every web site you visit, every search you make...everything. I went to the "store" with the little icon they have prominently placed on the bottom of the screen and saw VLC there. I thought I would install that, and they require that I sign in to a Microsoft account to get this freeware program from their "store." And once signed in on that machine I would then be totally trackable. Everyone's life on MS will be tracked, recorded and stored.


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#6 2015-08-08 16:14:29

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Re: Think Multiple Times Before Using or Upgrading to Windows 10

schwim wrote:

There's the real problem.  Everyone knows to save to /system/boring/nopenothinghere/binaries/unreadable/noaccess/data/debug/WOPR/en-US/interface/dll/selfdestruct/lib/NSA/

AWESOME!  lol


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#7 2015-08-08 18:43:04

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Re: Think Multiple Times Before Using or Upgrading to Windows 10

MsMattie wrote:

I went to the "store" with the little icon they have prominently placed on the bottom of the screen and saw VLC there. I thought I would install that, and they require that I sign in to a Microsoft account to get this freeware program from their "store."

Thanks for sharing this. I'm going to use it as an example when explaining to friends why they should avoid Windows if possible. The truly sad thing is the overwhelming majority of Windows users will have no idea that they could get VLC (or other open source software) without signing up to be tracked across the universe by Microsoft. It's in the store right? So that must be where you have to get it from.

Your other comments-observations were spot on. Especially the following.

developed by Microsoft to be a surveillance machine wrapped around an operating system.

Yes that is exactly what it is.


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#8 2015-08-08 19:00:01

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Re: Think Multiple Times Before Using or Upgrading to Windows 10

Anaconda wrote:

Your other comments-observations were spot on. Especially the following.

developed by Microsoft to be a surveillance machine wrapped around an operating system.

Yes that is exactly what it is.

Which is what Apple and Android have been doing all along with their OSes.  It only makes sense that with MS'es attempt at making a one-size-fits-all OS for mobile and desktop, they would go in the same direction.  The only thing that surprises me is that people are still surprised by something like this.  If you're not purchasing a product, yada yada, you know the rest.

On a related note, I love my Windows installs and like all other new versions of the OS, will grab 10 as soon as the first major patch is released.

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#9 2015-08-09 23:43:37

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Re: Think Multiple Times Before Using or Upgrading to Windows 10

Le sigh.

I really, really like Windows 10. I hate all the tracking that is built in.

One of my favorite websites - ArsTechnica has a good debate going on relating to this topic. I suggest you guys check it out, and read the linked article.

http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic. … &t=1290491

http://arstechnica.com/information-tech … ew-normal/

Here's my comment in the thread:

I find myself torn on this subject of data collection.

I really services like Cortana, Siri and Google now.

I also like my privacy. I don't like targeted ads, hell I don't like ads.

Right now on my Thinkpad I have linux installed but am heavily considering re-doing my setup to dual boot Windows 10 Enterprise and linux. There's just so much cool stuff in the Windows world to walk away, same for the *NIX side of things.

I used to be a huge privacy nut, and maybe years of trying to fight the trends have worn me down. I mean google pretty much knows me better than I know me. Why not Microsoft or Apple? I don't break any laws (that I am aware of), I don't cosume or create child porn, or threaten the President or any crazy shit like that. But I am still troubled by the amount of tracking that goes on.

If they need the data to improve algorithms, fine. Anonymize all the data. Speech, text and handwriting can still be analyzed to improve accuracy for those who have lisps or other speech impediments, not to mention poor handwriting. But other than monetizing it for ads, I don't see why the data needs to be tracked back to me.

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#10 2015-08-10 05:13:14

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Re: Think Multiple Times Before Using or Upgrading to Windows 10

The trouble is, what is free at the point of entry has to monetise itself somewhere else in the chain. Sometimes I feel the internet is just one big database client enabling the collection of endless information on what you want to do and whom you want to do it with.

But it's FREE.

That for me is Canonical's worst sin, saying Ubuntu will always be free to mean it will never cost you anything. Software freedom, lul wat?

I did the opposite. I wiped my Mac a couple of days ago and put Debian on it. Once my Office licence expired, I realised I didn't really need one and therefore was just using the Mac for Logic Pro (a time sink) and to load Linux in a VM. Apart from the broadcom wireless driver, vrms is happy. For me, everything I need/want is in Linux land and I don't enjoy the schizophrenia of dual booting. I did install Windows on an old (2010) laptop with a Windows product key on the bottom. Not for me but I gave it a try. They do seem to have made Powershell useable though, which is quite an achievement.

It is true that not everything is perfect in Linux land, where much of the excellence is subsidised by Microsoft's (almost as evil) commercial competitors. But I do like it. There is no crapware on my Debian, other than that which I have chosen to install smile

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#11 2015-08-10 06:40:58

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Re: Think Multiple Times Before Using or Upgrading to Windows 10

I love linux as much as the next guy.

But I do have to admit that there is a draw to commercial software. I has spit and polish and looks good. You pay for a product and you get support. As an IT admin I love that I can call Dell and have them send a server ninja in 24 hours to completely rebuild a server if need be. Same with a lot of software that local goverments use. Programs such as HDL Business Licensing, Sungard Pentamation, QuickBook Pro, Allworx Vehicle Database, and so on.

With linux - not so much. The programs work, sure. But they aren't pretty. Support is limited to to man pages, google and forums such as this.

If we as *NIX users ever want to see linux as the pre-eminent desktop operating system we have to stop forking. Stop with biajillion and one distro's. Stop arguing over kernel nitpicks. Make the software easy to use for grandma, my mechanic, and my junior technicians. I want someone to answer the phone, or an e-mail in a business like fashion. But that is not the spirit of linux and you know what? That's fine with me. I can hack my way around, I can look stuff up, I can write code and it works just fine for me. But for the masses? No sir. They want their computer to work like any other dumb appliance. Turn it on, book hotels, check facebook, and find porn. For them Windows is what they need and thus, what they will use.

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#12 2015-08-10 07:50:26

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Re: Think Multiple Times Before Using or Upgrading to Windows 10

I'll always need windows for work, but I think I'll stick to win7 for as long as I can.


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#13 2015-08-10 08:17:53

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Re: Think Multiple Times Before Using or Upgrading to Windows 10

Indeed. Linux should not go chasing the great desktop in the sky. Linux serves (ho ho) a certain user base very well. It cannot really serve "the masses" as you call them without adopting the practices of systems that currently cater to them (Windows, OS X, Android). And who would gain from that? Linux only needs to be sustainable. It has no need for popularity. It's like lowering your standards to increase your chances of getting laid. What would be the point? Android has shown what happens when you do.

I recognise that commercial software exists and is useful (professionally etc.). Software freedom is important but good engineering is more important (which is why more people listen to Linus than RMS). I just don't need or want to run anything else but Linux at home. In fact, what finally pushed me to drop OS X was the realisation that skills in it are pretty much worthless. It's swish and convenient but ultimately charmless. Sure, there's software that runs on a Mac (or Windows) that doesn't run on Linux but I can't afford Tableau anyway. There's even commercial software that runs best on Linux/UNIX e.g. Oracle database. I didn't own a home computer between 1989 and 2011, so that whole Windows era is just meaningless to me. Windows = office work.

So each to their own. A couple of days in, I'm already more productive on Debian than I was on OS X + Debian in VM.

PS. The number of Linux distributions is grossly exaggerated. From a technical/learner point of view, Debian and its children are all the same OS. The differences can be learned in one weekend.

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#14 2015-08-10 09:09:36

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Re: Think Multiple Times Before Using or Upgrading to Windows 10

TeoBigusGeekus wrote:

I'll always need windows for work, but I think I'll stick to win7 for as long as I can.

Sadly, this is true for me as well. If I had my way, it wouldn't be required. But if I want toys to play with, food for my kids and lingerie for my wife - I have to pay the bills. Supporting Enterprise Domains does that for now. The thing is, I love my job. I love it very much. I also have to admit that Dell's iDRAC controllers, Windows 2012 and Exchange 2013 are some awesome technologies. But for my use, linux handles 95% of my needs. The other 5% can be handled in a few ways:

1. Remote into a windows workstation from home
2. Fire up my Windows 7 VM
3. Drive to a client site and use a windows workstation

But most of my job is on the server firewall side. For level 1 and level 2 stuff I have a junior admin who goes with me to every site. He can handle all the user junk while I build their network or whatever. Or just play on the web. I've paid my dues on user support, so I don't nor won't handle user requests / problems anymore. Unless of course the exchange server or internet connection drops. Then I will handle it. But for everything else I have my PFY. (BOFH reference).

I sit here at home preparing for yet another work week to start. I'm on my latitude D630 which by today's standards is ancient. But if you look them up, they are wonderfully reliable computers provided you have the Intel GPU and not the Nvidia one. Mine is Intel. It's got a C2D, 4GB of RAM and a 60GB HDD. Outdated to say the least. But it's running Linux Mint 17.1 with KDE4 and zero problems. I get about 4 hours of battery out of this old 9-cell. I love using this laptop almost as much as I love using my T410. I do plan on upgrading the CPU someday and maybe upgrading the RAM. However 8GB of DDR2 SODIMMS is almost $200US. I'd rather spend that on an SSD. The reason for CPU is lower temps. I'm totally happy with it's speed. The best part about this laptop is I got it for free.

If I had to load Windows on it, I would have to purchase a Windows 7 or 8 license and another license for Office. That's $300 I don't want to invest in a free computer. I'd rather take my wife out to a nice dinner and night on the town. Linux breathed new life into this little wonder. I'll keep using it as my backup pc for years to come as long as I can get linux plus some X variant to run on it. I can't say enough about these machines. Very well built, with excellent case strength. Nice portable 14.1" widescreen laptop. I think they are going for around $50 or so now.

I kind of rambled there a bit. But I LOVE this laptop. It would be very hard for me to choose which one to keep if I was only allowed to keep one laptop.

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#15 2015-08-10 22:01:49

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Re: Think Multiple Times Before Using or Upgrading to Windows 10

I wish I had your luck, but in my case it's the other way around: linux could only handle about 5% of my needs (some libreoffice stuff only).
For everything else I have to rely on windows, without any realistic alternative in the unix world.
So, it grieves me to say, but linux is for me something to just play with...
...though it serves quite well my home, entertainment pc...


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#16 2015-08-11 06:29:48

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Re: Think Multiple Times Before Using or Upgrading to Windows 10

A few years ago I was in the same boat.

But most of my work is through RDP sessions, and those are easily handled in linux.

Mayhap your fortunes will change.

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#17 2015-08-11 20:22:51

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Re: Think Multiple Times Before Using or Upgrading to Windows 10

Temetka wrote:

A few years ago I was in the same boat.

But most of my work is through RDP sessions, and those are easily handled in linux.

Mayhap your fortunes will change.

Thanks buddy, fingers crossed...


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#18 2015-08-12 08:04:23

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Re: Think Multiple Times Before Using or Upgrading to Windows 10

I cancelled my reservation for Windows 10 and then removed the Windows 10 Update app.  I'll stick with Windows 8.1 in a VM.  Windows 8.1 really isn't that bad of an OS once you get used to it.

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#19 2015-08-12 09:28:02

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Re: Think Multiple Times Before Using or Upgrading to Windows 10

^haha, I'm still using my old win xp in VBox, anzd don't plan to upgrade any time soon ...  cool


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#20 2015-08-13 08:26:46

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Re: Think Multiple Times Before Using or Upgrading to Windows 10

^ That's probably safe as long as you don't use it for accessing the internet.  I do not access the internet in my VM except for Windows updates and when installing/upgrading an app opens up the browser.  I also have the three browsers I use under Windows sandboxed using Sandboxie.

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#21 2015-08-13 10:36:20

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Re: Think Multiple Times Before Using or Upgrading to Windows 10

^precisely. I use it for certain win specific apps (autocad, sigmaplot, msoffice when required). All internet related stuff I do on bare metal linux.

Sooner or later, win xp will be forgoten and noone will bother to create malware/viruses/whatever for it. Cf. DOS 6.22 or win 3.11 ]:D

'Sandboxie' - didn't know about this ... Definitely a good choice for web pages creators/programmers!


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#22 2015-08-13 16:44:23

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Re: Think Multiple Times Before Using or Upgrading to Windows 10

See this kinda thing and the saying leopard + changing spots immediately jumps to mind. Irony with Micro$oft imo, how does someone make 90 billion dollars a year by continuously coming out with a chittyer n chittyer product(s) ? big_smile

Goes against basic logic, principles of bizness etc but there you have it.

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#23 2015-08-13 19:40:57

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Re: Think Multiple Times Before Using or Upgrading to Windows 10

Just updated my work mac to yosemite (home one has yosemite on one and captain on another partition), it was quite painfully actually, due to large amount of "non-standard" components (wacom, aja, 3rd party SAN, and so on..., seems to be working now).

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#24 2015-08-14 06:27:28

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Re: Think Multiple Times Before Using or Upgrading to Windows 10


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#25 2015-08-14 14:05:37

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Re: Think Multiple Times Before Using or Upgrading to Windows 10

lol  lol YUP, that about covers it!


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