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#1851 2014-05-27 03:58:04

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Re: Ideas for Janice

Sector11 wrote:
anonymous wrote:

But would people actually read it or just skip straight to posting on a forum? wink

BINGO!  My first thought as well.  I think maybe in the cb-welcome it would be a great addition.

Those that know what it is/represents and will read it will get it.

New users to Linux that like to read will get it, new users that don't like reading or don't know have the opportunity to get it easily.

Mind you is a simple apt-get away.  big_smile

At the top of the Openbox right-click menu:

Local Offline Support - DON'T PANIC

Linked to one of the friendlier sections of the Handbook. wink

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#1852 2014-05-27 04:24:40

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Re: Ideas for Janice

^nice

Let's not forget the poor people with no spare computer at hand if network access doesn't work out.  yikes

and +1 for this:

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#1853 2014-05-27 07:55:42

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Re: Ideas for Janice

Also, I think it is a better idea to include the PDF of the Handbook, rather than the HTML files in the .deb package.  The PDF is easier to search and navigate (my humble opinion).  Not sure where the best place to include that would be though...don't want it in /etc/skel, because that would add 30MB per user account to /home.

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#1854 2014-05-27 09:00:03

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Re: Ideas for Janice

I would simply put link to the Debian handbook in Iceweasel browser (or into right-click menu). This way, user will be aware of its existence, and can decide if (s)he prefers PDF, web or local html.

(Personally, I prefer html, since you can easily open several paragraphs in the book simultaneously, while with PDF it is a bit less 'natural' concept, at least with evince. Not to mention 'back' button in PDF readers ...)


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#1855 2014-05-27 16:26:18

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I think the bookmarks toolbar would be a great place for that, since that toolbar is active in the #! default setup.

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#1856 2014-05-27 19:05:22

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Re: Ideas for Janice

pvsage wrote:

At the top of the Openbox right-click menu:

Local Offline Support - DON'T PANIC

Linked to one of the friendlier sections of the Handbook. wink

Hahahahahahahaha  I LIKE IT!!!!
Or a slight change - for Douglas Adams fans:

HHGTCB - DON'T PANIC

or for Distro Hoppers:

DHGTCB - DON'T PANIC


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#1857 2014-05-27 19:23:18

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Re: Ideas for Janice

Sector11 wrote:
pvsage wrote:

At the top of the Openbox right-click menu:

Local Offline Support - DON'T PANIC

Linked to one of the friendlier sections of the Handbook. wink

Hahahahahahahaha  I LIKE IT!!!!
Or a slight change - for Douglas Adams fans:

HHGTCB - DON'T PANIC

or for Distro Hoppers:

DHGTCB - DON'T PANIC

EDIT:  Now what I see more talk on this I think it would be a great addition to the ISO to be read off line and with a link in the "Tool Bar" or as pvsage pointed out a link in OB Menu.

How many times do we see new users pop in

My WiFi isn't working.  How do I get it connected?

Or consider laptop outside the "signal zone" (after all they are portable) ... it would always be there!  big_smile

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#1858 2014-05-27 20:02:19

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Re: Ideas for Janice

Sector11 wrote:

How many times do we see new users pop in

My WiFi isn't working.  How do I get it connected?

Or consider laptop outside the "signal zone" (after all they are portable) ... it would always be there!  big_smile

And how likely is it that they would use it if they aren't even going to read a forum sticky called "Information to provide in case of wireless problems. ", which is the very first one in the Help'n'Support forum they are posting in? (Which, of course, doesn't mean it isn't a good suggestion wink )


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#1859 2014-05-27 20:55:29

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Re: Ideas for Janice

Another idea:  instead of the #! Google search page, have a local start page with the local copy of the Handbook as a prominent link, again in large, friendly letters.  This page could still have a Google search field on it of course.

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#1860 2014-05-27 22:09:31

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Re: Ideas for Janice

There is always going to be people that won't read it, don't search the forums, and ask the same questions that have been asked countless times.  God knows, I was one of them when I first arrived in Linuxlandia, and some of my questions today probably still fit that scenario.  But that would be because of wording my searches wrongly and not finding what I wanted.  At least I try today.

Good example:
http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=34840
The opening post and the 5th post.  big_smile

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#1861 2014-05-27 23:32:12

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Re: Ideas for Janice

Sector11 wrote:
pvsage wrote:

At the top of the Openbox right-click menu:

Local Offline Support - DON'T PANIC

Linked to one of the friendlier sections of the Handbook. wink

Hahahahahahahaha  I LIKE IT!!!!
Or a slight change - for Douglas Adams fans:

HHGTCB - DON'T PANIC

or for Distro Hoppers:

DHGTCB - DON'T PANIC

I've just added a "Don't Panic" button to my menu big_smile Now, anyone know the path to the default PDF viewer?


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#1862 2014-05-27 23:46:08

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Re: Ideas for Janice

Why do you need the path? Can't you just call the executable name and the path for the file? Something like

epdfview /home/user/Documents/whatever.pdf

If the Openbox menu doesn't like it, maybe put the command into a bash script and then point the menu to that.

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#1863 2014-05-27 23:50:42

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Re: Ideas for Janice

^ Yep. OB was giving me fits about the file name "Debian Administrator's Handbook," even when entered with the \ placed appropriately before spaces. Turns out it just didn't like the apostrophe tongue Cutting that out, it now works fine.


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#1864 2014-05-28 02:00:12

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Re: Ideas for Janice

 27 May 14 | 22:54:11 ~
    $ aptitude search epdfview
                                         
 27 May 14 | 22:54:44 ~
    $ 

What am I missing? sad

https://packages.debian.org/unstable/al … mat=txt.gz

eom-dev (1.8.0+dfsg1-2) Eye of MATE graphics viewer program (development files)
eot-utils (1.1-1) Tools to convert from OTF or TTF to EOT font format
eot2ttf (0.01-2) utility to convert Embedded OpenType fonts to TrueType
epdfview (0.1.8-3) [debports] Lightweight pdf viewer based on poppler libs
eperl (2.2.14-21 [alpha, amd64, arm64, armel, armhf, hppa, hurd-i386, i386, kfreebsd-amd64, kfreebsd-i386, m68k, mips, mipsel, powerpc, ppc64, s390x, sh4, sparc, sparc64], 2.2.14-20+b1 [powerpcspe, x32]) Embedded Perl 5 Language
epic4 (1:2.10.2-1+b1 [alpha, amd64, armel, armhf, hurd-i386, i386, kfreebsd-amd64, kfreebsd-i386, mips, mipsel, powerpc, powerpcspe, ppc64, s390x, sh4, sparc, x32], 1:2.10.2-1 [arm64, hppa, m68k, sparc64]) epic irc client, version 4
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#1865 2014-05-28 02:10:59

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Re: Ideas for Janice

Are you using Unstable? It looks like epdfview is only available for the m68k architecture. You can try grabbing it from Testing though.

BTW I have no idea what PDF viewer #! uses. I only mentioned epdfview to give an example.

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#1866 2014-05-28 02:52:57

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Re: Ideas for Janice

anonymous wrote:

Are you using Unstable? It looks like epdfview is only available for the m68k architecture. You can try grabbing it from Testing though.

BTW I have no idea what PDF viewer #! uses. I only mentioned epdfview to give an example.

Evince?


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#1867 2014-05-28 03:02:55

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Re: Ideas for Janice

anonymous wrote:

Are you using Unstable? It looks like epdfview is only available for the m68k architecture. You can try grabbing it from Testing though.

BTW I have no idea what PDF viewer #! uses. I only mentioned epdfview to give an example.

Hi anonymous ...  Yes Debian SID.

I'm not sure, maybe evince?  I have that but don't like it much. I honestly can remember.  sad

But one would think epdfview would show in a search:

aptitude search epdfview

since it is in the list shown above.

- it doesn't exist in 'testing' at all - it is in stable and works in SID as well (I just got it).

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#1868 2014-05-28 03:04:28

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Re: Ideas for Janice

#!_828 wrote:

^ Yep. OB was giving me fits about the file name "Debian Administrator's Handbook," even when entered with the \ placed appropriately before spaces. Turns out it just didn't like the apostrophe tongue Cutting that out, it now works fine.

It's an xml file - the apostrophe can be replaced with &apos; and it should work. You can also quote a file path with spaces if you surround it with &quot; (in place of ").


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#1869 2014-05-28 03:06:42

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Re: Ideas for Janice

Sector11 wrote:

But one would think epdfview would show in a search:

aptitude search epdfview

since it is in the list shown above.

That command seems to list all repos and all architectures. There was no i386/AMD64 version so you cannot install it.

Sector11 wrote:

- it doesn't exist in 'testing' at all - it is in stable and works in SID as well (I just got it).

My bad. I keep forgetting that Debian has an oldstable branch. I am so used to seeing Stable, Testing, Unstable, and sometimes Experimental.

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#1870 2014-05-28 03:16:39

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Re: Ideas for Janice

anonymous wrote:
Sector11 wrote:

But one would think epdfview would show in a search:

aptitude search epdfview

since it is in the list shown above.

That command seems to list all repos and all architectures. There was no i386/AMD64 version so you cannot install it.

OK, that makes sense and also explains why it doesn't show in the search.  smile

anonymous wrote:
Sector11 wrote:

- it doesn't exist in 'testing' at all - it is in stable and works in SID as well (I just got it).

My bad. I keep forgetting that Debian has an oldstable branch. I am so used to seeing Stable, Testing, Unstable, and sometimes Experimental.

No not your bad at all, you got me searching and trying to find answers, that's your good.  big_smile
So I popped epdview (from stable) into SID and put it on hold   big_smile

One more Thank You for old times sake ... and THAT feels good.  wink

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#1871 2014-05-28 03:20:07

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Re: Ideas for Janice

johnraff wrote:
#!_828 wrote:

^ Yep. OB was giving me fits about the file name "Debian Administrator's Handbook," even when entered with the \ placed appropriately before spaces. Turns out it just didn't like the apostrophe tongue Cutting that out, it now works fine.

It's an xml file - the apostrophe can be replaced with &apos; and it should work. You can also quote a file path with spaces if you surround it with &quot; (in place of ").

I hate spaces in names, I rename them to have an underscore or dash and the ''s I simply remove.

debian-handbook.pdf works perfect!  big_smile


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#1872 2014-06-01 19:34:31

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Re: Ideas for Janice

Hey Guys! not sure if you have this within your list already, but could you add Locate and mc by default?
Thanks!

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#1873 2014-06-01 19:42:45

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Re: Ideas for Janice

al34n1x wrote:

Hey Guys! not sure if you have this within your list already, but could you add Locate and mc by default?
Thanks!

I've always thought it odd that mlocate isn't there by default, since it can be used by catfish. It is one of the first things in my post-install script.


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#1874 2014-06-02 04:11:26

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+1 for mlocate.

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#1875 2014-06-02 04:59:08

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+l for ocmate


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