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#1 2013-06-11 03:03:33

KrunchTime
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NSA Scandal Reveals Google Is Not Really Like Linux and Never Was

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#2 2013-06-11 04:47:59

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#3 2013-06-11 07:57:28

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Re: NSA Scandal Reveals Google Is Not Really Like Linux and Never Was

So, what is the answer? (I'm not really expecting an answer) I am using Google Chrome on #!, and other distros because it syncs so easily. Do I dump it? I use YouTube because it carries a lot of useful video demos for many subjects. Do I just not log in any more? I keep a Windows partition for i-Tunes. Do I get rid of the i-Pod and wipe Windows?
Seems we are at risk already, it might be too late......what's that noise, where's my foil hat?
Seriously though, I wonder what the solution is, use pure Debian? Even they have Chromium in the repos, and yes, I use Chromium on Debian too. I suppose some inconvenience might be worthwhile in the long term.
How did we ever get by without the internet?

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#4 2013-06-11 08:13:06

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#5 2013-06-11 08:35:26

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#6 2013-06-11 10:03:59

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#7 2013-06-11 13:35:59

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#8 2013-06-11 13:44:54

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Point & Squirt

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#9 2013-06-11 14:32:40

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Re: NSA Scandal Reveals Google Is Not Really Like Linux and Never Was

scandal reveals google is not like linux. ubuntu software is proprietary. ooooohkaaaayyyyy...

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#10 2013-06-11 14:43:20

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#11 2013-06-11 14:45:01

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#12 2013-06-11 16:26:18

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#13 2013-06-11 17:07:46

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Re: NSA Scandal Reveals Google Is Not Really Like Linux and Never Was

Kind of off-topic, but I asked this elsewhere and got mixed answers. Does PRISM affect me, as a non-american?


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#14 2013-06-11 17:21:33

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Re: NSA Scandal Reveals Google Is Not Really Like Linux and Never Was

According to the NSA (and you know how much you can trust them roll ), if you call anyone in the US or your phone traffic goes through any US server/service, PRISM is mostly interested in non-Americans such as you. neutral

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#15 2013-06-11 17:53:44

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Re: NSA Scandal Reveals Google Is Not Really Like Linux and Never Was

Just out of interest, why did Google use Linux rather than BSD as a base?

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#16 2013-06-12 06:53:02

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#17 2013-06-12 07:12:32

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#18 2013-06-12 07:17:48

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#19 2013-06-12 07:21:38

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#20 2013-06-12 07:32:29

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#21 2013-06-12 07:45:57

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#22 2013-06-12 08:06:39

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#23 2013-06-12 08:46:47

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#24 2013-06-12 09:12:47

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Re: NSA Scandal Reveals Google Is Not Really Like Linux and Never Was

@lxle:  Thank you for expounding on your blog post here; I always consider the original blogger's voice important in any discussion of this nature, and yours is particularly welcome here in our little forum.  Thanks for chiming in!

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#25 2013-06-12 09:27:08

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@lxle, I would first like to echo pvsage.  It's good to have a chance to clarify points with you.

I guess that my main complaint is mainly with the grouping of the FSF (which is a group) and opensource (which is a method more than an organization).  I understand that it's "out of respect," but something can be opensource without even coming close to meeting the standards for freedom that the FSF puts into place.

"Parts" of Google's operation is opensourced, but much of it is what would be called "trade secrets."

On September 25th of 2009, one of the Android community’s most prominent ‘modders,’ Steve Kondik, received a Cease and Desist letter from Google.  Steve Kondik had been distributing a ROM called Cyanogen, which was built from the Android framework.  The problem lay not in that Kondik was distributing Android, which was open source, but that he was distributing Google’s core, but proprietary, apps, Gmail, Google Maps, etc.  These apps were part of the “Google Experience” phones and were licensed through the phone manufacturers.  Therefore, while Cyanogen could be continued to be developed and distributed, Google’s apps would need to be removed and anyone who installed Cyanogen would be left without them.  That kind of control over proprietary software violates every idea that the FSF has every spouted.

Your article reads as though Google==Open Source==Free Software, and that's just not the case.

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