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#1 2013-04-08 16:52:58

Pierce Randall
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When is testing more stable than stable (if ever)?

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Be excellent to each other!

#2 2013-04-08 17:00:55

xaos52
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Re: When is testing more stable than stable (if ever)?

The hidden variable 'unknown bugs in unstable' makes it impossible  to answer your question.

If you have to maintain a server
then
      go for stable because you know it will have long term support and security patches
else
      whatever you prefer and can handle.

Last edited by xaos52 (2013-04-08 17:01:36)

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#3 2013-04-08 17:02:16

Floi
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Re: When is testing more stable than stable (if ever)?

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#4 2013-04-09 00:16:41

Pierce Randall
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Re: When is testing more stable than stable (if ever)?

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#5 2013-04-09 00:22:45

dura
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Re: When is testing more stable than stable (if ever)?

Are you talking semantically or in practice?

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#6 2013-04-09 00:44:32

VastOne
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Re: When is testing more stable than stable (if ever)?

It is always intriguing to me, who runs SID all the time to see so much discussion about bugs in testing when I never see anything close to a crash in the supposedly 'unstable' side of Debian

And yes, I do run it on Servers.  When you know what you are doing and have the proper tools, it really is not a major science project to be successful

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#7 2013-04-09 00:58:45

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Re: When is testing more stable than stable (if ever)?

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#8 2013-04-09 01:05:38

VastOne
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Re: When is testing more stable than stable (if ever)?

^ I never said it was stable...

I said it can be managed with the right tools and know how.  Making stable/unstable all in the eyes of the beholder

love the Bruce Lee though

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#9 2013-04-09 05:01:55

DebianJoe
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Re: When is testing more stable than stable (if ever)?

Debian's naming system causes a bias against the reality of volatility.  A much better system would be:
Stable=Enterprise/Corporate (when it costs you money when things don't "just werk.")
Wheezy=Personal use for Mom.
Sid=Fun, and Filled with awesomeness.
Exp= Debian Edu, you'll get better here. big_smile

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#10 2013-04-09 05:05:13

VastOne
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Re: When is testing more stable than stable (if ever)?

^ Thats about the best analogy of Debians ridiculous naming conventions as I have heard... Well done

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#11 2013-04-09 06:25:18

zalew
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Re: When is testing more stable than stable (if ever)?

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#12 2013-04-09 07:05:08

pvsage
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Re: When is testing more stable than stable (if ever)?

Perhaps it is time for another discussion on the meaning of the term "stable" as it is used in Debian?

Stable simply means "resistant to change"; a diamond is more stable than a lump of anthracite.  (Damn, I spelled that right on the first try - how nerdy am ? yikes )  Testing means "what makes the grade makes it into the next release"; if a particular package can't be made release-ready during the freeze shakedown (glares at minitube), it fails the "test" and is dropped.  Unstable is the opposite of stable; it is prone to frequent change...just like water in the classic Bruce Lee quote.

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#13 2013-04-09 19:45:17

vic
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Re: When is testing more stable than stable (if ever)?

this is the most recurring thread topic here @ the forums, it deserves a mega thread, if not a sticky smile


Time to move on!#

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#14 2013-04-10 03:14:03

sunfizz98
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Registered: 2011-05-12
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Re: When is testing more stable than stable (if ever)?

@vastone
Wouldn't running a server on sid just require more frequent updates? I'm sure it would be "safer" than the debian squeeze server, but not recommended for the forgetful.

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#15 2013-04-10 05:35:11

zalew
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Re: When is testing more stable than stable (if ever)?

Last edited by zalew (2013-04-10 05:37:18)

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#16 2013-04-10 12:51:05

VastOne
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Re: When is testing more stable than stable (if ever)?

^ True... Although, it could be said that once a sid based server is setup and working correctly, it would never need to be updated (in theory)

Not meant to be an argumentative statement... I have just seen several production stable based environments left in a corner and not touched for 4 years ...

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