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#26 2013-03-29 21:29:34

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#27 2013-03-29 21:55:12

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#28 2013-03-29 22:10:27

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#29 2013-03-29 22:31:39

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I wouldn't worry so much about the government institutions and le, it's a great paranoia-booster, but if that makes anybody sleep better or worse, they got it figured out pretty well already. stasi was more advanced in doxing (for their time) than any evilesque corp of today. not to mention attributes, some of which were already mentioned before in this topic, such as access to income, healthcare, gas, power usage, cctv, etc.

they want real time access to email? how's that different from real time access to phone they had for decades? a century ago they were sitting in the woods with a binocular, 50 years later they were installing wire-taps, now they already have access to your isp logs and possibilities of mtm'ing you, but want to wire-tap the parts that are encrypted but have an accessible end-point. they are just keeping up with the times with their measures, but that's not necessarily anything new or creepier than before, it's just the tools that have changed. even recently there were scandals with illegal/unreasonable wire-tapping of phones, all of them in democratic countries.

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#30 2013-03-29 22:44:42

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#31 2013-03-29 23:21:51

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#32 2013-03-29 23:36:36

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#33 2013-03-30 00:09:27

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#34 2013-03-30 00:37:09

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#35 2013-03-30 00:48:17

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could you elaborate on 'the left' or post me some links? the only thing I know is that due the ddr/brd times, raf etc., you got a far left wing party delegalized and there came up traces of commies being active in the parliament, but I'm not sure what you are referring to here - is it something connected to this case?

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#36 2013-03-30 01:11:21

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#37 2013-03-30 02:22:04

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cool, it's an interesting read. although I've learned some german, currently is not far more than ein bier bitte, so I'm sol or at the mercy of gtranslate. you know, due to our partly shared post-war history, you can imagine there has been a lot of commie witch-hunt around here too, so while I may not understand the specifics of German politics - I get the general point. on the topic of surveillance, 2 years ago it went public that various agencies got about 70k wire-taps a year here, and as it turned out the regulations were quite open about giving away warrants, it was a bit restricted since then though (sadly I believe not *too* restricted).

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#38 2013-03-30 02:46:16

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#39 2013-03-30 03:16:40

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a good idea in when you're here is not to say 'danzig' for gdańsk big_smile cool you visited it, I didn't lol, but haven't been there for years, maybe next time.

>I don't know that much about how the polish dealt with their history
long story short: constantly dealing, most often in a very shitty way. I believe you dealt with it better and faster, like with most stuff, lol. the commie card gets pulled out like every other day in here.
yeah, the right wing is quite strong here, even in the liberal center; and our left mostly just sucks. not sure it's a topic for this forum though smile

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#40 2013-03-30 03:43:46

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#41 2013-03-30 06:49:35

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#42 2013-03-30 10:55:38

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#43 2013-03-30 11:07:27

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#44 2013-03-30 12:10:31

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#45 2013-03-30 17:18:14

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#46 2013-03-30 19:32:16

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#47 2013-03-30 20:15:07

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#48 2013-03-31 01:40:37

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#49 2013-03-31 14:24:48

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#50 2013-03-31 17:31:55

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